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Recon tape and Cum Delta use in ES

Hi Peter

Thanks for your useful comments in my journal.

You mentioned about the bulk trades not able to move up the price i.e someone absorbing and then price reversing back. Iceberg order is one example, i guess.

A similar event happened between 9.35 and 9.45 - Huge spike up in Cum Delta (aka Market orders) and big numbers in your recon tape) with price not moving up. It pull backed a little but soon reversed to the upside and went up 5 points. I have attached few screen shots if my above description is confusing.

I want to know your take on that market action. Also about the use of Cum Delta in that situation. Or am I reading too much into the opening action?

(I took a sim trade based on divergence and stopped out as described in my journal)

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Hi Peter

Thanks for your useful comments in my journal.

You mentioned about the bulk trades not able to move up the price i.e someone absorbing and then price reversing back. Iceberg order is one example, i guess.

A similar event happened between 9.35 and 9.45 - Huge spike up in Cum Delta (aka Market orders) and big numbers in your recon tape) with price not moving up. It pull backed a little but soon reversed to the upside and went up 5 points. I have attached few screen shots if my above description is confusing.

I want to know your take on that market action. Also about the use of Cum Delta in that situation. Or am I reading too much into the opening action?

(I took a sim trade based on divergence and stopped out as described in my journal)

Valid observations and a valid time to take a trade too.

If you think about it - if you considered longs to be trapped around 98, where would your stop be? Not far the other side of 98. If the trade works out it has good downside potential.

So whilst nothing works all the time, the risk:reward on a trade like this is very good.

Also - if a price is holding - you don't need for it to break before exiting. You can just wait for the offers to shrink before you bail - basically getting out before the offers disappear.

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Swing indicator


Hi Peter,
Where can I get the swing indicator that you use and demo in your videos?

Thank you

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Jigsaw tools and MDP 3.0

Hi Peter,

I'm wondering how Jigsaw tools are being affected by the new Cme MDP 3.0? Have you already taken a look into it?

Nothing changes in respect of all other futures markets, right?

Thank you

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Hi Peter,

I'm wondering how Jigsaw tools are being affected by the new Cme MDP 3.0? Have you already taken a look into it?

Nothing changes in respect of all other futures markets, right?

Thank you

With recon tape, there's no need to reconstruct trades with CQG data right now.

For Rithmic, IQFeed/Kinetick - they will still show split trades, so you need to reconstruct trades still.

It may be that larger players not go back to using order splitting bots, so we have a couple of things at play here:

1 - A little uncertainty about what the data providers will finally do
2 - A little uncertainty about how how traders will react to the better info

So I think it's a few months yet till we see how it all plays out.

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@DionysusToast Hi Pete...how does Ninja and Jigsaw work with IB. Need Ninja to look into OF and T&S and hence thinking if IB feed with Ninja is good. Thought of checking in with you

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I broker with IB and use Jigsaw....


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@DionysusToast Hi Pete...how does Ninja and Jigsaw work with IB. Need Ninja to look into OF and T&S and hence thinking if IB feed with Ninja is good. Thought of checking in with you

thnx
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IB data feed is the worst for OF MP VP T&S etc. They take snap shots of the data and then bundle them together. Completely useless for us traders using Order Flow.

Check out this post from IQFeed regarding IB's data https://futures.io/brokers-data-feeds/25853-dtn-iqfeed-s-james-global-account-ma...thing-30.html#post498100

They are great for many other things....acct security order execution range of products..........but not data...by design I feel.

Kinetick or better IQFeed (same thing just can connect to other platforms all at once with IQFeed ie NT7 and NT8 at the same time.

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Thanks guys!

Paps - I agree with the above.

The Depth on IB is fine, the time & sales is useless. That's why most IB users use Kinetick/IQFeed - to make up for that.

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@DionysusToast thanks for this thread and the tool

being a user of Jigsaw and have actually come back to it, since i did get it sometime back...as when i 1st used it....was probably not sure what i was looking for.

I feel it is an amazing software

Wondering if any of the below features or add on's are in the works...as there is a lot of value in the sweeps and the snapshot

a) Is there a way to Alert (audio - based on size) when bids/offers are pulled away...guess a audio of snapshot
b) anyway of plotting a)
c) anyway of alerting how fast the bids/offers are being replenished..and perhaps plots of the same
d) Plotting of parameters tied to Reconstructed tape or Summary Tape
e) Counter to keep track of sweeps at different price levels and maybe plots of the same.

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