NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Topstep's Nick Dolby (Social Media and Community Coordinator) - Ask me Anything (AMA)


Discussion in Trading Reviews and Vendors

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Topstep with 258 posts (612 thanks)
    2. looks_two bobwest with 121 posts (306 thanks)
    3. looks_3 Big Mike with 49 posts (167 thanks)
    4. looks_4 emini2000 with 36 posts (16 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one Big Mike with 3.4 thanks per post
    2. looks_two DarkPoolTrading with 2.8 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 bobwest with 2.5 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 Topstep with 2.4 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 491,349 views
    2. thumb_up 2,123 thanks given
    3. group 387 followers
    1. forum 1,296 posts
    2. attach_file 44 attachments




Closed Thread
 
Search this Thread

Topstep's Nick Dolby (Social Media and Community Coordinator) - Ask me Anything (AMA)

  #151 (permalink)
 
xelaar's Avatar
 xelaar 
prague, czech republic
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT7, MT4
Broker: LMAX
Trading: DAX, Gold, Euro
Posts: 1,505 since Feb 2013
Thanks Given: 1,740
Thanks Received: 2,568

It's sorta betting whether you can make it in 10 days, or whether you make it and don't blow in 20. I can see the psychology aspect working here, so it's not only about trading per se.

Trade to live. Not live to trade.
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
Deepmoney LLM
Elite Quantitative GenAI/LLM
New Micros: Ultra 10-Year & Ultra T-Bond -- Live Now
Treasury Notes and Bonds
Futures True Range Report
The Elite Circle
My NT8 Volume Profile Split by Asian/Euro/Open
NinjaTrader
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Get funded firms 2023/2024 - Any recommendations or word …
59 thanks
Funded Trader platforms
37 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
22 thanks
NexusFi site changelog and issues/problem reporting
22 thanks
The Program
20 thanks
  #152 (permalink)
 
iqgod's Avatar
 iqgod 
Mumbai, India
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: ChartNexus
Trading: Stocks, Commodities, Futures
Posts: 1,802 since Feb 2012
Thanks Given: 3,658
Thanks Received: 3,097


MarketPilot View Post
Am I reading this wrong....

Still sounds like the 20 day combines exist. They just have the same profit target. So you can decide either 10 or 20 days to reach the same profit target.

... the 20-day combines as we knew them recently are actually history!

Sorry for not being clear - I mean we are back to strict time-bound combines (which they had started at the beginning) instead of the "minimum time" ones.

In 10-day combines too the number of days to achieve target cannot be between 10 and 20 they cap them at 10.

Thus you need to take an "observer" stance for all the other days which is good discipline but you need to up the game a bit.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
  #153 (permalink)
 
MarketPilot's Avatar
 MarketPilot 
Des Moines IA USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: InverstorRT, NinjaTrader
Broker: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Trading: ES
Posts: 114 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 86
Thanks Received: 110



xelaar View Post
It's sorta betting whether you can make it in 10 days, or whether you make it and don't blow in 20. I can see the psychology aspect working here, so it's not only about trading per se.

It would be interesting to know how many people reach the target early only to have some losing days cause them to fall under and not reach the objective.

I agree with the Psychology aspect as most people would be quick to think the longer time frame is better to reach the same goal.

Trade Wise, Trade Well

John
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
Thanked by:
  #154 (permalink)
 
MarketPilot's Avatar
 MarketPilot 
Des Moines IA USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: InverstorRT, NinjaTrader
Broker: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Trading: ES
Posts: 114 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 86
Thanks Received: 110


iqgod View Post
Thus you need to take an "observer" stance for all the other days which is good discipline but you need to up the game a bit.

The "old style" combine allowed you some extra trading days if you were close to reaching the profit target. Now, you only get extra days if you decide not to take any trades on some of the days.

This will help me if I I'm unable to trade some of the days. But my trading method does not have a "wait and decide if you should trade today" component. I'll have a hard time deciding if a day is a day to skip before making at least one trade.

Trade Wise, Trade Well

John
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
Thanked by:
  #155 (permalink)
 
DarkPoolTrading's Avatar
 DarkPoolTrading   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 1,036 since May 2012
Thanks Given: 1,244
Thanks Received: 1,326


iqgod View Post


This means the 20-day combines as we knew them recently are actually history!

I have to say I do not agree with this change and I do not think it promotes good trading habits.

The email states that this is aimed at promoting patience, but in fact what this will result in is people skipping valid setups because they're scared of using up one of their trading days. What TST is looking for is traders who have a defined edge which takes into account risk, loss limits, market structure, targets etc. When the trader see's their edge present itself they execute. Period.

