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Old June 26th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #51 (permalink)
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hey Pete, don't know if this was answered already before. will our existing Jigsaw Trading tools be compatible with the new Ninja Trader 8? Thanks.

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Old June 27th, 2014, 03:56 AM   #52 (permalink)
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The sell off yesterday after the US opening, was this visible somehow in the order flow? Is there in situation like this a kind of "announcement" in the order book visible or recognizable? Probably during the sell off, but before it happens "signs" would be exciting....Thanks!

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Old June 28th, 2014, 03:36 AM   #53 (permalink)
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@ DionysusToast

The sell off yesterday after the US opening, was this visible somehow in the order flow? Is there in situation like this a kind of "announcement" in the order book visible or recognizable? Probably during the sell off, but before it happens "signs" would be exciting....Thanks!

This is an excellent question for DT Pete. I too am looking deeply into this exact issue and have videoed the Market Replay of that sell-off, along with several other similar events recently (would be better live of course). Seems algos are employing shock tactics to throw us 'slow humans' off long enough to get price down before us 'humans' are sucked in to sell into the same algos buying contracts back! With the Jigsaw tools we ought to be in much earlier.

My focus has been on looking at the momentum on the D&S as noted by DT Pete in his webinars, but that can be so wild and intimidating. Now taking a closer look at the Summary tape which shows incredible bursts of activity at each price level that can easily be missed or misinterpreted on the D&S.

Look forward to DT Pete's comment on this topic. Gonna be crucial going forward I feel. And once we nail what is happening it will no doubt change.

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Old June 28th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #54 (permalink)
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@ DionysusToast

The sell off yesterday after the US opening, was this visible somehow in the order flow? Is there in situation like this a kind of "announcement" in the order book visible or recognizable? Probably during the sell off, but before it happens "signs" would be exciting....Thanks!

Your question sounds a bit like can we predict such a reaction ahead of time? The best you can do is to form an appreciation of the situation along these lines (dts-pre-market-prep) and try to seize an opportunity when it presents itself around key areas. As can be seen in the commentary, the old breakout point at 1947.50 was a key area.

Here was my analysis of the situation. The location of supply along with the bearish channel was favoring a short at the open. I don't think you can do much more than that in terms of expectation given the context.

P.S. this chart shows the PA of the ES but using a CFD contract so the levels may differ a little bit but the overall picture is about the same.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:16 AM   #55 (permalink)
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... ...Here was my analysis of the situation. The location of supply along with the bearish channel was favoring a short at the open. I don't think you can do much more than that in terms of expectation given the context....

Good points and you are right to say we must keep our eye on the overall market profile and other clues. From pure price action the opening last Thursday was certainly a swing sell based on Wednesday's closing action (wedge top).

But original query is still valid in that how do we best use order flow to validate high momentum breakouts as these can happen, and have been recently, at any time of day. Order flow is short term, sure, but do the Jigsaw tools show when we should be joining a breakout rather than waiting too long. Holy grail stuff perhaps but worth asking DT how he handles these flash events. Especially at the open when many big orders being placed may have no relation to profile or PA.

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Old June 29th, 2014, 05:34 AM   #56 (permalink)
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But original query is still valid in that how do we best use order flow to validate high momentum breakouts as these can happen, and have been recently, at any time of day. Order flow is short term, sure, but do the Jigsaw tools show when we should be joining a breakout rather than waiting too long. Holy grail stuff perhaps but worth asking DT how he handles these flash events. Especially at the open when many big orders being placed may have no relation to profile or PA.

in addition to this a quote from jigsaws page:

"The bottom line is this: A change in order flow comes BEFORE a change in price."

It would be nice if one could see this i.e. at the mentioned situation or should i bring it to the point: are the jigsaw tools another interesting instrument, which show "only", what should i have done in hindsight? (i admit im still working through all the videos and essays, so im not completly informed...sorry for my early question about this)

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@ DionysusToast

The sell off yesterday after the US opening, was this visible somehow in the order flow? Is there in situation like this a kind of "announcement" in the order book visible or recognizable? Probably during the sell off, but before it happens "signs" would be exciting....Thanks!

I don't use JigSaw Tools but you can see from the charts below the trend was in before the open.
It was very evident from the orderflow/tape that sellers were in control of the direction.

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Old June 30th, 2014, 02:49 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Hi Pete,

I just purchased the jigsaw tools, but i have been eyeing them for quite sometime. I had a quick question for you. I am currently using the S5 trader (oec trader) along with Jigsaw. But i am trying to find a way to get the volume profile on jigsaw to reset at the start of the trading session, that is 9:30 AM EST. I have the option checked "Reset at start of new session. but it does not do that.

The chart where the indicator is attached, I have three options for sessions. 24HR, Contract Setup, and Custom. If i keep the custom option with times 9:30-4:00, i am not going to get after hours information?

any advice on this? I appreciate your time.

Thanks in advance.

Right now OEC Trader only "knows" about the Globex Session, so there's no new session at 9:30am. We use the sessions boundaries of the platform and so there's no way to do this right now.

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hey Pete, don't know if this was answered already before. will our existing Jigsaw Trading tools be compatible with the new Ninja Trader 8? Thanks.

Simple answer is "I don't know".

We may need to make changes, we might not - until we get our hands on a copy of NinjaTrader 8 ourselves, we can only speculate.

Our plan is to support it though. We just don't know if that will involve many changes.

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@ DionysusToast

The sell off yesterday after the US opening, was this visible somehow in the order flow? Is there in situation like this a kind of "announcement" in the order book visible or recognizable? Probably during the sell off, but before it happens "signs" would be exciting....Thanks!

Great question but I was out with my in-laws on Thursday.

I did try to download replay data for Thursday but I'm having no luck with it. Let me try again during US hours because the replay server might need a "nudge".

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