I also believe DB @OrderFlowAnalytics to be a stand up guy. As for the "replicas" I will say only that those with the means (highly advanced programming) usually like to "tinker", which is not often possible with a closed source commercial product. And I think it is great that those individuals share their work on the forum with others.
That said, they don't represent the majority of people who simply want a turn-key workable solution, and even more importantly -- one that is supported. I don't believe the "replicas" to fall into that category and would always recommend that people purchase a product if they deem that product to be of value.
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Trading isn't easy for anyone. And ignorance is amazingly pervasive in the trading industry. People say all kinds of things that have utterly no basis in fact. Which is one of the reasons why trading is so challenging and why learning something really useful is a tough task. There's a lot of noise.
OrderflowAnalytics makes a product that gives a trader the truth. As with all genuine truths, it's difficult to sort out the facts from the noise. But that doesn't take anything away from the value of the truth. If you do not understand the bid/ask relationship, then you are an indicator junkie. Good luck with that.
If you understand the bid/ask relationship, then you recognize immediately the value of what OFA has to offer. It is no more complicated that that. So if you find yourself mouthing off about OFA, check your understanding of how the market really works. Check out what is the relationship between the bid and the ask over a spread of price points. Watch it. Over time. See if you don't learn something.
From personal experience, I have made so much money from OFA products that it is embarrassing. And humbling. Here is an outfit that knows what it's doing from the top of the market to the bottom and all of what I've read here is a huge amount of whining and complaining that collectively is the cry of a child. Learn the market. Watch, listen and have patience with real and authentic truth and you will feel like a moron for some of the things you've had to say about OFA. If you don't feel like a moron once you learn some of the truth about the market, the other possibility is that you ARE a moron.
Trading is an unforgiving enterprise. It is made all the more difficult by the noise and ignorance that surrounds it. Those who subscribe to the noise and the ignorance are the lawful prey of those who do not. Unhappily, that is the simple truth of the the trading venue. Take your pick, you are either predator or prey, end of story.
Well said My Friend.
OFA IS one of the very few products along with Jigsaw's that actually works and gets the job done blindingly well.
If you want to make money in this game, then you MUST know how to use these tools inside out. Ignore ONE thing and the market will have an habit of finding your weakness and exploiting it!!
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You know, you're probably right. There are better ways I could have said what I did. I can sometimes be more colorful in my descriptions and personal expressions than I intend. Thanks for setting me straight.
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I have been trading a while and have my share of stories typical to all roaming traders in search for a methodology that works. I have been in the Stock markets, Options and other derivatives, as well as Futures. Through this journey I engaged with many "teachers and coaches," as well as two handfuls of software. All this to say, as we all eventually find out, there is no "holy grail" to trading. Trading is hard work, like digging ditches; For trading, you have to put, not only your back to it, but also all of your brain. So, to do this, you need to know, not only that you have a good back, you also need to know your brain. Know how you will react to fear. Most of the methods I studied would tell me something, and when I looked back they looked awesome, but in the trade, they would leave my mind storming with "hope," mostly due to their lag. fear was king.
My journey led to study Market Profile, particularly with the ES (highly liquid). I became a student of this methodology and went through some coaches and "trading rooms" using this approach. I became interested in "Footprint" charts because they give you a way to see the order flow within the candles. The basic revelation of all that was: The market at its most basic is, an auction. An auction driven by Market Order Volume and the sentiment of those involved.
Based on all of the above, for me, it was obvious when I saw a presentation by DB Vaello on Order Flow Analysis, that it had value. I saw a chart where the candles (similar to Point and Figure charts) would limit themselves based on what the "local" auction was doing. These "candles" were not driven by "time" (time does not move the market); they were not moved by a user pre-defined setting (ticks, volume, etc.), they were driven by the order flow. I bought into this. DB promised he was just getting started with innovation, this product would continually be updated and improved.
True to that promise, with this new development of the Volume Profile Analysis tool, OFA has now created a tool that, integrated with the OFA probe and rotation auction periods builds a powerful "Volume-Centric" methodology for trading. I saw a lot of value in this and took Mark Stone's boot-camp with some trepidation. In previous occasions, I have paid 5 times more for a tenth of the knowledge return I got. Now, I am glad I did this. Not only because this is an "approach I believe in," but because Mark gave us everything he practices in an honest and transparent way. This is no green and red lights system, nor an oversold/overbought system of indicators, is not even a system. It is a methodology for trading that uses the trader as the brains behind the decision making. This does mean that you need to become a trading ditch digger and KNOW what you are looking at.
This is it for me, I have my answer. I hope all of you find yours. Avoid the herd mentality and make your own decisions on what you want to be when you grow up as a trader but most of all have the conviction of your beliefs, so you can follow through with you local decisions when you place a trade, and stay objective managing your risk.
I am in a good place now.
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Nicely written here.
I have the OFA includes all plugins indicators, after more than a year still really hard for me to get used to the software.
I tried the volume leddar metro v 2 is much more convenient, but both programs lack one important thing is the pull-back bar
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