NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





USO / OIL ETCs and the Contango Effect


Discussion in Commodities

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 3 posts (6 thanks)
    2. looks_two Schebbi with 3 posts (2 thanks)
    3. looks_3 jokertrader with 1 posts (2 thanks)
    4. looks_4 suko with 1 posts (1 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 2 thanks per post
    2. looks_two jokertrader with 2 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 suko with 1 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 Schebbi with 0.7 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 2,957 views
    2. thumb_up 12 thanks given
    3. group 6 followers
    1. forum 8 posts
    2. attach_file 2 attachments




 
Search this Thread

USO / OIL ETCs and the Contango Effect

  #1 (permalink)
 Schebbi 
Cologne/Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: MetaTrader 4
Trading: YM, FDAX
Posts: 6 since Jun 2017
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7

Hi Everybody,

When I saw the Oil Price trading at new lows, I ran into an ETC (Wisdom Tree WTI unfortunatelly as a non US Citizen I cant buy the USO) and bought some Shares in the hope that oil Price will recover over the Long run and I can participate in higher prices.

Unfortunatelly, I wasn´t aware of the current Situation in the Underlying product which is obviously the Crude Oil Futures market. The Futurecontracts for the upcoming months trading at higher Prices than the current contract.


MAY 20 18.24

Jun 20 25.14

Jul 20 29.52

Aug 20 31.32

Sep 20 32.20

OCT 20 33.03

Nov 20 33.64

DEC 20 33.95 (Source: CME Group)

The Problem is, that the Oil Fund has to rollover their Position from month to month to represent the oil market. So for e.g. last week the United States Oil Fund (USO) had to sell the may 20 contract at around $20 and bought the Jun 20 contract at $25. So there was a spread of +$5. This Situation is called Contango.

So now here is the Question. Must the Jun 20 Contract now climb 25% (because $5 spread represents 25%) to just break even for the fund?
What happens when the jun 20 contract declines to $23 and the JUL will trade at $27 at the next rollover? And this happens over and over again? So at the end is it possible that in December the Crude Oil Price will be for example at $35 but the fund Price didn´t move or worst case declined in Price and I will have lost Money?


What would be a good alternative to participate in rising Oil Prices?


Thanks a lot for your help in Advance!

Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
Better Renko Gaps
The Elite Circle
How to apply profiles
Traders Hideout
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
PowerLanguage & EasyLanguage. How to get the platfor …
EasyLanguage Programming
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
29 thanks
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
25 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
21 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
16 thanks
  #2 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,386
Thanks Received: 10,206

No but the Math isn't in your favor.

Let say you bought $10000 USO when May was $18.24. Your $10000 investment theoretically represents 549 barrels. Now USO rolls from May to June and sells their 549 barrels at $18.24 an buys 397 barrels at $25.14, So now you still one $10000 worth of oil but you own 28% less barrels.

This is what they call negative roll yield.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #3 (permalink)
 jokertrader 
NYC, NY
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra, TT
Broker: N/A
Trading: Spread Researcher and crypto degen
Posts: 654 since May 2013
Thanks Given: 545
Thanks Received: 360


Unless you buy USO after it buys the June contracts which it already has and sell before it sells the June contracts/buy July contracts which based on what they usually do will start around May 13 or so????

FYI I am not in it or will be in it rather trade future flys for direction if I get the itch

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 
jakobe's Avatar
 jakobe 
Atlanta, Georgia
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Sierra Chart
Trading: MES
Posts: 112 since Sep 2016
Thanks Given: 69
Thanks Received: 91

The USL ETF slightly solves this issue. They average their contract holdings into all 12 month contracts to mitigate the contango effect. The downside is the spot price doesn't move as sharply since the fund is composed of 12 month crude oil contracts. I'd recommend checking it out however.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #5 (permalink)
 
suko's Avatar
 suko 
Kyoto, Japan
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: TW TOS LiveVol
Broker: TD, TW, IB, Saxo
Trading: VXX, VIX, SPY
Posts: 1,326 since Oct 2013
Thanks Given: 844
Thanks Received: 1,416


SMCJB View Post
No but the Math isn't in your favor.

Let say you bought $10000 USO when May was $18.24. Your $10000 investment theoretically represents 549 barrels. Now USO rolls from May to June and sells their 549 barrels at $18.24 an buys 397 barrels at $25.14, So now you still one $10000 worth of oil but you own 28% less barrels.

This is what they call negative roll yield.

@Schebbi

Essentially it's the same story with most of these franken product ETFs. With bonds that means TBT, with vol it's VXX.

If you spend some time to really understand this mechanism, then you can apply it elsewhere, and you can take advantage of it big time.

For example, you can use that roll yield as a tailwind to your directional assumption by shorting ETFs like TBT or VXX.


"Persistence is very important. You should not give up unless you are forced to give up." -- Elon Musk
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #6 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,386
Thanks Received: 10,206


jakobe View Post
The USL ETF slightly solves this issue. They average their contract holdings into all 12 month contracts to mitigate the contango effect. The downside is the spot price doesn't move as sharply since the fund is composed of 12 month crude oil contracts. I'd recommend checking it out however.

Agreed. Only slight F***Ed rather than completely F***ed. But being fair, if you don't access to futures USL is a better option than USO.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #7 (permalink)
 Schebbi 
Cologne/Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: MetaTrader 4
Trading: YM, FDAX
Posts: 6 since Jun 2017
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7


SMCJB View Post
Agreed. Only slight F***Ed rather than completely F***ed. But being fair, if you don't access to futures USL is a better option than USO.

In the picture you can see the result of the contango effect. It results in a huge tracking Error. The Chart shows the CL1! and the USO over time. It seems that USO is only good in tracking the downphases, but gives almost no reward in uphases.



I sold my ETC yesterday morning and invested in oil shares for example in Texas Pacific Land Trust (TPL). I think this is the better bet for the long run.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	usl.png
Views:	670
Size:	106.8 KB
ID:	296062  
Started this thread Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)
 Schebbi 
Cologne/Germany
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: MetaTrader 4
Trading: YM, FDAX
Posts: 6 since Jun 2017
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7

Just to make it complete. The USL seems really to be the better choice over the long run. It catches the upmoves much better.


Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #9 (permalink)
 
SMCJB's Avatar
 SMCJB 
Houston TX
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: TT and Stellar
Broker: Advantage Futures
Trading: Primarily Energy but also a little Equities, Fixed Income, Metals and Crypto.
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Never
Posts: 5,049 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 4,386
Thanks Received: 10,206


Schebbi View Post
In the picture you can see the result of the contango effect. It results in a huge tracking Error. The Chart shows the CL1! and the USO over time. It seems that USO is only good in tracking the downphases, but gives almost no reward in uphases.



I sold my ETC yesterday morning and invested in oil shares for example in Texas Pacific Land Trust (TPL). I think this is the better bet for the long run.


Schebbi View Post
Just to make it complete. The USL seems really to be the better choice over the long run. It catches the upmoves much better.


Excellent illustration of negative roll yield in effect.

Reply With Quote




Last Updated on April 21, 2020


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts