NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Irrational/suspicious option settlement


Discussion in Traders Hideout

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one USS Liberty with 3 posts (0 thanks)
    2. looks_two mattz with 2 posts (1 thanks)
    3. looks_3 Quick Summary with 1 posts (0 thanks)
    4. looks_4 rleplae with 1 posts (1 thanks)
    1. trending_up 921 views
    2. thumb_up 2 thanks given
    3. group 6 followers
    1. forum 6 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Irrational/suspicious option settlement

  #1 (permalink)
USS Liberty
Pittsburgh PA
 
Posts: 37 since Jul 2018
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7

I trade the December 2020 crude oil options. Today the underlying Dec. 2020 futures contract had a relatively small gain, up $0.27, less than half a percent. The settlement price on the Dec. 2020 100 calls, that had no volume, went from .58 to .56, a loss of 0.02 or 3.45 percent. I did see a bid of a single option at 0.50. At the same time, the settlement price on the Dec. 2020 150 calls, again with no volume and no bids and asks showing, went from 0.08 to 0.11, a gain of 37.5 percent! This seems irrational/suspicious to me, and I'm even wondering if I should report this to the CFTC.

EDIT: I also noticed that the settlement values did not appear until after 4:30 PM Eastern. Usually the settlement values show up by 4:00.

Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
Increase in trading performance by 75%
The Elite Circle
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
Trade idea based off three indicators.
Traders Hideout
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
28 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Diary of a simple price action trader
21 thanks
My NQ Trading Journal
14 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
9 thanks
  #3 (permalink)
 
rleplae's Avatar
 rleplae 
Gits (Hooglede) Belgium
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Master
Platform: NinjaTrader, Proprietary,
Broker: Ninjabrokerage/IQfeed + Synthetic datafeed
Trading: 6A, 6B, 6C, 6E, 6J, 6S, ES, NQ, YM, AEX, CL, NG, ZB, ZN, ZC, ZS, GC
Posts: 3,003 since Sep 2013
Thanks Given: 2,442
Thanks Received: 5,863


You are talking about options with relatively far out of the money strikes,
as a result the book is thin and the spread is wide.

On relatively small premiums, solely expectation/time value such moves
seem not irrational/suspicious, the more that there was no meaningful
volume..

Just my thoughts on your observations...

Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 
mattz's Avatar
 mattz   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 2,493 since Sep 2010
Thanks Given: 2,441
Thanks Received: 3,791


USS Liberty View Post
I trade the December 2020 crude oil options. Today the underlying Dec. 2020 futures contract had a relatively small gain, up $0.27, less than half a percent. The settlement price on the Dec. 2020 100 calls, that had no volume, went from .58 to .56, a loss of 0.02 or 3.45 percent. I did see a bid of a single option at 0.50. At the same time, the settlement price on the Dec. 2020 150 calls, again with no volume and no bids and asks showing, went from 0.08 to 0.11, a gain of 37.5 percent! This seems irrational/suspicious to me, and I'm even wondering if I should report this to the CFTC.

EDIT: I also noticed that the settlement values did not appear until after 4:30 PM Eastern. Usually the settlement values show up by 4:00.

Did you see this settlement on your platform? Or you went to the CME website and saw the settlement there?

Matt Z
Optimus Futures

There is a substantial risk of loss in futures trading. Past performance is not indicative of future results.

Trading futures and options involves substantial risk of loss and is not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. You may lose more than your initial investment. All posts are opinions and do not claim to be facts. Please conduct your own due diligence. Use only Risk capital when trading Futures.
1 800 771 6748 local 561 367 8686 email [email protected]
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)
USS Liberty
Pittsburgh PA
 
Posts: 37 since Jul 2018
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7


mattz View Post
Did you see this settlement on your platform? Or you went to the CME website and saw the settlement there?

Matt Z
Optimus Futures

I saw it on my platform and also on the daily statements that I receive overnight.

EDIT: I looked at the CME website and got the following:

LO DEC20 Light Sweet Crude Oil Option CALL
10000 ---- .63B ---- .63B .56 -.02 .58 14641
10100 ---- ---- ---- ---- .54 -.01 .55 1
10500 ---- ---- ---- ---- .46 UNCH .46 70
11000 ---- ---- ---- ---- .38 +.02 .36 400
12000 ---- ---- ---- ---- .27 +.04 .23 1
12500 ---- ---- ---- ---- .23 +.04 300 .19 251
13000 ---- ---- ---- ---- .20 +.05 .15 2
14000 ---- ---- ---- ---- .15 +.04 .11 25
15000 ---- ---- ---- ---- .11 +.03 .08 1870

Based on the above, I suppose that having the settlement higher for the 150s and lower for the 100s can be rationalized by the 300 volume for the 125 calls, which may mean that the market is bidding up the 125 strike and higher strike options while the lack of volume for the 100s may be interpreted as its price remaining relatively stable. However, increasing the settlement for the 130s by an amount greater both in abslolute and percentage terms than the 125s does not make sense.

Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)
 
mattz's Avatar
 mattz   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 2,493 since Sep 2010
Thanks Given: 2,441
Thanks Received: 3,791


USS Liberty View Post
I saw it on my platform and also on the daily statements that I receive overnight.

ok. I saw the 150 option you are referring to and it does have an OI. otherwise, it would not be reported.
Keep this in mind:
"Settlement prices on instruments without open interest or volume are provided for web users only and are not published on Market Data Platform (MDP). These prices are not based on market activity.

Matt Z
Optimus Futures

There is a substantial risk of loss in futures trading. Past performance is not indicative of future results.

Trading futures and options involves substantial risk of loss and is not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. You may lose more than your initial investment. All posts are opinions and do not claim to be facts. Please conduct your own due diligence. Use only Risk capital when trading Futures.
1 800 771 6748 local 561 367 8686 email [email protected]
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #7 (permalink)
USS Liberty
Pittsburgh PA
 
Posts: 37 since Jul 2018
Thanks Given: 8
Thanks Received: 7

Today the settlement price on the Dec 2020 150 calls spiked from .13 to .22 with no volume and no bid and ask at the time of the settlement, and the highest bid I saw for the whole day was .06. There was an insignificant rise on the underlying December 2020 futures. I wouldn't be surprised if a short squeeze develops on those options on Monday when the market opens. Maybe the person who set the settlement to .22 wants to take advantage of a squeeze.

Reply With Quote




Last Updated on September 7, 2018


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts