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Old October 13th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Moderator note. The above message was deleted by another moderator due to vendor self-promotion. However, I have restored/undeleted it after I reviewed it, not because it isn't self promotion (it is) but because of the context of the situation.




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LOL... well, hmm. Now the poster @BTTFT Michael himself has decided to delete the message.

Sorry if it is confusing to follow, but the chain of events:

a) @BTTFT Michael posted a response to someone that contained some promotional text
b) Another moderator deleted it for self-promotion
c) I reviewed it, and undeleted it, citing the context of the situation as reason for his response
d) @BTTFT Michael deleted it after I undeleted it

Is it Friday yet?



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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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RE: Sniper Scalping

Last post -

I sent Big Mike a private message to correct the post- namely a statement that Jack made regarding hearing that my company, BackToThefutureTrading, had bought SniperScalping from Andy Carlsen. This statement is, and always was materially untrue. Jack made a false public statement on this forum. Despite my having asked Jack to correct his statement, and asking Mike to intervene on his website regarding Jack having made a false defaming statement on his forum, we're back again.

Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

SS and BTTFT like every other trading tools company had an informal cross-promotional partnership. We would present our tools and methods to SS, and SS would promote their tools and methods to our customers. Usually once or twice a year. I've not disputed that - nor will I ever. It happened. Of course there are screenshots that show that.

We always had BTTFT customers that owned both pieces of software. We had customers that were happy with SS indicators. We never had any knowledge of SS's improper practices for the years leading up to our cross promotions.

And then for years, we had no cross-promotional events. No contact whatsoever, in fact. I used to cross market with only other other company, Steve Griffith's of MTPredictor, and we hadn't had any cross-promotional events with him, for years as well. Then, as your screenshots clearly show, something changed.

I was approached by Andy after years of no contact. He informed me that he was tired of sales, and getting out of that end of the business. He noted that we didn't have any price action based indicators, and wondered if I wouldn't assume the sales and marketing of his company and his software, Sniper Scalping.

We sent out the emails that you see. We still had only heard from the customers that we knew were doing okay using his tools, and proceeded in good faith to promote the SS indicators. A few months into the endeavor however, things fell apart. No one was coming to the webinars. Customers who needed tech support were unable to reach Andy and were being redirected to the SS programmer, Pablo. We were unable to contact Andy readily as well, and the whole thing stank to high heaven. So we shut it down.

It's apparent now, looking back, that he was probably being investigated at the time he attempted to pass his piece of shit along to us. That's a fantastic realization, if you think about it. To be associated with something or someone whose practices you are diametrically opposed to...who did the things you've avoided doing for nearly 10 years in your own business - and to have been that close to it, is a fail of epic proportions.

But to say you heard we "bought" SS, was, and is a lie. Or at the very least, hearsay, which isn't right. Members of this forum should be responsible when they post something like that. Jack hasn't been held to task, so here I am fumbling around again spending hours trying to explain and defend myself....again.

You now know everything about my involvement with SS. Jack's one post has already had a measurable effect on our company. In spite of that, I gave Jack a chance to experience us wholesale at no cost - warts and all - for as long as he wanted, and come back to you - as an Elite member and share his experiences to show that none of the things I was accused of (live trading for example) weren't happening in any of our classes, or webinars.. That's not self-promotion. It's defending your reputation and the integrity of the 5 families you represent against an untrue statement. Anyone here would do it. (Jack never contacted me btw. Maybe someone else will).

You now know everything I know, and did, and am doing. If I offended anyone in the execution of the defense, I apologize. We are not enemies, however. I've spent almost a decade doing this, as above board and with as much integrity as I know how to as a flawed human being. I've always ever done my best, and not taken any shortcuts.

I respect this forum, and it's members. I apologize again, as this will be my last post ever on this site. I wish you all prosperity, health, and good fortune on your journeys as traders.

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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

I stopped reading after this.

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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Last post -

I sent Big Mike a private message to correct the post- namely a statement that Jack made regarding hearing that my company, BackToThefutureTrading, had bought SniperScalping from Andy Carlsen. This statement is, and always was materially untrue. Jack made a false public statement on this forum. Despite my having asked Jack to correct his statement, and asking Mike to intervene on his website regarding Jack having made a false defaming statement on his forum, we're back again.

I believe you are referring to this:


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I believe the guys at backtothefuturetrading bought it.


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That's right! I hadn't recalled that, but that does sound right. And oh-so-apropos, if I might add.

I am not an attorney. But it seems to me as though in both cases, it is a matter of opinion and not a statement of fact.

You then replied:


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Thanks for the "oh so-apra-po" comment, but we didn't buy Sniper Scalping.

We have absolutely zero affiliation with them.

When you say "we have absolutely zero affiliation with them", in my opinion that is confusing since you did in fact have affiliation with them, as was later demonstrated in the thread.

In your last post:


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Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

In my opinion, your second statement contradicts the first. Obviously it is subtle. I'm not an attorney, but I do think it is easy to see that anyone could reasonably associate your two companies. I think confusion can also arise when terms like "take over" are used when describing taking over part of their business as your own (a comment you made to me).

Feel free to have your attorney contact my attorney, so they can decide as legal experts, and appropriate action will of course be taken immediately. You can also contact the poster directly and ask them to edit their own post.

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Old October 13th, 2016, 05:00 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I stopped reading after this.

Exactly. As I said before, a losing proposition.

Just like getting Michael to stump up verifiable trading statements to validate the profitability of his software.

He can't and won't do this, but he'll take the conversation around the block a few times and by time you get back to the original topic, you forget what the original question was.

I think there is enough evidence out there for people to form their own conclusion about Michael's postings.

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Old October 13th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I think I may have inadvertently started something here I didn't mean to and wanted to offer an apology if I broke forum rules.

For clarity sake, I have personally spoken to and done business with Michael at BTTF, and Jerry at AWT and believe both to be good people. I do not know Andy. As for ATW or Sniper Scalping's advertising practices, that is beyond the scope of this post or my concerns.

In my original post I was simply tying to point MarkG in the right direction to find the software he was in search of and never thought for a second my post would have started all of this.

In the future I will be more careful with my wording as to not start trouble or state things I do not know to be facts. I simply know at a point in the not too distant past BTTF has something to do with SSS and Jerry told me Andy was out of the business so I made an incorrect assumption.

Sorry for the confusion and trouble!

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Old October 13th, 2016, 05:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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...wanted to offer an apology if I broke forum rules.

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Sorry for the confusion and trouble!

Hi, I do not believe you broke any rules.

If you wish to edit or delete your post, you can do so or you can contact me privately if the edit period has elapsed.

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Old October 13th, 2016, 05:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Thanks Big Mike! I'll contact Michael this evening and will edit the post if he wants me to but in the grand scheme of things changing it now may alter the entire context of what occurred after it for those reading it in the future as the post directly after it started this all off.

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Old October 23rd, 2016, 04:28 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Andy Carlson, new venture

AC apparently has a new venture: "One Good Idea", delivered each month, for $29.99 per month. See attached GIFs from recorded presentation. According to the slides, the program is "SUPPER POWERFUL!!!" (GIF 8).


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