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I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with them, I signed up for a free trial through Mirus

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I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with them, I signed up for a free trial through Mirus

Waste of time, waste of money.

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Waste of time, waste of money.

Thanks, I really appreciate your response. I know all these places are trying to get people to sign up for their live trading rooms, I just wish I could watch a trader with alot of successful experience trade live to pick up some tips. I feel so isolated sometimes, I personally don't know anybody that does this for a living or even trades part-time.

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Waste of time, waste of money.

Can you expand on your experience? how long did you use the service? when? Some specifics of what you saw/learned?

The folks running the room seem to have significant experience. Also, a friend attending the trial seem to be quite impressed. They have what seem to be some new tools, maybe you can let us know if they already had these tools when you were a member of the service.

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Can you expand on your experience? how long did you use the service? when? Some specifics of what you saw/learned?

The folks running the room seem to have significant experience. Also, a friend attending the trial seem to be quite impressed. They have what seem to be some new tools, maybe you can let us know if they already had these tools when you were a member of the service.

Many Thanks!

If anyone has the Sniper Scalping System SM (SSS) and no longer uses/wants it and wants to sell it, can you please PM me.

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Released on September 27, 2016

CFTC Orders Advanced Trading Workshop, Inc. of Jamesville, New York, to Pay a Total of $940,000 in Disgorgement and a Civil Monetary Penalty for Solicitation Fraud and Failure to Register

Same people?

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Thanks Rory for that interesting info.
Yes, that is definitely them.

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Advanced Trading Workshop used to present frequently on TraderKingdom.com, and used NinjaTrader and recommended Mirus Futures (before NinjaTrader acquired Mirus). As I recall, there were two separate parts each run by one of the two partners: a daytrading trading room that had its own software, and a swing trading room that was operated by the original single founder.

It's unclear from the CFTC statement which of the trading rooms was illusory; perhaps both were.

It seems odd that the CFTC did not name the principals.

Thanks for notifying us of this. Astonishing. But then, not really.

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For quite awhile it was Andy Carlson who was the supposed daytrader, and Jerry Simmons who had a swing room and did more education. Andy was definitely the marketer (not the 3rd party marketer referred to here) and purported successful daytrader.
At some point Jerry Simmons left the company, and after that I believe someone else even bought Carlson out. But I'm pretty sure the period in question still had Carlson doing the supposed trading. Not positive of that, though.

As I always suspected when I sat in years ago with Carlson there, "Rather, Trader only engaged in hypothetical or simulated trading in the Room, meaning that no orders were placed or exposed to the market, and no orders were ever actually executed."

This video was published during the "relevant period" of the charges, August 2012. Carlson is the speaker at the beginning. I'm sure he thought he got out in time and got away with the scam

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If anyone has the Sniper Scalping System SM (SSS) and no longer uses/wants it and wants to sell it, can you please PM me.

I believe the guys at backtothefuturetrading bought it.

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I believe the guys at backtothefuturetrading bought it.

That's right! I hadn't recalled that, but that does sound right. And oh-so-apropos, if I might add.

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Thanks for the "oh so-apra-po" comment, but we didn't buy Sniper Scalping.

We have absolutely zero affiliation with them. Please when you post these things online, consider that if you write something that's incorrect like this, it has the potential to run people's lives. When you post incorrect information like this - no one comes back and corrects it, and when it comes to really important matters like this.

Next time ask, "Did you buy SniperScalping?" The answer would have been, we never gave anyone a penny at ATW, or SniperScalping for their business.

Sorry if this comes across harshly, but this is quite serious. We don't tell people we're trading live, we don't post trading results, we don't mislead people - and follow every CTFC guideline required. You can hate us personally or not like the system, that's fine- but please be accurate when you post this kind of stuff.

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Thanks for the "oh so-apra-po" comment, but we didn't buy Sniper Scalping.

We have absolutely zero affiliation with them. Please when you post these things online, consider that if you write something that's incorrect like this, it has the potential to run people's lives. When you post incorrect information like this - no one comes back and corrects it, and when it comes to really important matters like the CTFC - you put everyone in legal jeopardy, Big Mike not withstanding.

Next time ask, "Did you buy SniperScalping?" The answer would have been, we never gave anyone a penny at ATW, or SniperScalping for their business.

Sorry if this comes across harshly, but this is quite serious. We don't tell people we're trading live, we don't post trading results, we don't mislead people - and follow every CTFC guideline required. You can hate us personally or not like the system, that's fine- but please be accurate when you post this kind of stuff.

Firstly, I've been in your room when you have traded live - or claimed to. I have recordings if you'd like me to provide them. My comment was based on my experience with that.

Secondly, see attached images re: the lack of association between you/BTTF and ATW and their (your?) Sniper program. Perhaps yours was a different Sniper program that you "took over" after having had a relationship with ATW, and it's a coincidence. I'll leave it at that re: my comments and their veracity. I'll let you sort out with the CFTC or NFA re: the intricacies of your involvement - or lack of - with ATW.

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Fantastic screenshots. As I said above, we never purchased Sniper Scalping. The program, the software was always and is always always shall be someone else's. In fact, 2 of your images are emails relating to our company presenting our software to Sniper Scalping customers, and have nothing to do with our marketing the software for them.

Please send me whatever recordings you have, I'd love to review them. My email is Michael@backtothefuturetrading.com

We've never traded live, or insinuated we traded live during a demonstration . If you read the review Emmett Moore made of us at Trading schools. Org you'll read for yourself he gave us low ratings because we never traded live. I took issue with what you said, which was that we bought ss.com. That never happened.

We marketed and demoed the product for several months believing that it had potential, having met customers that were using it and liked it, and discovered later interest in it was non existent and then dropped it. I wish we'd never gone near it now.

We had no idea what these dirt bags had done, and want nothing to do with them or their stink. I regret ever having met them, or worked with them. I feel sick about what they were accused of. My issue again, is not with you, but your statement that we bought them. That never happened.

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Thanks for the "oh so-apra-po" comment, but we didn't buy Sniper Scalping.

We have absolutely zero affiliation with them. Please when you post these things online, consider that if you write something that's incorrect like this, it has the potential to run people's lives. When you post incorrect information like this - no one comes back and corrects it, and when it comes to really important matters like this.

Next time ask, "Did you buy SniperScalping?" The answer would have been, we never gave anyone a penny at ATW, or SniperScalping for their business.

Sorry if this comes across harshly, but this is quite serious. We don't tell people we're trading live, we don't post trading results, we don't mislead people - and follow every CTFC guideline required. You can hate us personally or not like the system, that's fine- but please be accurate when you post this kind of stuff.


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Fantastic screenshots. As I said above, we never purchased Sniper Scalping. The program, the software was always and is always always shall be someone else's. In fact, 2 of your images are emails relating to our company presenting our software to Sniper Scalping customers, and have nothing to do with our marketing the software for them.

Please send me whatever recordings you have, I'd love to review them. My email is Michael@backtothefuturetrading.com

We've never traded live, or insinuated we traded live during a demonstration . If you read the review Emmett Moore made of us at Trading schools. Org you'll read for yourself he gave us low ratings because we never traded live. I took issue with what you said, which was that we bought ss.com. That never happened.

We marketed and demoed the product for several months believing that it had potential, having met customers that were using it and liked it, and discovered later interest in it was non existent and then dropped it. I wish we'd never gone near it now.

We had no idea what these dirt bags had done, and want nothing to do with them or their stink. I regret ever having met them, or worked with them. I feel sick about what they were accused of. My issue again, is not with you, but your statement that we bought them. That never happened.

Hi there Michael



I happened to come across this thread and I have read the latest few posts.

I just wanted to clarify something in my mind: you stated above that you "have absolutely zero affiliation with them". I presume 'them' refers to Sniper Scalping, is that correct?



In the next post, however, when you say


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we never purchased Sniper Scalping. The program, the software was always and is always always shall be someone else's. In fact, 2 of your images are emails relating to our company presenting our software to Sniper Scalping customers, and have nothing to do with our marketing the software for them.

The tone of the post does really sound like there is a relationship of some sort with Sniper Scalping.



Where is it that I'm getting confused?

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Fantastic screenshots. As I said above, we never purchased Sniper Scalping. The program, the software was always and is always always shall be someone else's. In fact, 2 of your images are emails relating to our company presenting our software to Sniper Scalping customers, and have nothing to do with our marketing the software for them.

Please send me whatever recordings you have, I'd love to review them. My email is Michael@backtothefuturetrading.com

We've never traded live, or insinuated we traded live during a demonstration . If you read the review Emmett Moore made of us at Trading schools. Org you'll read for yourself he gave us low ratings because we never traded live. I took issue with what you said, which was that we bought ss.com. That never happened.

We marketed and demoed the product for several months believing that it had potential, having met customers that were using it and liked it, and discovered later interest in it was non existent and then dropped it. I wish we'd never gone near it now.

We had no idea what these dirt bags had done, and want nothing to do with them or their stink. I regret ever having met them, or worked with them. I feel sick about what they were accused of. My issue again, is not with you, but your statement that we bought them. That never happened.

What software did you "take over"? And why is it the link in your email goes to an infusionsoft.atw site to download it? Just in case that was a coincidence, I googled infusionsoft.atw and attached is the first hit. fwiw.

Here's one snippet (happy to share here) where someone who sounds incredibly like you, Michael, says, "1121.50 we are short in the countertrend model." "And I made money on the crude trade. That's six, six ticks. Done."

You ever hear that saying, about when you're in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging?

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Of course there was such an alliance.

Here is a screenshot of a video that I have of the BTTF/Sniper Scalping alliance/partnership. It's dated February 18, 2015.


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A thread with anything BTTF Michael has to say is a losing proposition and will spiral out of control. My advice is just to move on.

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Thanks Jack, that's what I thought you were referring to.

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Of course there was such an alliance.

Here is a screenshot of a video that I have of the BTTF/Sniper Scalping alliance/partnership. It's dated February 18, 2015.



I have been "digging" in my mails and found this mail.
I post it as screenshot

Everybody can make hir / her own conclusion

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LOL... well, hmm. Now the poster @BTTFT Michael himself has decided to delete the message.

Sorry if it is confusing to follow, but the chain of events:

a) @BTTFT Michael posted a response to someone that contained some promotional text
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d) @BTTFT Michael deleted it after I undeleted it

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I sent Big Mike a private message to correct the post- namely a statement that Jack made regarding hearing that my company, BackToThefutureTrading, had bought SniperScalping from Andy Carlsen. This statement is, and always was materially untrue. Jack made a false public statement on this forum. Despite my having asked Jack to correct his statement, and asking Mike to intervene on his website regarding Jack having made a false defaming statement on his forum, we're back again.

Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

SS and BTTFT like every other trading tools company had an informal cross-promotional partnership. We would present our tools and methods to SS, and SS would promote their tools and methods to our customers. Usually once or twice a year. I've not disputed that - nor will I ever. It happened. Of course there are screenshots that show that.

We always had BTTFT customers that owned both pieces of software. We had customers that were happy with SS indicators. We never had any knowledge of SS's improper practices for the years leading up to our cross promotions.

And then for years, we had no cross-promotional events. No contact whatsoever, in fact. I used to cross market with only other other company, Steve Griffith's of MTPredictor, and we hadn't had any cross-promotional events with him, for years as well. Then, as your screenshots clearly show, something changed.

I was approached by Andy after years of no contact. He informed me that he was tired of sales, and getting out of that end of the business. He noted that we didn't have any price action based indicators, and wondered if I wouldn't assume the sales and marketing of his company and his software, Sniper Scalping.

We sent out the emails that you see. We still had only heard from the customers that we knew were doing okay using his tools, and proceeded in good faith to promote the SS indicators. A few months into the endeavor however, things fell apart. No one was coming to the webinars. Customers who needed tech support were unable to reach Andy and were being redirected to the SS programmer, Pablo. We were unable to contact Andy readily as well, and the whole thing stank to high heaven. So we shut it down.

It's apparent now, looking back, that he was probably being investigated at the time he attempted to pass his piece of shit along to us. That's a fantastic realization, if you think about it. To be associated with something or someone whose practices you are diametrically opposed to...who did the things you've avoided doing for nearly 10 years in your own business - and to have been that close to it, is a fail of epic proportions.

But to say you heard we "bought" SS, was, and is a lie. Or at the very least, hearsay, which isn't right. Members of this forum should be responsible when they post something like that. Jack hasn't been held to task, so here I am fumbling around again spending hours trying to explain and defend myself....again.

You now know everything about my involvement with SS. Jack's one post has already had a measurable effect on our company. In spite of that, I gave Jack a chance to experience us wholesale at no cost - warts and all - for as long as he wanted, and come back to you - as an Elite member and share his experiences to show that none of the things I was accused of (live trading for example) weren't happening in any of our classes, or webinars.. That's not self-promotion. It's defending your reputation and the integrity of the 5 families you represent against an untrue statement. Anyone here would do it. (Jack never contacted me btw. Maybe someone else will).

You now know everything I know, and did, and am doing. If I offended anyone in the execution of the defense, I apologize. We are not enemies, however. I've spent almost a decade doing this, as above board and with as much integrity as I know how to as a flawed human being. I've always ever done my best, and not taken any shortcuts.

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Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

I stopped reading after this.

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I sent Big Mike a private message to correct the post- namely a statement that Jack made regarding hearing that my company, BackToThefutureTrading, had bought SniperScalping from Andy Carlsen. This statement is, and always was materially untrue. Jack made a false public statement on this forum. Despite my having asked Jack to correct his statement, and asking Mike to intervene on his website regarding Jack having made a false defaming statement on his forum, we're back again.

I believe you are referring to this:


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I believe the guys at backtothefuturetrading bought it.


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That's right! I hadn't recalled that, but that does sound right. And oh-so-apropos, if I might add.

I am not an attorney. But it seems to me as though in both cases, it is a matter of opinion and not a statement of fact.

You then replied:


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Thanks for the "oh so-apra-po" comment, but we didn't buy Sniper Scalping.

We have absolutely zero affiliation with them.

When you say "we have absolutely zero affiliation with them", in my opinion that is confusing since you did in fact have affiliation with them, as was later demonstrated in the thread.

In your last post:


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Above, I stated that I have "zero" affiliation presently with SS. I never stated I never had an affiliation with them.

In my opinion, your second statement contradicts the first. Obviously it is subtle. I'm not an attorney, but I do think it is easy to see that anyone could reasonably associate your two companies. I think confusion can also arise when terms like "take over" are used when describing taking over part of their business as your own (a comment you made to me).

Feel free to have your attorney contact my attorney, so they can decide as legal experts, and appropriate action will of course be taken immediately. You can also contact the poster directly and ask them to edit their own post.

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I stopped reading after this.

Exactly. As I said before, a losing proposition.

Just like getting Michael to stump up verifiable trading statements to validate the profitability of his software.

He can't and won't do this, but he'll take the conversation around the block a few times and by time you get back to the original topic, you forget what the original question was.

I think there is enough evidence out there for people to form their own conclusion about Michael's postings.

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I think I may have inadvertently started something here I didn't mean to and wanted to offer an apology if I broke forum rules.

For clarity sake, I have personally spoken to and done business with Michael at BTTF, and Jerry at AWT and believe both to be good people. I do not know Andy. As for ATW or Sniper Scalping's advertising practices, that is beyond the scope of this post or my concerns.

In my original post I was simply tying to point MarkG in the right direction to find the software he was in search of and never thought for a second my post would have started all of this.

In the future I will be more careful with my wording as to not start trouble or state things I do not know to be facts. I simply know at a point in the not too distant past BTTF has something to do with SSS and Jerry told me Andy was out of the business so I made an incorrect assumption.

Sorry for the confusion and trouble!

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...wanted to offer an apology if I broke forum rules.

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Sorry for the confusion and trouble!

Hi, I do not believe you broke any rules.

If you wish to edit or delete your post, you can do so or you can contact me privately if the edit period has elapsed.

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Thanks Big Mike! I'll contact Michael this evening and will edit the post if he wants me to but in the grand scheme of things changing it now may alter the entire context of what occurred after it for those reading it in the future as the post directly after it started this all off.

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AC apparently has a new venture: "One Good Idea", delivered each month, for $29.99 per month. See attached GIFs from recorded presentation. According to the slides, the program is "SUPPER POWERFUL!!!" (GIF 8).

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A thread with anything BTTF Michael has to say is a losing proposition and will spiral out of control. My advice is just to move on.

He will never admit defeat especially when it comes to Back To The Future Trading. His cat will always be blacker than your cat.

I just wish i had an emoji of a cat right now...

that is for sure for dang sure JhonnyBoy,,, back to the future is as realistic as the move and car..looks cool ..but 100% pure b.s.

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that is for sure for dang sure JhonnyBoy,,, back to the future is as realistic as the move and car..looks cool ..but 100% pure b.s.

I really hate to get into a conversation like this and rarely post anyway, but a friend of mine has been sharing his trade screen with me for a while with various features of the BTTF / Flux software. All I can say is that this is the most uncanningly accurate "BS" I've ever seen as far as predicting WHEN a move will occur. To the minute! The base indicators do not show how FAR price will move, there are some others that give some fairly useful target levels, or you can use whatever method you want. I haven't bought the software as it is a bit expensive for me right now and I wouldn't rely on it totally, but I am definitely considering it as a future addition. Nothing in trading is 100% accurate, but this is definitely not 100% BS.

Each to their own...

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I really hate to get into a conversation like this and rarely post anyway, but a friend of mine has been sharing his trade screen with me for a while with various features of the BTTF / Flux software. All I can say is that this is the most uncanningly accurate "BS" I've ever seen as far as predicting WHEN a move will occur. To the minute! The base indicators do not show how FAR price will move, there are some others that give some fairly useful target levels, or you can use whatever method you want. I haven't bought the software as it is a bit expensive for me right now and I wouldn't rely on it totally, but I am definitely considering it as a future addition. Nothing in trading is 100% accurate, but this is definitely not 100% BS.

Each to their own...

Ask your friend to show his results on a live account. Not his trade screen...
I'm a system trader, our brain will identify patterns that work more than not. So many times I build a system and I think I just won the lottery, just to realize that is just our powerful brains recognizing patterns, but in the end they don't pay off... as people say... the proof is in the pudding...

You are new... my advice to you, be skeptical of everyone selling signals... build your own if you can, because then you can adapt as the market changes... if you can't build your own, take your time to learn to trade discretionary... no expensive signals are necessary, just price action should be enough...

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Hi DS, Appreciate your response. I agree with your comments and your advice is sound. However, after watching the charts closely for a few weeks it is obvious this is not "100% BS" - I think that comment was a little harsh.

Does it seem a bit "hocus pocus"? Yes, as do the presentations sometimes. Is it a total trading system? No. Would I consider buying it in the future? Definite "Maybe", but only if I have spare cash.

The vast majority of trading systems sold are complete rubbish, much the same for a large number of trading books by "respected" authorities, trading courses, etc. I've spent enough on them over the last 15 yrs, so I take that as fact. I wouldn't put BTTF in the same category, as the indicators do work with reasonable consistency. But it's more a tool that could be added to your existing analysis.

That's all from me... Back to the

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I believe you are referring to this:





I am not an attorney. But it seems to me as though in both cases, it is a matter of opinion and not a statement of fact.

You then replied:



When you say "we have absolutely zero affiliation with them", in my opinion that is confusing since you did in fact have affiliation with them, as was later demonstrated in the thread.

In your last post:



In my opinion, your second statement contradicts the first. Obviously it is subtle. I'm not an attorney, but I do think it is easy to see that anyone could reasonably associate your two companies. I think confusion can also arise when terms like "take over" are used when describing taking over part of their business as your own (a comment you made to me).

Feel free to have your attorney contact my attorney, so they can decide as legal experts, and appropriate action will of course be taken immediately. You can also contact the poster directly and ask them to edit their own post.

Mike

Oh man this is gold, thanks big mike for detailing that, im in no means looking for any service and just reading random threads while wait for the market to open.
As i was reading this i came across the same conclusions as big mike did, its pretty apparent that the vendor is lying and continues to try to cover his tracks as new stuff comes out and in the end he ends up eating his own words.
He literally makes a statement in response to a post and then someone posts new info and he then tries to cover up alot of his previous post, this continues through out all of that vendors replies.
Just think about it...Read the vendors replies and that should tell you all you need to know, would you want to do business with someone like that?
I sure and the hell wouldn't in fact i wouldn't even want my name around him.

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I really hate to get into a conversation like this and rarely post anyway, but a friend of mine has been sharing his trade screen with me for a while with various features of the BTTF / Flux software. All I can say is that this is the most uncanningly accurate "BS" I've ever seen as far as predicting WHEN a move will occur. To the minute! The base indicators do not show how FAR price will move, there are some others that give some fairly useful target levels, or you can use whatever method you want. I haven't bought the software as it is a bit expensive for me right now and I wouldn't rely on it totally, but I am definitely considering it as a future addition. Nothing in trading is 100% accurate, but this is definitely not 100% BS.

Each to their own...

I love these kinds of posts. A member with a total of 6 posts (4 at the time of the OP) comes on and praises an indicator or vendor - that they "saw via a friend". This is generally after a vendor has had negative reviews.

"uncanningly accurate" - yes, if I had an indicator that was "uncanningly accurate" at predicting market turns, I wouldn't use it myself (Micheal doesn't trade live from a real account and has admitted as such), I would set up a website and sell it to the public.


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I knew it was a waste of time starting this conversation. It doesn't matter if you state facts or not, there is always someone who knows better or has to pick at something. Who gives a rats how many times someone has posted here. I usually read the posts, not reply - for exactly this reason.

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I knew it was a waste of time starting this conversation. It doesn't matter if you state facts or not, there is always someone who knows better or has to pick at something. Who gives a rats how many times someone has posted here. I usually read the posts, not reply - for exactly this reason.

Stating facts is one thing. Stating facts with proof other than words is something else altogether - that is what will warrant a conversation.

You think the indicators are "a bit expensive for me right now" - that is exactly the kind of tactic a vendor would use writing about their own product to steer people off of the scent of them being the actual poster.

That kind of says it all in my opinion. You have this amazing indicator right in front of you and you don't have the "spare cash" to buy it? C'mon man. That tells me everything right there.

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JB, Assuming I'm not posting anything against the rules, I'll tell you the indicators / tools I use: S5Bookmap, GZT SDVolumeZones, Divergences Pro & Relative Volume from Trade-The-Plan, Daily Profile from Ninza, and a whole lot of stuff from Fat Tails - especially his VWAP & Pivots, and of course OFA "footprint" charts. All that stuff works and I don't "need" other indicators (but it doesn't mean I won't look at them). I don't represent any of those suppliers - or if I do, they aren't paying me enough. I also heavily rely on market geometry, including pitchforks, channels and plain old trend lines. Yes, I know you have to be sceptical, but how about you give me a break??

Let's just get back to helping people.

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I really hate to get into a conversation like this and rarely post anyway, but a friend of mine has been sharing his trade screen with me for a while with various features of the BTTF / Flux software. All I can say is that this is the most uncanningly accurate "BS" I've ever seen as far as predicting WHEN a move will occur. To the minute! The base indicators do not show how FAR price will move, there are some others that give some fairly useful target levels, or you can use whatever method you want. I haven't bought the software as it is a bit expensive for me right now and I wouldn't rely on it totally, but I am definitely considering it as a future addition. Nothing in trading is 100% accurate, but this is definitely not 100% BS.

Each to their own...

any thing in trading can look good for a little while...moving average cross .. W.D. Gann time studies, fib. time clusters. large players move the markets ... i do not think Goldman Sacs and J P Morgan are making there trades using the Flux, if the Flux could pick uncanningly accurate turning points ...the developer could sell it for tens of millions. ASK him for a 30 day free trail and test it for your self. you will find out he does not give 30 free trails..you have to spend 3000.00 and hope it works. i would not do that with any trading vendor not just the FLUX. in most cases vendors that want thousands up front with no trail are not honest .. if the Flux could pick turn points with 70% accurate ..when it fired the volume coming in would over load the servers at the exchange. if you like it...i sure hope it works out for you ..good luck and good trading

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Hi Forgiven, Thank you for a balanced and sensible response. I agree with what you are saying. I'm not promoting any vendor or software, just responding to an earlier comment that something was 100% BS (I thought that statement was flippant and ill-informed) <<--KEY POINT. But we all say things like that sometimes, so no big deal.

If I can work out how to post a couple of images here & it is not against the forum rules, I'll show you my trades from yesterday - from around the London open up to the point I got side-tracked with this conversation. I also point out that I just started a Topstep Combine yesterday too (you can see my account name starting with Jan11 on the Rithmic dashboard). I've passed a couple of Combines before & had a funded account, but screwed it up so am starting again (I mentioned something previously about not having spare cash, which is why I'm using Topstep - who I don't represent either.)

Unfortunately, it is now the 12th so the Rithmic dashboard (used to register Topstep trades) doesn't show all the trades, just the total which includes profit, less commissions for the day. You can see my trades on the 610 tick chart so you can figure it out. I've also posted a Flux chart for the same time period. I did not use this chart as I only just received it by a promotional/review email. The signals were generated ahead of time and look pretty good to me. While BTTF don't give free trials, they do send out the predicted signals for a couple of markets each & every week for Wed & Thur (they send them ahead of time if you register for free). They then run a live review of the signals as they occur. I don't normally watch them, but looking at the CL chart, maybe I should. Anyway, my friend who lets me view his chart via screen share has a whole lot of stuff on his charts, mostly based around a 1 tick Renko and it doesn't look as simple as this. He is in the US and wasn't out of bed when I took my trades so I didn't have his screen share either.

The attached Flux chart is just one of many ways the signals can be presented. It looks ridiculously simple here, but the actual extent of the moves don't always work this well, even if the timing is good. You definitely need other analysis for that. Sometimes the signals only last for 1 bar, sometimes the moves actually go in the opposite direction to that predicted. You can't just buy the software and become a millionaire (yep, I know they all say that as a lead to "yes you can"...). I took pretty similar trades without the Flux chart, so it's not the only way to do it (that's another reason I'm not rushing out to buy the software).

I have about 10 different charts I'm using to look at one market (CL) - (none of which include a Moving Average). That many charts seems ridiculous too, but I'm not that good of a trader with just price action, so I need some help. They all have their own features & when they line up, the trade is usually good. If all trades went as well as yesterday (and Wednesday after the Crude Stock Report), I'd be loading up the contracts and making a killing. I'm not there yet, hopefully soon.

There are a lot of really good traders posting on this site and I've learned a lot reading their comments. Of course, there are some that are trying to run a scam just like everywhere else. You have to do your research and figure it out, because often you don't know who to trust or what their agenda is (I've read a whole lot of stuff on BTTF including exposures of scam trading site reviewers, but that is another topic - just Google it).

Now I'm not attempting to promote my trading style/methods either. I'm still figuring them out myself. I'm not starting my own thread and won't respond to any questions on what I'm doing (sorry, but I just don't have the time).

My thanks to Big Mike for providing this site. It definitely is the best available.

What I am attempting to post here is:

1 - My 610 tick chart showing my trades for the day (until interrupted) - Man, I wish they were all like this.
2 - My Rithmic dashboard showing the P&L for the day
3 - The Flux chart (received after the event). I could go back & find the deleted email from earlier in the week that would have included these signal times, but I'm not going to because I know the signals will be the same.
4 - A 5000 tick chart showing some market geometry I was using (along with a random SIM trade that I forgot about - I usually use a stop). I originally set this up as a 30000 tick chart but have reduced it to 5000 for clarity.

(Attachments via my Google Drive, so if viewing this weeks or months from now, the files won't be there. Please don't ask me to look for them!)

1 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7UEw3dlFxanpWTE0
2 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7RmxpeG40bDlfX3c
3 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7SFNtR0NpWUFnVFE
4 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7dkdZT1NIRTVXMjg

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Hi Forgiven, Thank you for a balanced and sensible response. I agree with what you are saying. I'm not promoting any vendor or software, just responding to an earlier comment that something was 100% BS (I thought that statement was flippant and ill-informed) <<--KEY POINT. But we all say things like that sometimes, so no big deal.

If I can work out how to post a couple of images here & it is not against the forum rules, I'll show you my trades from yesterday - from around the London open up to the point I got side-tracked with this conversation. I also point out that I just started a Topstep Combine yesterday too (you can see my account name starting with Jan11 on the Rithmic dashboard). I've passed a couple of Combines before & had a funded account, but screwed it up so am starting again (I mentioned something previously about not having spare cash, which is why I'm using Topstep - who I don't represent either.)

Unfortunately, it is now the 12th so the Rithmic dashboard (used to register Topstep trades) doesn't show all the trades, just the total which includes profit, less commissions for the day. You can see my trades on the 610 tick chart so you can figure it out. I've also posted a Flux chart for the same time period. I did not use this chart as I only just received it by a promotional/review email. The signals were generated ahead of time and look pretty good to me. While BTTF don't give free trials, they do send out the predicted signals for a couple of markets each & every week for Wed & Thur (they send them ahead of time if you register for free). They then run a live review of the signals as they occur. I don't normally watch them, but looking at the CL chart, maybe I should. Anyway, my friend who lets me view his chart via screen share has a whole lot of stuff on his charts, mostly based around a 1 tick Renko and it doesn't look as simple as this. He is in the US and wasn't out of bed when I took my trades so I didn't have his screen share either.

The attached Flux chart is just one of many ways the signals can be presented. It looks ridiculously simple here, but the actual extent of the moves don't always work this well, even if the timing is good. You definitely need other analysis for that. Sometimes the signals only last for 1 bar, sometimes the moves actually go in the opposite direction to that predicted. You can't just buy the software and become a millionaire (yep, I know they all say that as a lead to "yes you can"...). I took pretty similar trades without the Flux chart, so it's not the only way to do it (that's another reason I'm not rushing out to buy the software).

I have about 10 different charts I'm using to look at one market (CL) - (none of which include a Moving Average). That many charts seems ridiculous too, but I'm not that good of a trader with just price action, so I need some help. They all have their own features & when they line up, the trade is usually good. If all trades went as well as yesterday (and Wednesday after the Crude Stock Report), I'd be loading up the contracts and making a killing. I'm not there yet, hopefully soon.

There are a lot of really good traders posting on this site and I've learned a lot reading their comments. Of course, there are some that are trying to run a scam just like everywhere else. You have to do your research and figure it out, because often you don't know who to trust or what their agenda is (I've read a whole lot of stuff on BTTF including exposures of scam trading site reviewers, but that is another topic - just Google it).

Now I'm not attempting to promote my trading style/methods either. I'm still figuring them out myself. I'm not starting my own thread and won't respond to any questions on what I'm doing (sorry, but I just don't have the time).

My thanks to Big Mike for providing this site. It definitely is the best available.

What I am attempting to post here is:

1 - My 610 tick chart showing my trades for the day (until interrupted) - Man, I wish they were all like this.
2 - My Rithmic dashboard showing the P&L for the day
3 - The Flux chart (received after the event). I could go back & find the deleted email from earlier in the week that would have included these signal times, but I'm not going to because I know the signals will be the same.
4 - A 5000 tick chart showing some market geometry I was using (along with a random SIM trade that I forgot about - I usually use a stop). I originally set this up as a 30000 tick chart but have reduced it to 5000 for clarity.

(Attachments via my Google Drive, so if viewing this weeks or months from now, the files won't be there. Please don't ask me to look for them!)

1 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7UEw3dlFxanpWTE0
2 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7RmxpeG40bDlfX3c
3 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7SFNtR0NpWUFnVFE
4 - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4um_0YwIsK7dkdZT1NIRTVXMjg

i am very sorry if i made a comment that was degrading .... you received a hard time from me and jonny boy...because.we know the vendor... he has posted pretending to be a user...he does that kind of stuff...he also hypes the software... cherry picking screen shots an takes advantage of new traders ..3000 with no free trail or support ... over the long run if he quits the software will the uses less at some point...let me give you an example ..you said you have OFA well so do i..i paid 10,000 for life time software and education 7 years ago. well guess what DB. changed ever thing around and i had to pay 1400 for ninja and just F the life time education ...we have new instructors you have to pay now.. thousands... you see vendors have to keep selling you stuff...Jonny Boy is a good guy ..he is looking out like me for new trader...i ask this vendor for a free trail and he refused. now i would like to look at your stuff my self....i would like to know how it works i have a open mind... and you can post any thing you want as long as it is on subject.. i do not think your a vendor now so if i can help with anything send me a private message...

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you are using very small time frames and trading CL it has a lot of noise. it would be hard to see how it works on that ..move it to a 30 min. chart and use the 10 or 30 year U.S. bond futures . then look at the signals or the YM. if it works it should be fractal..meaning it should work on all time frames. what time frame are you using to I.D. the trend. that is the one that matters ...if you only have data for CL send 30min. for it. most of the pro trader i have seen using gann time studies or fib. time clusters trade FX,,they use E-waves and or median lines... when it pulls into the zone they look for a reversal candle and and time cycle conflunce ,,, but they use much higher time frames. 240 60 30 min. charting...

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Stating facts is one thing. Stating facts with proof other than words is something else altogether - that is what will warrant a conversation.

You think the indicators are "a bit expensive for me right now" - that is exactly the kind of tactic a vendor would use writing about their own product to steer people off of the scent of them being the actual poster.

That kind of says it all in my opinion. You have this amazing indicator right in front of you and you don't have the "spare cash" to buy it? C'mon man. That tells me everything right there.

Hi JB, I hope my last post has clarified my view / position a little. I just thought a couple of you guys were judging the product by someone who was promoting it. The product actually does have some merit but it's certainly not the whole answer to trading.

I've yet to see any product for sale that is not over promoted, in trading or otherwise. Doesn't matter if it is you selling your car, an ad for a vacuum cleaner or fitness product or whatever. Only the good points are promoted. Sometimes there is blatant dishonesty involved, other times it is just selective use of facts.

Anyway, enough of that. I went back to have a look at your trading journal. I haven't read it all, but what I have read is really honest and helpful. I think we're on the same page with a lot of stuff. Despite my post showing a very impressive trading day, this is my no means representative. I wish it was. I'm trying to be more mechanical / systems orientated, but I forget my dot points sometimes.

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i am very sorry if i made a comment that was degrading .... you received a hard time from me and jonny boy...because.we know the vendor... he has posted pretending to be a user...he does that kind of stuff...he also hypes the software... cherry picking screen shots an takes advantage of new traders ..3000 with no free trail or support ... over the long run if he quits the software will the uses less at some point...let me give you an example ..you said you have OFA well so do i..i paid 10,000 for life time software and education 7 years ago. well guess what DB. changed ever thing around and i had to pay 1400 for ninja and just F the life time education ...we have new instructors you have to pay now.. thousands... you see vendors have to keep selling you stuff...Jonny Boy is a good guy ..he is looking out like me for new trader...i ask this vendor for a free trail and he refused. now i would like to look at your stuff my self....i would like to know how it works i have a open mind... and you can post any thing you want as long as it is on subject.. i do not think your a vendor now so if i can help with anything send me a private message...

Hey, no problems. As per my comment to JonnyBoy, I thought you guys were judging the product (harshly) by the promoter.

I know there are no free trials, not sure why, but there are plenty of opportunities to review it live if you register, get the signals in advance & attend the live review. Not sure if this happens every Wed & Thur, but I have been getting regular emails providing links to signals in advance. I'm just reluctant to watch reviews/webinars during trading time - which in retrospect is a little stupid. As I said previously, most days recently I have been watching a friend's screen via screen share (for evaluation purposes only of course). Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes I forget to watch it as I'm concentrating on my own setups. Apart from Flux signals, he / we (group of 4, 1 other also uses Flux & other stuff) use divergence tools, market geometry (trend lines, channels, pitchforks, etc.), and more stuff than I want to list.

If anyone wants some ideas on drawing lines on charts, have a look at John FTSEman on YouTube. He does some really interesting videos. Look for Action Reaction Lines (ACR) for example. His videos started off very amateurish (sort of still are, but he's not selling anything), but they've got some very good content. I found an ACR line (after the event) that picked the bottom of the crude move on Friday exactly. Just wish I saw it beforehand.

I'm surprised you couldn't sort something out with OFA, I didn't think JB was that much of a hard ass. You must have bought the legacy system before the move to NT at that price. I have the last NT version before release of the algo package. I still use it, but couldn't trade with it alone. Overall I've found the OFA people and product very good. They really made a blunder with the Chip Cole Bonds course though. From what I saw on the guys twitter feed he had plenty of money, but he sure wasn't making it during the live trading room I paid good money for. He could have got breakeven, but I doubt anyone that followed him did. I didn't try to see what happened in the end, I just stopped paying. A couple of other trainers were very good with either courses or trade rooms, but I just couldn't see the things they were seeing in real time. I started my own room as a breakaway from the Bonds course and we had one of the other OFA traders join us. After a while we went in different directions.

The trade results I posted previously were outstanding. Including a SIM trade that I forgot I put on, I would have made I think 190 ticks from a 132 tick range day on CL (the SIM was running concurrently, the other trades were separate). I crashed and burned Friday giving a lot of profit back. Not following my (basic) rules, not seeing the obvious, etc. Most of that was from the London open to the S&P open. I only posted that stuff to show I'm not completely full of shit and that the BTTF signals made sense on the day (even if I didn't have them at the time). I'm yet to claim I've "made it" as a trader, despite spending 10, 12, even 18 hours a day researching, testing & trading. Keep thinking I'm close, then get my arse (ass) kicked.

I'll consider some of you other comments etc. when I get to it. Thanks.

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i did not have to buy OFA ninja..i did receive 50% of...i was using that as a example of the danger in buying 3 party software...the vendors go out of business in general they have to keep selling...D.B. is no different...that is why you see all the different educators ..an OFA algo i could have bought all that stuff at a deep discount... but in 2 years will he still be there or will it be some new b.s. now as far as back to the future goes ...he makes people mad...he made me mad , JhonnyBoy...i think big mike too just reviewing post. if you take the time to google his reviews on other sights it is far worse they hate him review after review 100s of them. we are good to him compared to other places. i just ask for a trail and he was nasty. no way would i pay for software with out a trail...if it was worth while i might of bought it... i do not no the guy but he makes people mad. if i was him i would give every one on big mikes a free trail..no tell how much he could sell even its bad he would still sell a ton. for me no free trail is a no starter..

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You'll have to recognise that software such as OFA and BTTF (not putting them in the same camp) are outright purchases. The only future charges are for say new versions for updated platforms (NT7 to NT8 for example). It shouldn't matter too much if the vendor goes out of business in the short term as the software will still work (maybe not if they have some way or reason to cancel your licence).

My NT7 OFA should work for years on NT7. If I move to NT8 I can still run NT7 side-by-side if I want. Not doing that yet as I have more NT7 dependent stuff than NT8. Only issue is that the processor intensive indicators I have are all still NT7.

If I want the new OFA Algo package, I would have to buy it for NT8, or integrated with Multiwave or Tradovate (both recently released).

I bought Bookmap through Stage5 brokerage, outright & for a discount. It takes data via an indicator that must be installed on one open NT7 or NT8* chart (say on your default workspace). I could also run it via the free S5Trader or independently from IQFeed. Now they've changed to a subscription model which I wouldn't be so keen on as a new customer (the suppliers are Velox).

* - I just realised the last Bookmap update included an indicator link for NT8. Have to try that as NT7 freezes on very fast data.

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any time you buy out wright any third party software ...you have no idea if the vendor will even be there a week. you have to keep re buying it if they are. if there are problems you have no idea how well it is supported, you have no idea how well the educational value of there over all program is... no idea...just send us 2000 to 10,000 trust us...lola most of the time it is a scam taking advantage on new traders that are looking for treasure maps... that is just the facts..i would not do that with any vendor ...if you want too .. i sure hope you do well with the program...good luck and good trading..

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That's actually a very real problem and not one that most vendors address when they start up. There's always this general assumption that they'll always be "around" and never goes away, which is almost always the case. It's important, I believe to have a "doomsday" plan - what happens to the code or the customers if the company dissolves or disbands? The most responsible companies agree to release their code for all versions of the platforms "unlocked" to the customers if the company ever stops selling that code. Unless you have that kind of guarantee in place, it's almost foolish to start up with them in the case you become dependent on the algorithm that drives the signals. . . .



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any time you buy out wright any third party software ...you have no idea if the vendor will even be there a week. you have to keep re buying it if they are. if there are problems you have no idea how well it is supported, you have no idea how well the educational value of there over all program is... no idea...just send us 2000 to 10,000 trust us...lola most of the time it is a scam taking advantage on new traders that are looking for treasure maps... that is just the facts..i would not do that with any vendor ...if you want too .. i sure hope you do well with the program...good luck and good trading..


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I stopped reading after this.


I want to formally apologize to the Futures IO community.

First - I'm a horrible forum poster. I can never accurately tell what people are feeling or thinking when they write something, and I'm really bad at communicating a response that doesn't come across as hostile, or agressive. When I write back, I'm basically an a**hole (reading my own posts back to myself, years later).

For this ^^^ I am sorry.

Second - I didn't handle this well, at all. The whole Sniper Scalping thing. It's a sh**tstorm in a can. And I botched it up, and made it worse.

Yes - of course we had an affiliation with Sniper Scalping. Of course we did. There's zero ways to deny it. I was trying to communicate that we (BTTFT) weren't Sniper Scalping on a company level. I stated that so people would know whatever crap storm they got into for compliance was their storm - not ours.

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I've always had a very hostile attitude coming in here and posting things and commenting. I honestly (repeating myself) am horrible at it. I always perceive people's attitudes in the forum however as hating anyone who builds tools with a website, which (in my mind) perpetuates this cycle. I just read one member accusing me (for example) of coming in here with a fake user profile and writing nice things about the software as a fake poster. I don't even think he knows Mike has IP detection in place to make sure that can't happen. That someone new can't post a review on something without a minimum number of prior posts. But the post is up there - and people read it and believe it - because everything on the internet is true. So I respond - and sound like an ass, and create more hostility............and it blows up even further.

I want to stop the cycle.

I can't change what other people write - or how they right it - but Mike himself said, "take the bricks other people throw at you and build something with them". At first I didn't like hearing that - it sounded patronizing, honestly. But Mike is the expert with this forum, and I thought - he must know what he's saying - so I'm listening.

I am sincerely apologetic for how I responded to the Sniper Scalping debacle. I blew it - and I'm very sorry.

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Moving forward - I have several questions.

First - does anyone have any questions about our involvement with Sniper Scalping - as an affiliate sales partner? I'm happy to answer them.

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Lastly - I'm very sorry (again). I screwed up.

Any suggestions for how I can be a more productive participant at Futures IO going forward?

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That's actually a very real problem and not one that most vendors address when they start up. There's always this general assumption that they'll always be "around" and never goes away, which is almost always the case. It's important, I believe to have a "doomsday" plan - what happens to the code or the customers if the company dissolves or disbands? The most responsible companies agree to release their code for all versions of the platforms "unlocked" to the customers if the company ever stops selling that code. Unless you have that kind of guarantee in place, it's almost foolish to start up with them in the case you become dependent on the algorithm that drives the signals. . . .

when the platform it runs on like ninja 7 for example is not supported . how are the traders with third party b.s. software going to move it to ninja 8. the code is not the same. when you buy third party software you are hung out to dry sooner or later. the traders here up date the free indicators for a platform faster than the ones you pay for. ( if the indicator is not here for free...you do not need it )

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Forgiven, my experience in the past with this has been fairly straightforward. And it applies equally to a program that was developed for free, and a program that was developed with encryption.

There are about 6 NT programmers that do that bulk of custom indicator development for the community of end users. With unlocked code, they can migrate the program for the customer to the new platform as a service (and do it all the time).

I'm in a similar situation now with an indicator from this site, the "Divergence Input Series" indicator. It's in the downloads section for 7, and not for 8. No one has any plans to develop it for 8, but I've recommended it to customers (who are using it) and have to pay to have it migrated (as open source) to NinjaTrader8. That was a free indicator. But the fact that those programmers can see the code - means they can migrate it over (even though it was a free tool).

The point is, make sure the tools you work with have that guarantee - that the vendors will unlock and distribute (doomsday) in the eventuality the company folds up their table. If they don't have an immediate well thought out response when asked, people should probably avoid that company IMO. Thanks for the thoughts on this though. It's a serious issue.



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when the platform it runs on like ninja 7 for example is not supported . how are the traders with third party b.s. software going to move it to ninja 8. the code is not the same. when you buy third party software you are hung out to dry sooner or later. the traders here up date the free indicators for a platform faster than the ones you pay for. ( if the indicator is not here for free...you do not need it )


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Forgiven, my experience in the past with this has been fairly straightforward. And it applies equally to a program that was developed for free, and a program that was developed with encryption.

There are about 6 NT programmers that do that bulk of custom indicator development for the community of end users. With unlocked code, they can migrate the program for the customer to the new platform as a service (and do it all the time).

I'm in a similar situation now with an indicator from this site, the "Divergence Input Series" indicator. It's in the downloads section for 7, and not for 8. No one has any plans to develop it for 8, but I've recommended it to customers (who are using it) and have to pay to have it migrated (as open source) to NinjaTrader8. That was a free indicator. But the fact that those programmers can see the code - means they can migrate it over (even though it was a free tool).

The point is, make sure the tools you work with have that guarantee - that the vendors will unlock and distribute (doomsday) in the eventuality the company folds up their table. If they don't have an immediate well thought out response when asked, people should probably avoid that company IMO. Thanks for the thoughts on this though. It's a serious issue.

you have to be kidding ( guarantees from a trading vendor ) lol lol he-ha . i will leave that question to folks reading this post, as to how much guarantees from trading vendors are worth.

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I've uploaded a second indicator to the Futures IO community downloads section for people that wanted a better signal than the Sniper Scalping signal that was being sold for Ninjatrader7, in the Ninjatrader7 downloads section.

This is a tool that we were using internally for scalping, and gave to customers that were not doing well with the Sniper Scalping System as an alternative entry in their studies.

[ SIDE NOTE In the past, I've allowed what has become a pervasive and dark cynicism internal from time to time in BMT/Futures IO to drive my replies and responses to posts on Futures IO, and become distracted from what the community was supposed to be - a support network for people who were attempting to do what was possibly the most difficult thing they'd ever attempted in their lives. I won't engage in the darker conversations with anyone who does not share that vision in the future. As such, we are deploying multiple downloads using tools that we have built over the next few weeks to help accomplish the vision Mike has for this community ]

Setups using Scalpel in the Downloads Section

There are 3 possible entries worth exploring with the Scalpel Signal (please go to the downloads section and search the NinjaTrader7 downloads section for the "Scalpel Signal" zip file we created for you).

Entry one is a mean reversion entry - using any one of a number of mean reversion confirmation tools (VWAP, Donchian, Keltner, Bollinger) for possible entries. You may find a bar that whose body is fully outside the deviation value a higher probability entry and more likely to return to the mean faster than a non-close bar.

I find mean reversion trading harder to follow, and would suggest instead a trend entry signal. The signal is equipped with an EMA trend filter, that you can adjust higher or lower to follow the trend closely, or further away. The signal, when actuated, generally falls away from the arrow either directly at the close, with a maximum of 1 bar height above as a tolerable risk area. You can use the opposite signal as a potential exit, or deploy a 2:1 risk reward ratio at entry (risking 8 to make 16, etc).

Increasing the SIGNAL and the WARNING parameters in NinjaTrader will decrease the number of signals shown in the chart space. No more than 7 as a higher value. Decreasing the value (no lower than 3 or 4) will create a higher number of signals -

A higher number of signals can be more desireable in a trend trading environment as shown in the attachments to this post. Similarly, watch for a close above or below the counter trend signal as confirmation of a scalping trend continuation.

The prior method of the Sniper Scalping System was based on a multi-time-frame MA crossover which many traders had difficulty anticipating, something that is critical in a scalping system I think (the signal can happen so fast that there's no way you could get filled at the entry indicated) . The Scalpel signal therefore has a warning signal, painting the bars as you move into a signal and notifying you that a signal is coming, as opposed to the Sniper signals that would appear very quickly and without warning because of the inherent lag.

You can also download the OSCILLATOR ALERT indicator that we uploaded for the community last month. This scalping indicator can work very well as a scalping indicator for fast quick profits, especially when deployed against the FISHER TRANSFORM tool in the NinjaTrader indicator list.

Please PM me if you want assistance setting up a chart with this tool, or the OSCILLATOR ALERT tool we uploaded for scalping members. I'd be happy to help with any questions anyone has. You'll find this a more powerful alternative to anything that was sold under the Sniper banner and not have to spend $2,000 learning how to use it.

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Anyone who missed downloading this indicator before it was removed from the site (I assume because it was uploaded as a DLL) missed a damn good indicator.

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Anyone who missed downloading this indicator before it was removed from the site (I assume because it was uploaded as a DLL) missed a damn good indicator.

Thanks Michael

Yes, it violated site rules (obfuscated DLL). He is welcome to post it again without DLL.

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