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Position sizing strategy for scalping

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For the math inclined.
Scalp strategy for trading day trading ES. with win rate of 60%
On loss increase lot size using the following progression for a 6 steps progression:1-1-1-2-5-10
On win you double your lot size and on 2nd win = restart progression
In other words - win 2 in a row you return to step one
What is the probability of winning twice in a row before losing 6 th step? -Minus 20 Units.

Thanking for your comments in advance.

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For the math inclined.
Scalp strategy for trading day trading ES. with win rate of 60%
On loss increase lot size using the following progression for a 6 steps progression:1-1-1-2-5-10
On win you double your lot size and on 2nd win = restart progression
In other words - win 2 in a row you return to step one
What is the probability of winning twice in a row before losing 6 th step? -Minus 20 Units.

Thanking for your comments in advance.

I confess I did not look at the math.... it seems to me that a strategy of increasing your position size based on trying to make up for current or past losses is potentially kind of dangerous, and so I wouldn't even go into it. The reason is that it seems your position size could grow very fast, with anything that involves any kind of doubling. I believe that gamblers go broke this way.

I would just always use the same position size, or the same position rules, no matter whether a particular trade is a win or a loss. I do not like the idea of even trying to "get it back". I'd just focus on trying to be consistent in results over time.

Also, the assumption of a 60% win rate is on the optimistic side.

But anyone who is interested in the question, feel free....

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For the math inclined.
Scalp strategy for trading day trading ES. with win rate of 60%
On loss increase lot size using the following progression for a 6 steps progression:1-1-1-2-5-10
On win you double your lot size and on 2nd win = restart progression
In other words - win 2 in a row you return to step one
What is the probability of winning twice in a row before losing 6 th step? -Minus 20 Units.

Thanking for your comments in advance.

60% win rate with what reward:risk ? That makes a big difference in figuring out overall return.

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60% win rate with what reward:risk ? That makes a big difference in figuring out overall return.

For this martingale type of progression i am pretty sure it is 1:1 RR. It's like betting Red or Black at roulette.

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It's called Martingaling and the result is often a blown account. I think it's a substitute for skill or a crutch for a trading style that has no edge to begin with. If your scalping is 1.25R/R with a 60% win rate, you will not feel the need to engage in risky leverage plays to come out green.

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Yes 1:1 Risk/reward.

In my younger days was professional gambler for some 15 yrs. out of Vegas . Played in Casinos all over the world. Mostly Blackjack and Baccarat. Developed a money management strategy, for each game, based on what I called "Disproportionate Occurrences.' Involved a 9 step negative progression strategy (a no-n0 in gaming). And yes, there are times that you "Hit the Wall" in both Blackjack and Baccarat. But this happens rarely and accumulated wins greatly overcome losses . Just as in trading, discipline in following your game plan is the key.

I day trade ES, scalping 6 ticks on NT8 platform. I was seeking a mathematical formula that could be used to determine probability of 2 consecutive wins as number of steps are increased?

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Yes 1:1 Risk/reward.

In my younger days was professional gambler for some 15 yrs. out of Vegas . Played in Casinos all over the world. Mostly Blackjack and Baccarat. Developed a money management strategy, for each game, based on what I called "Disproportionate Occurrences.' Involved a 9 step negative progression strategy (a no-n0 in gaming). And yes, there are times that you "Hit the Wall" in both Blackjack and Baccarat. But this happens rarely and accumulated wins greatly overcome losses . Just as in trading, discipline in following your game plan is the key.

I day trade ES, scalping 6 ticks on NT8 platform. I was seeking a mathematical formula that could be used to determine probability of 2 consecutive wins as number of steps are increased?

I still wouldn't do it, but thanks for the explanation.

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Not a mathematician, but pretty sure it's .6*.6, etc. and .4*.4, etc.

So 2 wins in a row be .36 and 6 losers in a row be .004.

Your expectancy will be the same regardless of how many units. So assuming winners and losers the same size, then on a 1000 trades be +600-400 = +200/1000 = .2.
If re-betting the loser at 10 units, would still be +600-400+2400-1600 = 1000/5000 = .2.

I believe changing the position size would only be beneficial if the expectancy also somehow improved on the nth iteration.

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I agree with everyone...don't do this strategy. I blew up my account enough times to know that martingale doesn't work.

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rscr,

Here is an example of how I do Position Sizing (PS). I won't get too deep into how the Algo works - but this is a rather safe way to do PS.

I set it up to Stop at 3 Contracts - just to show you. It is based on your Account Size and Margin. In this case - I put in an extremely High Margin - and set the Number of Contracts it will Trade - Maximum. It started at One Contract - then when it made enough money - Higher than the Margin - then it went to 2 Contracts - then eventually 3 Contracts. For this Algo - it can trade up to 100 Contracts or 100 Shares of Stock. Of course - I would NEVER try to trade too many contracts.

I was going to send a picture of the results for that time period - but decided against it - as most traders would have a hard time believing the results. This is an Hourly chart - setup just to show you. I don't use Hourly charts.

I wish you much success.

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