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While anyone would defend a vendor that wouldn't furnish proof of their success if they are claiming to be a successful trader is beyond me. It really is mind boggling.

I guess I would be categorized as an Al Brooks supporter so here goes my argument.

For trading rooms in general, to me it is beyond obvious that practically all are scams. I do not need any proof and do not expect any. The best thing would be if they were required to provide proof because they would all disappear. Then I would bet you would have an outcry from all the uninformed or naive traders that want to be spoon fed trading success.

We all have to live in and deal with the world in front of us, not the utopian ideal we would like to have. The term "buyer beware" and car salesmen come to mind. You cannot regulate away stupidity. Those who go to trade rooms would find somewhere else to squander their money looking for the easy way out.

As for Al Brooks, I have not been in his room but have purchased his books and video course. What I have read is he does not call out trades in his room, he basically points out price action he sees in real time. From what I have seen in his weekly video Q&A on YouTube his own trading style is mostly to scalp one point many times a day but what he teaches in his books and course is more of an intraday swing style of price action trading. So seeing his brokerage statements would not help because apparently his personal trading is not in line with what he teaches. My point is that the Brooks room is not what you would call a classic trading room because no actual trading is done.

Personally I have found the Brooks price action concepts in his books and videos to be a perfect fit with my own trading personality. I have made his price action concepts the foundation of my trading style and I know they work for me. As the foundation of my trading I use Brooks price action only to gauge what the market is doing at the moment. More often than not I have a good handle on what is going on using Brooks price action. But the details of my entries and exits are all based on my own style I have formed through years of watching and trading the market. Having said that not all traders will find the Brooks price action concepts useful or be able to make sense and use them. That does not make Al Brooks a scam.

The way I see it all these people demanding proof from Brooks are effectively requiring proof that "price action" works. To me that is a really silly idea. It may work for me but not you. I find it rather ironic that in trading where absolutely nothing is guaranteed and the market can do anything at any moment people are so stuck on having absolute proof of anything.

So yes I support Al Brooks and think he is one of those in this business that is above board. He teaches how price action works not how to trade as it should be.

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Hi guys,

I’ve asked Terry to read this statement on my behalf in today's webinar.

As most of you know, we work extremely hard to provide the highest quality content to our members. I am constantly approached by vendors and I turn down 90% of them, because I don’t believe the content of the webinar would be beneficial to our members. That also could mean the reputation of the vendor is not good, and we don’t want to be associated with them in any way.

It is extremely difficult to find high quality educators and experienced traders in this industry who have a true desire to help people, that value honesty and integrity above profit, and are willing and able to take extremely valuable time out of their schedule to lecture to our members. On top of that, as a trader myself, I must often allow a webinar on a topic or a style of trading that I don’t personally believe in, but that I believe the community as a whole would still benefit from (for example, scalping). It is difficult to balance these things, but we do our best.

In the past, a few mistakes have been made where a vendor was permitted to do a webinar, and then after-the-fact I realized it was a mistake, or they violated our no self-promotion rule. I’m not perfect, and don’t pretend to be. I just do the best I can, always doing what I feel is best for our community. In one example, the webinar was removed from the site because the vendor had such a bad reputation. In other examples, the presenter was simply never invited back .

Unfortunately, most of the so called educators or “mentors” out there focus on making false promises and posting fancy Excel spreadsheets showing how “easy” it is to make money – often charging ridiculous amounts of money to learn their “secret”. Even more unfortunate, there are enough new traders or “new blood” for these dishonest vendors to survive on this type of deception, preying on these rookie traders that simply don’t know any better. The number of “trading rooms” that provide so called “signals” is proof of this problem, leading uneducated rookie traders down the wrong path and causing a sort of never ending loop where traders spend all their time and resources on finding a new trading room, instead of focusing within and working through their problems that are holding back their performance. It is human nature to reach outward for a solution you are struggling to solve yourself -- but to be a good trader, you have to compete against the best traders in the world that figured out a long time ago there is no shortcut, and most of the answers come from within, with due time and gained experience (usually at quite a price).

On FIO, our priority is to be a unique community where we help traders while providing a friendly, constructive and positive feedback environment. I place a great deal of emphasis on encouraging traders to create their own trading journal on the site, because I believe the process of journaling their trades will open their eyes to the true problems they are facing, and allow them to tackle them one by one over time. I have written about this extensively over the years, and I believe that anyone out there right now that is struggling as a trader should take note of what I am saying – start a public journal today, start holding yourself accountable and stop looking to others to solve your problems. If it sounds like a lot of work, it is. Like I said, there are no shortcuts in trading.

I spend a lot of time moderating the forum so that the very tiny percentage of troubled users that stoop to childish behavior don’t ruin the environment for everyone else. Many of you have witnessed how quickly negativity can spread, and if you visit other trading websites you’ll most likely see this type of behavior running rampant. I started the forum 7 years ago because I strongly disliked the options available to me as a trader, because I wanted to spend time in a community surrounded by my peers but couldn’t that so much of the content on the sites was just childish behavior. The signal-to-noise ratio was terrible, and I thought I could do better. Thus, our community was born and I am extremely proud of what we’ve accomplished together.

Why am I stating all of this? Recently there has been a lively discussion about Al Brooks on the forum, and I wanted to address some of it here.

Some members believe they can only learn something from a trader that makes money. At face value that seems to make a lot of sense. But, I would beg to differ. I believe I am in a unique position as the forum administrator, because I get to see the patterns of tens of thousands of users. Over the past 7 years of running the site, I’ve read hundreds of thousands of posts, and statistics would suggest that many of them were not written by profitable traders . Yet, I am a far better trader today than I was before I started the forum, because I’ve learned what the common mistakes and common patterns are from traders that both lose money as well as make money. I firmly believe there is great value in learning from failure, just as there is in learning from success. I personally believe that traders that say there is no value in learning anything from someone that doesn’t have a proven track record of success, are really just using it as an excuse so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own trading. It is far easier to blame others for your failures, for example blaming someone that taught you a bad or unprofitable method – instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.

In a similar light, some members want proof of success by way of trading statements. Some of them have said you wouldn’t hire a plumber or a roofer that had no proven track record at their job, or you wouldn’t hire a doctor with no valid license, so why would you hire a mentor that has no proven track record in trading? Again, at face value that sounds logical. But life is rarely that black and white, and trading is certainly no exception. Ultimately, that is a decision you will have to make on your own, and like most things in trading, it is going to be based on your own beliefs which is going to provide a bias with your decision. My opinion is as I’ve already stated, that quite frankly you should stop chasing vendors to provide some sort of blanket “solution” such as making you a profitable trader. You will not find success in some shortcut such as trying to copy someone else’s methodology. Instead, you need to look at each vendor, indicator, trading room, webinar, etc, as a resource to help you address a specific problem you’ve already identified in your own trading. For example, if you are a scalper you can still find value in listening to a webinar from a swing trader, if you keep an open mind and add some key component to your own trading, instead of trying to just replicate someone else’s behavior.

Here are some questions for Al, so that he can make a comment or a statement. I hope that you consider everything I’ve said above when listening to Al’s answers.

1. Do you tell your students that you are a successful trader, and that you trade for a living, making money from your trading?
2. Do you offer any proof?
3. Anything you would like to add?

Thanks,
Mike

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Hi guys,

I’ve asked Terry to read this statement on my behalf in today's webinar.

As most of you know, we work extremely hard to provide the highest quality content to our members. I am constantly approached by vendors and I turn down 90% of them, because I don’t believe the content of the webinar would be beneficial to our members. That also could mean the reputation of the vendor is not good, and we don’t want to be associated with them in...................

Great post mike.

Look fwd to hearing the answers to your Qs.

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Hi guys,

I’ve asked Terry to read this statement on my behalf in today's webinar.

As most of you know, we work extremely hard to provide the highest quality content to our members. I am constantly approached by vendors and I turn down 90% of them, because I don’t believe the content of the webinar would be beneficial to our members. That also could mean the reputation of the vendor is not good, and we don’t want to be associated with them in any way.

It is extremely difficult to find high quality educators and experienced traders in this industry who have a true desire to help people, that value honesty and integrity above profit, and are willing and able to take extremely valuable time out of their schedule to lecture to our members. On top of that, as a trader myself, I must often allow a webinar on a topic or a style of trading that I don’t personally believe in, but that I believe the community as a whole would still benefit from (for example, scalping). It is difficult to balance these things, but we do our best.

In the past, a few mistakes have been made where a vendor was permitted to do a webinar, and then after-the-fact I realized it was a mistake, or they violated our no self-promotion rule. I’m not perfect, and don’t pretend to be. I just do the best I can, always doing what I feel is best for our community. In one example, the webinar was removed from the site because the vendor had such a bad reputation. In other examples, the presenter was simply never invited back .

Unfortunately, most of the so called educators or “mentors” out there focus on making false promises and posting fancy Excel spreadsheets showing how “easy” it is to make money – often charging ridiculous amounts of money to learn their “secret”. Even more unfortunate, there are enough new traders or “new blood” for these dishonest vendors to survive on this type of deception, preying on these rookie traders that simply don’t know any better. The number of “trading rooms” that provide so called “signals” is proof of this problem, leading uneducated rookie traders down the wrong path and causing a sort of never ending loop where traders spend all their time and resources on finding a new trading room, instead of focusing within and working through their problems that are holding back their performance. It is human nature to reach outward for a solution you are struggling to solve yourself -- but to be a good trader, you have to compete against the best traders in the world that figured out a long time ago there is no shortcut, and most of the answers come from within, with due time and gained experience (usually at quite a price).

On FIO, our priority is to be a unique community where we help traders while providing a friendly, constructive and positive feedback environment. I place a great deal of emphasis on encouraging traders to create their own trading journal on the site, because I believe the process of journaling their trades will open their eyes to the true problems they are facing, and allow them to tackle them one by one over time. I have written about this extensively over the years, and I believe that anyone out there right now that is struggling as a trader should take note of what I am saying – start a public journal today, start holding yourself accountable and stop looking to others to solve your problems. If it sounds like a lot of work, it is. Like I said, there are no shortcuts in trading.

I spend a lot of time moderating the forum so that the very tiny percentage of troubled users that stoop to childish behavior don’t ruin the environment for everyone else. Many of you have witnessed how quickly negativity can spread, and if you visit other trading websites you’ll most likely see this type of behavior running rampant. I started the forum 7 years ago because I strongly disliked the options available to me as a trader, because I wanted to spend time in a community surrounded by my peers but couldn’t that so much of the content on the sites was just childish behavior. The signal-to-noise ratio was terrible, and I thought I could do better. Thus, our community was born and I am extremely proud of what we’ve accomplished together.

Why am I stating all of this? Recently there has been a lively discussion about Al Brooks on the forum, and I wanted to address some of it here.

Some members believe they can only learn something from a trader that makes money. At face value that seems to make a lot of sense. But, I would beg to differ. I believe I am in a unique position as the forum administrator, because I get to see the patterns of tens of thousands of users. Over the past 7 years of running the site, I’ve read hundreds of thousands of posts, and statistics would suggest that many of them were not written by profitable traders . Yet, I am a far better trader today than I was before I started the forum, because I’ve learned what the common mistakes and common patterns are from traders that both lose money as well as make money. I firmly believe there is great value in learning from failure, just as there is in learning from success. I personally believe that traders that say there is no value in learning anything from someone that doesn’t have a proven track record of success, are really just using it as an excuse so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own trading. It is far easier to blame others for your failures, for example blaming someone that taught you a bad or unprofitable method – instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.

In a similar light, some members want proof of success by way of trading statements. Some of them have said you wouldn’t hire a plumber or a roofer that had no proven track record at their job, or you wouldn’t hire a doctor with no valid license, so why would you hire a mentor that has no proven track record in trading? Again, at face value that sounds logical. But life is rarely that black and white, and trading is certainly no exception. Ultimately, that is a decision you will have to make on your own, and like most things in trading, it is going to be based on your own beliefs which is going to provide a bias with your decision. My opinion is as I’ve already stated, that quite frankly you should stop chasing vendors to provide some sort of blanket “solution” such as making you a profitable trader. You will not find success in some shortcut such as trying to copy someone else’s methodology. Instead, you need to look at each vendor, indicator, trading room, webinar, etc, as a resource to help you address a specific problem you’ve already identified in your own trading. For example, if you are a scalper you can still find value in listening to a webinar from a swing trader, if you keep an open mind and add some key component to your own trading, instead of trying to just replicate someone else’s behavior.

Here are some questions for Al, so that he can make a comment or a statement. I hope that you consider everything I’ve said above when listening to Al’s answers.

1. Do you tell your students that you are a successful trader, and that you trade for a living, making money from your trading?
2. Do you offer any proof?
3. Anything you would like to add?

Thanks,
Mike

Yes. Ask him flat out for proof that he trades what he teaches in a live account and that he trades it profitably.

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I couldn't watch the webinar. What were his answers?

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Hi guys,



I’ve asked Terry to read this statement on my behalf in today's webinar.



As most of you know, we work extremely hard to provide the highest quality content to our members. I am constantly approached by vendors and I turn down 90% of them, because I don’t believe the content of the webinar would be beneficial to our members. That also could mean the reputation of the vendor is not good, and we don’t want to be associated with them in any way.



It is extremely difficult to find high quality educators and experienced traders in this industry who have a true desire to help people, that value honesty and integrity above profit, and are willing and able to take extremely valuable time out of their schedule to lecture to our members. On top of that, as a trader myself, I must often allow a webinar on a topic or a style of trading that I don’t personally believe in, but that I believe the community as a whole would still benefit from (for example, scalping). It is difficult to balance these things, but we do our best.



In the past, a few mistakes have been made where a vendor was permitted to do a webinar, and then after-the-fact I realized it was a mistake, or they violated our no self-promotion rule. I’m not perfect, and don’t pretend to be. I just do the best I can, always doing what I feel is best for our community. In one example, the webinar was removed from the site because the vendor had such a bad reputation. In other examples, the presenter was simply never invited back .



Unfortunately, most of the so called educators or “mentors” out there focus on making false promises and posting fancy Excel spreadsheets showing how “easy” it is to make money – often charging ridiculous amounts of money to learn their “secret”. Even more unfortunate, there are enough new traders or “new blood” for these dishonest vendors to survive on this type of deception, preying on these rookie traders that simply don’t know any better. The number of “trading rooms” that provide so called “signals” is proof of this problem, leading uneducated rookie traders down the wrong path and causing a sort of never ending loop where traders spend all their time and resources on finding a new trading room, instead of focusing within and working through their problems that are holding back their performance. It is human nature to reach outward for a solution you are struggling to solve yourself -- but to be a good trader, you have to compete against the best traders in the world that figured out a long time ago there is no shortcut, and most of the answers come from within, with due time and gained experience (usually at quite a price).



On FIO, our priority is to be a unique community where we help traders while providing a friendly, constructive and positive feedback environment. I place a great deal of emphasis on encouraging traders to create their own trading journal on the site, because I believe the process of journaling their trades will open their eyes to the true problems they are facing, and allow them to tackle them one by one over time. I have written about this extensively over the years, and I believe that anyone out there right now that is struggling as a trader should take note of what I am saying – start a public journal today, start holding yourself accountable and stop looking to others to solve your problems. If it sounds like a lot of work, it is. Like I said, there are no shortcuts in trading.



I spend a lot of time moderating the forum so that the very tiny percentage of troubled users that stoop to childish behavior don’t ruin the environment for everyone else. Many of you have witnessed how quickly negativity can spread, and if you visit other trading websites you’ll most likely see this type of behavior running rampant. I started the forum 7 years ago because I strongly disliked the options available to me as a trader, because I wanted to spend time in a community surrounded by my peers but couldn’t that so much of the content on the sites was just childish behavior. The signal-to-noise ratio was terrible, and I thought I could do better. Thus, our community was born and I am extremely proud of what we’ve accomplished together.



Why am I stating all of this? Recently there has been a lively discussion about Al Brooks on the forum, and I wanted to address some of it here.



Some members believe they can only learn something from a trader that makes money. At face value that seems to make a lot of sense. But, I would beg to differ. I believe I am in a unique position as the forum administrator, because I get to see the patterns of tens of thousands of users. Over the past 7 years of running the site, I’ve read hundreds of thousands of posts, and statistics would suggest that many of them were not written by profitable traders . Yet, I am a far better trader today than I was before I started the forum, because I’ve learned what the common mistakes and common patterns are from traders that both lose money as well as make money. I firmly believe there is great value in learning from failure, just as there is in learning from success. I personally believe that traders that say there is no value in learning anything from someone that doesn’t have a proven track record of success, are really just using it as an excuse so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own trading. It is far easier to blame others for your failures, for example blaming someone that taught you a bad or unprofitable method – instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.



In a similar light, some members want proof of success by way of trading statements. Some of them have said you wouldn’t hire a plumber or a roofer that had no proven track record at their job, or you wouldn’t hire a doctor with no valid license, so why would you hire a mentor that has no proven track record in trading? Again, at face value that sounds logical. But life is rarely that black and white, and trading is certainly no exception. Ultimately, that is a decision you will have to make on your own, and like most things in trading, it is going to be based on your own beliefs which is going to provide a bias with your decision. My opinion is as I’ve already stated, that quite frankly you should stop chasing vendors to provide some sort of blanket “solution” such as making you a profitable trader. You will not find success in some shortcut such as trying to copy someone else’s methodology. Instead, you need to look at each vendor, indicator, trading room, webinar, etc, as a resource to help you address a specific problem you’ve already identified in your own trading. For example, if you are a scalper you can still find value in listening to a webinar from a swing trader, if you keep an open mind and add some key component to your own trading, instead of trying to just replicate someone


This post is an absolute gem. People on the other side should really reread this post couple of times...

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I couldn't watch the webinar. What were his answers?

Same here. Anyone?

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Hi guys,

I’ve asked Terry to read this statement on my behalf in today's webinar.


It is extremely difficult to find high quality educators and experienced traders in this industry who have a true desire to help people, that value honesty and integrity above profit, and are willing and able to take extremely valuable time out of their schedule to lecture to our members. On top of that, as a trader myself, I must often allow a webinar on a topic or a style of trading that I don’t personally believe in, but that I believe the community as a whole would still bedo the best I can, always doing what I feel is best for our community. In one example, the webinar was removed from the site because the vendor had such a bad reputation. In other examples, the presenter was simply never invited back .


Why am I stating all of this? Recently there has been a lively discussion about Al Brooks on the forum, and I wanted to address some of it here.

In a similar light, some members want proof of success by way of trading statements.

Here are some questions for Al, so that he can make a comment or a statement. I hope that you consider everything I’ve said above when listening to Al’s answers.

1. Do you tell your students that you are a successful trader, and that you trade for a living, making money from your trading?
2. Do you offer any proof?
3. Anything you would like to add?

Thanks,
Mike


Hi Mike,
I have been intrigued with price action trading and have seen a couple Al Brook's webinars and have read some of the traders posts on here that claim they are having success with his system/methodology and others that totally dismiss the system/methodology.

I trade using a combination of volume profile, Tick, VWAP and S/R with decent success, but am looking for that extra "edge" to help with entries and exits.

My question is, since you have seen the system/methodology evaluated and reviewed for quite some time, do you think his system is legit and if so do you think his system incorporated into my methodology would help with entries and exits ?

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but your opinion matters out here.

Thanks,
Chris

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Not Mike, but my experience has been that you always get this sliding scale of "it's the only thing that works" vs. "it doesn't work at all" with any trading approach. The fact of the matter is, what works for you depends a lot on your trading philosophy.

For me, there was a lot of stuff in Brook's books that provided valueable pieces of the puzzle. There are some things he claims that I don't believe, e.g. an EMA acting as dynamic support/resistance or the explanations he has dreamed up for some of the patterns in the market. But there is also a lot of good stuff in there that definitely helped me read the market bar by bar. The tl;dr of his method is "look for little clues and make a judgement call on what the market is most likely doing".

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Here is a hard truth. After speaking with a couple of brokers, only people who have been taught from scratch or were noticeably successful in their careers BEFORE trading (physical injuries like me, early retirees) generally make it.

The great industry deception is that most even had a chance in the first place.

If you want fairness, Futures should be made Pro only so people have to pass regulated exams. It is a shiny ticket to heartache and bitterness for most.

This should be a compulsory warning note to any retail trader opening a trading account.

Well said, Rory.

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