The 'minimum' structure they have had in place lends itself to traders executing their edge when they see it, and not picking and choosing which valid setups to take. When you see a valid setup as per your edge, you take it. This new 'limit' structure will result in traders skipping perfectly good trades because they dont want to use up a day. They will begin looking for sure things. As we know, good traders trade probabilities, they dont trade sure things. By skipping valid setups because you're scared of using up a day, you are not trading probabilities, you are waiting for a sure thing which doesn't exist in the market.

Further to that, TST will now have much less information about prospective traders after only 10 or 20 trading days. Personally, I would want to see how a person trades consistently over a 2 month period. Not how they trade on 10 or 20 cherry picked days.

Edit: Patience in trading is about waiting for valid setups. Patience is not about skipping days or valid trades looking for a sure thing.

Diversification is the only free lunch
Follow me on Twitter
  #156 (permalink)
 
MarketPilot's Avatar
 MarketPilot 
Des Moines IA USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: InverstorRT, NinjaTrader
Broker: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Trading: ES
Posts: 114 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 86
Thanks Received: 110


DarkPoolTrading View Post
I have to say I do not agree with this change and I do not think it promotes good trading habits.

The email states that this is aimed at promoting patience, but in fact what this will result in is people skipping valid setups because they're scared of using up one of their trading days. What TST is looking for is traders who have a defined edge which takes into account risk, loss limits, market structure, targets etc. When the trader see's their edge present itself they execute. Period.

The 'minimum' structure they have had in place lends itself to traders executing their edge when they see it, and not picking and choosing which valid setups to take. When you see a valid setup as per your edge, you take it. This new 'limit' structure will result in traders skipping perfectly good trades because they dont want to use up a day. They will begin looking for sure things. As we know, good traders trade probabilities, they dont trade sure things. By skipping valid setups because you're scared of using up a day, you are not trading probabilities, you are waiting for a sure thing which doesn't exist in the market.

Further to that, TST will now have much less information about prospective traders after only 10 or 20 trading days. Personally, I would want to see how a person trades consistently over a 2 month period. Not how they trade on 10 or 20 cherry picked days.

Edit: Patience in trading is about waiting for valid setups. Patience is not about skipping days or valid trades looking for a sure thing.

I agree with your comments...

It can also add the psychological pressures that "I took a trade today" so not I must be profitable today. Need to keep this kind of thinking out of trading.

Trade Wise, Trade Well

John
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
Thanked by:
  #157 (permalink)
 
DarkPoolTrading's Avatar
 DarkPoolTrading   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 1,036 since May 2012
Thanks Given: 1,244
Thanks Received: 1,326


MarketPilot View Post
I agree with your comments...

It can also add the psychological pressures that "I took a trade today" so not I must be profitable today. Need to keep this kind of thinking out of trading.

Exactly right. Initially traders will be far too wary of placing a trade for fear of using a day. Then once he has placed that first trade he will be more inclined to force trades because rather than waste one of his precious 10 or 20 days, he's going to MAKE the market pay him. We all know what that results in.

They obviously want to promote patience in waiting for valid trades, which is great. However all this will do is result in people skipping valid trades and then over trading once they've placed a trade for the day.

Diversification is the only free lunch
Follow me on Twitter
  #158 (permalink)
Topstep
Chicago, IL
 
Posts: 293 since Feb 2013
Thanks Given: 77
Thanks Received: 746


xelaar View Post
It's sorta betting whether you can make it in 10 days, or whether you make it and don't blow in 20. I can see the psychology aspect working here, so it's not only about trading per se.

Xelaar- You are a bit correct. It is not completely about trading at this point but more understanding what you are capable of and making the decision that fits that.

mp

Thanked by:
  #159 (permalink)
Topstep
Chicago, IL
 
Posts: 293 since Feb 2013
Thanks Given: 77
Thanks Received: 746


iqgod View Post
... the 20-day combines as we knew them recently are actually history!

Sorry for not being clear - I mean we are back to strict time-bound combines (which they had started at the beginning) instead of the "minimum time" ones.

In 10-day combines too the number of days to achieve target cannot be between 10 and 20 they cap them at 10.

Thus you need to take an "observer" stance for all the other days which is good discipline but you need to up the game a bit.

iqgod- You are correct the minimum is gone and replaced with the decision to either trade 10 or 20 days to meet the same rules and target.

mp

Thanked by:
  #160 (permalink)
 
xelaar's Avatar
 xelaar 
prague, czech republic
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT7, MT4
Broker: LMAX
Trading: DAX, Gold, Euro
Posts: 1,505 since Feb 2013
Thanks Given: 1,740
Thanks Received: 2,568



MarketPilot View Post
I agree with your comments...

It can also add the psychological pressures that "I took a trade today" so not I must be profitable today. Need to keep this kind of thinking out of trading.

I believe they want to see people taking only high probability trades, not shooting "maybe it will work".

Trade to live. Not live to trade.
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal
Thanked by:

Closed Thread



Last Updated on January 31, 2023


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts