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 ewex 
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Has anyone tried this system? I can't find any reviews online. Thanks!

Have you tried these guys out yet?

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They seem to have beautiful result:

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Have you tried these guys out yet?

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I've subscribed for two weeks now. About an hour prior to the open you get an email with about 10 lines on the ES where price should turn. There is no direction on how tonier them at all, just a suggestion that price may turn there. If you want the rules, you have to buy a trading manual for another $350. The founder claims 3-5 trades usually in that first hour with about 90% accuracy using the rules. Without the rules, you're just guessing. The lines do see to offer change or turns on some of them but you need to rules to know when to ignore some and when to take a trade. I can't tell yet if it's a scam or not. He will not let you talk to any users so you're left guessing as to whether it really works or not.

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It is always the same story. Some professional web sales men create a new website to take away money from fools. Sorry, if I am quite explicit.

This is what the snake oil selling websites always offer you:

- very impressive results, only winners
- the assertion that you do not need to be experienced
- no information disclosed on trading methods
- no manual available prior to purchase

Every serious website will tell you that

- there will be losers
- that you need education
- will disclose the trading method
- will make a manual available

This site is probably a waste of time.

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Haven't used it but it has all the characteristics of a bad deal. I can give you some lines to look for on the ES each day, for free; they're called support, resistance and pivot levels.

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90%? Given enough time and capital and no stops, I can give you 90% too!

Personally, I feel it reflects badly on NT to be essentially endorsing a lot of these marginal players in their News and Announcements forum area.

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Hey bashers like Fat Tails and heywally,

Love the way you continue showing your ignorance by bashing websites or trading methods you know nothing about - keep on and you will continue just roaming in forums like this instead of making profits trading...

by the way, big mike, I thought hateful messages were not allowed on your forum - why are you only correcting energetic who posted someting truthful yet allowing bashers ,like heywally and fattails, to spew ignorant and hateful content when they are truly clueless ??? is it perhaps they are trading "educators" who have never traded a day in their lives and feel threatended by eminipivottrading.com ??? I would love to hear why fat tails and hey wally are not held up to the same standard as everybody else. It does not reflect well on your foum big mike to have ignorauses like hey wally and fat tails running amok without any oversight on your part.

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Harry

Have you joined here to protect eminipivottrading.com

You have joined today and first person you have attacked is FatTails.

If you look in this Forum and see what Fat Tails has delivered and offered to us all to use is nothing short of amazing and in his own personal time.

Why not you come here and offer something worthwhile or put up your art works or indicators.

Just because you dont agree with their comments doesnt mean that you can attack them


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Before the back and forth commences with yet another website/method that will create a momentary audience to your site. Harry handling criticism is part of the game. If you truly believe your method/site is misrepresented. I recommend following the steps of Felton. Fat Tails is the last person that would criticize without merit. Cheers.

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This will only be the first of it to come. Since the new NT7 is so far fully secured and cannot be cracked (which I am glad). Watch and see who and what comes out of the wood work. Third party prices will only go higher and Ninja will endorse any and everybody. Like one of our vendor states in futures.io (formerly BMT), if they cannot show a statements, and or 2 years worth of track records, and watch over thier shoulder, then DO NOT DO IT. I think I may have bought and tried anything that said they would produce a profit, and nothing worked, until I could believe and prove that it worked. The bottom line is this, since 2001, none of the people I bought from are in business TODAY. Fat tails is 100% correct....if you are going to spend your hard earned money, make them (any vendor prove it). IF they can't, then walk away....oops...run. Also, PLEASE let me know who can trade at 90%, I want to see this in AUGUST. ALso, heywally, exactly to your point as well! I will take 70%, and $25 per car, and make 100K and be very happy at that.


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Haven't used it but it has all the characteristics of a bad deal. I can give you some lines to look for on the ES each day, for free; they're called support, resistance and pivot levels.

Daily Notes - Metrics for Day Traders

90%? Given enough time and capital and no stops, I can give you 90% too!

Personally, I feel it reflects badly on NT to be essentially endorsing a lot of these marginal players in their News and Announcements forum area.


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Harry,

No one here is BASHING. It's that we have seen this happen time and time again, we just want these so-called EDUCATORS to show us the money....simply prove the claims-and anyone who can trade for a living and say I have a system that is 90%, and I can give it to you, is a flat out LIAR.

We al know that a huge majority fail, I have seen it with my friends over the years. Once again, show me the money, and a system that includes, how to read price action, and control your emotions. To tell you the truth, the last 2 items will cost you over 4000 to 10000 hours of screen time, not a so-called 90% SYSTEM. Holy Grail=Look in the Mirror, it is each one of us.

BTW, Fat tails, is an icon here, and provides more help here then any one I have seen in a forum. Before, you rack him, see who you are criticizing. He is always the first one in line to help. SO just go easy, he was only speaking thru years of EDUCATORS reality which a lot of us have personally seen in our years of trading. Why, do you think futures.io (formerly BMT) started this awesome forum. Again, show me the money, not just say it. If they will not prove, since they cannot prove it, then walk away. Same old story...right...Fat Tails.

One other point....we do not need to be held so-called accountable, simply we are not stating hand over your money, and we will show you what is in our little bag. We are here to help and be helped, and not simply put up a web site, and make claims that we have a 90% method, without an ounce of proof.

BTW, Harry....how long will you be around, since we are all "ignorauses" here. Frankly, no one here has threatened or is threatening anyone, you are the one calling names, we just call it as we have seen it, and it took me over 15-20K before I started saying "show me the money", show me poof to believe what is being stated behind an possibility empty website. If they were really proud of the 90%, then put a personal name on it, with a picture. To me that is all the proof that it does not work, as stated. No hard feelings, just understand what we are saying, the proof is not one us, we are not making the claims of 90%, and donít want peopleís money. We do it here for free. I will show you my 73% template, and 93% today...for free.

Charts Courtesy of Sharky, The Wizard and Fat Tails, Dollar signs, courtesy of about 8K in hours, a loving wife, and many non refundable systems that where really a bunch of indicators, with a little loose discipline.

Ok, Big Mike, I will take my 3 days in the corner, for being such and "ignorauses like hey wally and fat tails running amok without any oversight on your part" Harry, have fun at the school of hard knocks, I really hope you can survive-I do mean that sincerely. Take Care-Mark


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Hey bashers like Fat Tails and heywally,

Love the way you continue showing your ignorance by bashing websites or trading methods you know nothing about - keep on and you will continue just roaming in forums like this instead of making profits trading...

by the way, big mike, I thought hateful messages were not allowed on your forum - why are you only correcting energetic who posted someting truthful yet allowing bashers ,like heywally and fattails, to spew ignorant and hateful content when they are truly clueless ??? is it perhaps they are trading "educators" who have never traded a day in their lives and feel threatended by eminipivottrading.com ??? I would love to hear why fat tails and hey wally are not held up to the same standard as everybody else. It does not reflect well on your foum big mike to have ignorauses like hey wally and fat tails running amok without any oversight on your part.


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Ok, 90% successful trades 1 tick profit. 10% trades 20 tick loss.

Sounds great to me!

Real simple. If you were truly profitable, why does the 'master' need to teach for money etc..? I have heard it all before a bazillion times and they are all excuses that I will truly never understand where they are coming from because I am not yet a profitable trader blah blah blah....

If the person earns more money from courses than trading, they are an educator and not a trader. Fat Tails is a rock star.... He is spot on.

I wish the NFA would start laying the smack down on these guys.

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....
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Third party prices will only go higher and Ninja will endorse any and everybody.
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Yes, like a lot of businesses, there is a big one-hand-washes-the-other component in the trading biz that everyone should keep in mind ... kind of like a huge multi-level marketing scheme.

And as far as Harry mentioning my running amok, here is a better example of that:

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 SunTzuTrader 
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So far it seems like am the only one who has actual knowledge of the site or the system so I'll provide an update. After watching how the market reacted to the lines for several weeks, I elected to purchase the manual which shares the trading rules for trading the lines. The rules are straightforward and fairly simple and seem to work. When I look back over the last few weeks and apply the rules, I basically get the same results the owner claims. The rules are very clear on where and how to enter but allow you to manage the trade as you see fit, which is all I was looking for.

Upside to the program - you get lines daily and a clear set of rules to use them AND they appear to be profitable.
Downside - no clue where he gets the lines so you are totally depending on the service and not actually learning how to trade if that's important to you.
Other thoughts - all I am sharing is my experience. I do not know, nor have I seen, a 90% win rate. The sample size is just not great enough. The win rate has been very good, certainly highly profitable for the last several weeks. He shares results going back quite some time. He makes no guarantees of any kind so you are risking $385 plus $70 pet month. Finally he is launchinga trading room soon which was one of the reasons I decided to try the system. It's fairly easy to scam someone but if you have to call trades right in front of them and live with those results, it's a lot harder.

Overall, I'm pleased so far but will update as time goes on. I have found the owner, Sam, a very responsive i dividual to deal with. I have no connection with the site or service except as a user.

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I have also bought the ebook and tried the signal lines service for 2 week.
I am not sure whether my review is objective or subjective.
I just want to share with you what I feel.

I have similar review as "SunTzuTrader".
My review highlight as follows:

Cons:
1. They said they are 90% winning but the sample size is too small to be significant. They only have a few month data.
2. It is too risky to trade based on their signal because how the signal lines generated is secret.

Pros:
1 Only trade in the first hour.
2.The provider Sam is nice to answer all questions.




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So far it seems like am the only one who has actual knowledge of the site or the system so I'll provide an update. After watching how the market reacted to the lines for several weeks, I elected to purchase the manual which shares the trading rules for trading the lines. The rules are straightforward and fairly simple and seem to work. When I look back over the last few weeks and apply the rules, I basically get the same results the owner claims. The rules are very clear on where and how to enter but allow you to manage the trade as you see fit, which is all I was looking for.

Upside to the program - you get lines daily and a clear set of rules to use them AND they appear to be profitable.
Downside - no clue where he gets the lines so you are totally depending on the service and not actually learning how to trade if that's important to you.
Other thoughts - all I am sharing is my experience. I do not know, nor have I seen, a 90% win rate. The sample size is just not great enough. The win rate has been very good, certainly highly profitable for the last several weeks. He shares results going back quite some time. He makes no guarantees of any kind so you are risking $385 plus $70 pet month. Finally he is launchinga trading room soon which was one of the reasons I decided to try the system. It's fairly easy to scam someone but if you have to call trades right in front of them and live with those results, it's a lot harder.

Overall, I'm pleased so far but will update as time goes on. I have found the owner, Sam, a very responsive i dividual to deal with. I have no connection with the site or service except as a user.

ST


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What is the size of a typical stop loss?
Is the Stop Loss placements based in any way the levels given each day?
Is there a minimum Profit Target?
Do they have Trade Management rules that they follow and teach so that if followed exactly, anybody could get their posted results?

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The rules in the manual are under a non-disclosure agreement so I can't reveal much on how you specifically handle the trades. If you ask the owner, he'll answer most of these questions and after reading the manual, I found his answers to all be truthful.

He does have suggested profit targets and trade management rules but also suggests you trade each entry as you see fit. Most of the manual is about how to handle the entries and when NOT to take a trade. Clearly that is important since not every trade will work and the more you can eliminate potential losers, the better.

With regards to results, I'm not getting 90% winners after the several weeks of practice but am getting almost 80%, which is pretty good. I'm also not getting the exact points results he posts. He tends to posts the absolute best case so take that into consideration as you make your decision. Regardless, what I am getting is agreement on which trades to take. So the manual is removing almost all the subjectivity. I'm entering the same trades at the same time as other users, with basically the same stop and taking part off at a certain point, moving my stop loss up and leaving the trailing contracts for subsequent targets. That's all pretty standard good money management techniques. And I am only trading the first hour of the day.

Hopefully this is helpful. I will continue to share my experiences if it is beneficial. Obviously I'm not going to violate the terms of the confidentiality agreement.

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Here is a quick update after trading this live for about a week now.

First, the rules aren't quite as straightforward as they first seem. You really don't realize that till you are trading live.

Secondly, it is very difficult to get the same posted results as the founder. I'm not saying you can't get them but there are two problems: 1) there can be a couple of choices of taking the trades and if you don't take them the same way he does, you will get a different result 2) he reports the absolute best result as I have stated before

Nevertheless, most days have been profitable so the lines do have some validity, however he comes up with them. Will it be possible to continue to trade with these disparities? I'm not sure yet. You have to have confidence in a system to trade consistently.

More to come.

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Harry,

No one here is BASHING. It's that we have seen this happen time and time again, we just want these so-called EDUCATORS to show us the money....simply prove the claims-and anyone who can trade for a living and say I have a system that is 90%, and I can give it to you, is a flat out LIAR.

We al know that a huge majority fail, I have seen it with my friends over the years. Once again, show me the money, and a system that includes, how to read price action, and control your emotions. To tell you the truth, the last 2 items will cost you over 4000 to 10000 hours of screen time, not a so-called 90% SYSTEM. Holy Grail=Look in the Mirror, it is each one of us.

BTW, Fat tails, is an icon here, and provides more help here then any one I have seen in a forum. Before, you rack him, see who you are criticizing. He is always the first one in line to help. SO just go easy, he was only speaking thru years of EDUCATORS reality which a lot of us have personally seen in our years of trading. Why, do you think futures.io (formerly BMT) started this awesome forum. Again, show me the money, not just say it. If they will not prove, since they cannot prove it, then walk away. Same old story...right...Fat Tails.

One other point....we do not need to be held so-called accountable, simply we are not stating hand over your money, and we will show you what is in our little bag. We are here to help and be helped, and not simply put up a web site, and make claims that we have a 90% method, without an ounce of proof.

BTW, Harry....how long will you be around, since we are all "ignorauses" here. Frankly, no one here has threatened or is threatening anyone, you are the one calling names, we just call it as we have seen it, and it took me over 15-20K before I started saying "show me the money", show me poof to believe what is being stated behind an possibility empty website. If they were really proud of the 90%, then put a personal name on it, with a picture. To me that is all the proof that it does not work, as stated. No hard feelings, just understand what we are saying, the proof is not one us, we are not making the claims of 90%, and donít want peopleís money. We do it here for free. I will show you my 73% template, and 93% today...for free.

Charts Courtesy of Sharky, The Wizard and Fat Tails, Dollar signs, courtesy of about 8K in hours, a loving wife, and many non refundable systems that where really a bunch of indicators, with a little loose discipline.

Ok, Big Mike, I will take my 3 days in the corner, for being such and "ignorauses like hey wally and fat tails running amok without any oversight on your part" Harry, have fun at the school of hard knocks, I really hope you can survive-I do mean that sincerely. Take Care-Mark

Pleas can you post the BBT_VPINtra BBtVolume pressure, along with template .

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I tried a week-long trial run of the system. I had the manual and received the PPN numbers for a week.

I was successful so I've decided to sign-up. It's a monthly recurring payment, so I'll give myself a month or two to decide if the system is for me.

I'll report back my findings here.

I've been in discussions with Sam, the guy that runs the site, and he has clarified a few points for me.

On the whole the rules are simple, however at this point I'd say the manual is not written as clearly as it could be. Don't get me wrong - the rules are in there, however it's not until you see some live examples that you really understand what's going on.

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Here is a quick update after trading this live for about a week now.

First, the rules aren't quite as straightforward as they first seem. You really don't realize that till you are trading live.

Secondly, it is very difficult to get the same posted results as the founder. I'm not saying you can't get them but there are two problems: 1) there can be a couple of choices of taking the trades and if you don't take them the same way he does, you will get a different result 2) he reports the absolute best result as I have stated before

Nevertheless, most days have been profitable so the lines do have some validity, however he comes up with them. Will it be possible to continue to trade with these disparities? I'm not sure yet. You have to have confidence in a system to trade consistently.

More to come.

Hi SunTzuTrader and other users of eminipivottrading,

If you or some else joins their Trade Room could you post your experience?
I would be particularly interested in the following points:

If someone joined the trade room would they be able follow along without purchasing the manual and the levels?
Do they call their trades in advance?
How much time do you usually have to determine if you have a valid setup?
Do they call out their Profit Target and how they are managing their trade?
The last question is asked to see if the creators of the system get the results that they post on the website.

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Hi SunTzuTrader and other users of eminipivottrading,

If you or some else joins their Trade Room could you post your experience?
I would be particularly interested in the following points:

If someone joined the trade room would they be able follow along without purchasing the manual and the levels?
Do they call their trades in advance?
How much time do you usually have to determine if you have a valid setup?
Do they call out their Profit Target and how they are managing their trade?
The last question is asked to see if the creators of the system get the results that they post on the website.

It is impossible to achieve the results from their website as they just represent Maximum Favorable Excursion, not actual trading results.

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I agree with SawDr. Results quoted are not what you could achieve trading live. You would have to have perfect fills to the tick AND know exactly where to exit in advance in most cases.

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I agree with SawDr. Results quoted are not what you could achieve trading live. You would have to have perfect fills to the tick AND know exactly where to exit in advance in most cases.

Is that for the entries also?
Meaning that if the stop is not hit, do they use the total amount of points from (top to bottom) or (bottom to top) of the move to get how they calculate their points?
I have also been in rooms where if it touches their entry and touches their exit it is counted as a winning trade, and there may have been only few contracts traded at either price. Do they count these as trades?
Also,
How long is the manual?
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Here is the information I received regarding their Trade Room



The trade room is text based only for better clarity for everyone.
The room is for informational purposes. There will be no charts - there will be entries, several targets and a stop given.
The stop will always be less than 2.5 points.
Where a trader ultimately exits or which trade a trader takes etc. is up to them, of course.
They will only provide information.

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Ben, the manual is fairly short, which I see as a good thing. If you can't share your rules in a few pages, it's not so simple.

If you check out the videos or buy the service, you will see there are prices provided to trade against. You have three choices at every price - buy, sell or do nothing. This is what the manual purports to provide guidance on.

I too am very curious how he will handle the room since it will be difficult to claim 6 ticks profit if you didn't call that as a target in advance. The manual provides suggested stops and targets, which is fine, everyone has their own tolerance ranges, however, the results he posts do not align with the targets in the manual, they are best case entries and exits. For example, price drops to a line, hits it to a tick and goes up 6 ticks, The founder will show 6 ticks as the result for that trade, even though you would have to had a perfect fill to get in since price didn't go past your line and you would have to have 6 ticks as your target in advance AND you would have to get a perfect fill on the exit since price didn't go past the six ticks. Those types of reports are hard to swallow.

Based on what I have seen thus far, I do not intend to join the trading room. I will be curious to hear from others what they learn but I'm going no further. The best I can say for the system is price does seem to turn at these lines on a regular basis.

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One thing prospective subscribers might want to check out is how these price buy/sell points compare to the pivot/support/resistance #'s available to anyone, every day, either through software indicators you can put up on your charts, or:

Daily Notes - Metrics for Day Traders

or, just through your own work, which tries to guesstimate where support/resistance areas are on say, a 15 minute (or some other time frame) chart.

With any price level that you consider support/resistance, "all" you then have to do is see how price behaves at that level and then punch the trade button to jump on when it reacts, up or down.

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I joined the room and I wasn't that impressed. Some days are winners, some are losers. If you had taken every trade for the last 3 weeks you would be down money. There's absolutely no way to get the results the owner claims. I wouldn't waste your time or money here. I think you could do just as well with regular pivot points and support/resistance lines from higher time frames like someone said earlier.

Feel free to ask any questions and I'll do what I can to help you out.

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Save your money,

This expensive service does NOT have anything unique or valuable to offer, IMHO . Anyone can obtain the same results by just looking at the prev day price action and using the Value Area Levels ( Market Profile ). Hope this helps.

The chart background comes out grey. Go to the actual video to see the white chart.

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Yes,

Alot of 'nuance'--especially for their 1st trade of the day.

One can interpret the 1st trade of the day (Supertrade) many different ways on an ambiguous open {pre-market the ES was moving down, so we faded the buy and sold short; you can jump in before the official open, etc...}.

One must also interpret buy and sell zones as being 'too close together.'

Etc...

I guarantee 10 traders buy this and they will ALL trade it differently; not a methodology or system that is unique in any form or fashion.

What about a HUGE range day that opens way up or lower; then new sets of S/R are calculated only by them.

This is a clusterf*ck.

Experienced traders don't need this.

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I've subscribed for two weeks now. About an hour prior to the open you get an email with about 10 lines on the ES where price should turn. There is no direction on how tonier them at all, just a suggestion that price may turn there. If you want the rules, you have to buy a trading manual for another $350. The founder claims 3-5 trades usually in that first hour with about 90% accuracy using the rules. Without the rules, you're just guessing. The lines do see to offer change or turns on some of them but you need to rules to know when to ignore some and when to take a trade. I can't tell yet if it's a scam or not. He will not let you talk to any users so you're left guessing as to whether it really works or not.

ST

I am now subscribed since April 25. I have traded live 12 working days following their method. My results righ now are per contract traded: Total Net Profit $162.50 (Long trades $-287.50, Short trades $450). Max. Drawdown $-625. Total number of trades 28. Percent profitable 78.57%. Of course this made during the first hour of trading only.
I think it is too early to have a sound opinion, based on my experience. I think I did not follow correctly their Manual all the time, so my results should have been better with more experience aplying the system.
Of course, taking into account that it is based on turning pivots they provide, you have the feeling that your added value is very small. In other words you are not really building skills for your future opportunities.

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Hello everyone!

Anyone have more info on this?
For to those who have already bought, think it is worthwhile or not?

Thanks

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Hello everyone!

Anyone have more info on this?
For to those who have already bought, think it is worthwhile or not?

Thanks

I bought it and was in the room for a month. I would say it's definitely not worth it. You can do just as well on your own using regular pivots and a good risk management strategy. Save your money!

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ehe
i have seen rptrader in there once or twice.. )

i was a subscriber too.
back then he didnt provide his new 6E service..

well,
i have to say that the guy is legit and his system works.
when you buy into the trading room (additional cost) he gives the "hi risk" and "okay to trade" targets, and it usually goes very well )

i have unsubscribed too, because his style (hour) does not match my time. he trades the first 90 minutes of the opening, and that is, in my timezone, the same hour i am in college. so not possible at all.
plus, this whole support/resistence idea behind his system, is too much for me.
it doesnt fit me, and i dont like the idea.. too frenetic for me.
ironically, once again, it works

he also has a 8 ticks stop rule, which i dont like. specialy in the morning(he only trades the first 90 minutes), a bounce can easily happen from much more than just 8 ticks.

i do recommend buy his manual and subscribe for just one month to his trading room. and thats it.
then you get the idea behind it, and you can unsubscribe and keep doing it by yourself.

HOWEVER, one thing intrigues me, where in the f.. does he get those numbers ?
i have managed to nail some exact number using, camarilla pivots and average pivots..
i still havent been able to figure out where all his numbers come from. (even though, i am almost sure, its all through s/r.. whether it is fibonnacci, woodies, camarilla) i just know its there..
anyway, since i dont trade it anymore, i dont bother looking for it.

long story short,
i think its worth buying the manual and subscribing to the service (specially the trading room) for at least one month. once you are in the trading room, you pretty quickly realize how it all works, and after that one month you can unsubscribe. one day in the room equals one month reading the manual. well, at least it was for me. you have a much clear vision by reading him in the room. and then, you can deeply understand the manual.

HIS 6E SERVICE has been a total failure for me.
and his weekly results are too pumped. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THIS WEEK WE MADE 90+ POINTS" not true.
the way he calculates those points are completely unrealistic.
you do make points, but far from his weekly results.

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I bought it and was in the room for a month. I would say it's definitely not worth it. You can do just as well on your own using regular pivots and a good risk management strategy. Save your money!

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Once again...another vendor that's nothing but a CHARLATAN TRADER!!!

rt,

you see
i wouldnt go that far to call the guy a chalatan.
ive been there, and it works.
but at the same time, i do agree with you, there is no "breakthrough" in his system.
you can acquire everything here at bmt.
acctually, i am about to see any vendor out there who can present us with something it cant be found here..
however, i keep on digging and every other month i subscribe to a service to see how it works

boomerang scalp + mohan daily forecast (okay system, nothing amazing. but okay)
eminipivottrading
daytradetowin (the infamous jphn paul.. who sued bmt) - and even him got his merits
rampage (good, legit, but boring)
intentional traders (this guys are nice, very honest)
indicators4u (very good!!!) its a 77years old guy, its a simple indicator can be easily replicated , however i do take my hat off to this guy.
trading123

probably some others i cant remember now..
but as i said, every other month i subscribe to something, i see it as investing in myself, i get the money i make, and put back to the market

i had nice surprises, like the guy at indicators4u, and of course, got very dissapointed at some vendors/systems..
but thats how life goes.. we make some right choices.. some wron ones, by the end of the day your balance got to be heavier for the good side. not the bad one

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rt,

you see
i wouldnt go that far to call the guy a chalatan.
ive been there, and it works.
but at the same time, i do agree with you, there is no "breakthrough" in his system.
you can acquire everything here at bmt.
acctually, i am about to see any vendor out there who can present us with something it cant be found here..
however, i keep on digging and every other month i subscribe to a service to see how it works

boomerang scalp + mohan daily forecast (okay system, nothing amazing. but okay)
eminipivottrading
daytradetowin (the infamous jphn paul.. who sued bmt) - and even him got his merits
rampage (good, legit, but boring)
intentional traders (this guys are nice, very honest)
indicators4u (very good!!!) its a 77years old guy, its a simple indicator can be easily replicated , however i do take my hat off to this guy.
trading123

probably some others i cant remember now..
but as i said, every other month i subscribe to something, i see it as investing in myself, i get the money i make, and put back to the market

i had nice surprises, like the guy at indicators4u, and of course, got very dissapointed at some vendors/systems..
but thats how life goes.. we make some right choices.. some wron ones, by the end of the day your balance got to be heavier for the good side. not the bad one

Is there a webiste for 'indicators4u' that anyone knows a link for?

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rampage (good, legit, but boring)

What do you know about rampage trading? If its profitable, why do you care if its boring? I've always wondered about them.

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What do you know about rampage trading? If its profitable, why do you care if its boring? I've always wondered about them.

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Is there a webiste for 'indicators4u' that anyone knows a link for?

peace

r247

i was going to ask you to search on google, since i didnt know if it was against the rules to put the link of a vendor here.. since big mike posted the link for rampage, i believe its okay to do so.

the website is, NINJA TRADER INDICATORS


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What do you know about rampage trading? If its profitable, why do you care if its boring? I've always wondered about them.


definetly, "boring" was a misguiding and very confusing word.
what i trully meant by boring is = not fit my trading style.
the guys stay from pre open to close in a trading room, chatting, discussing the market overall, calling out entries and exits, its a very friendly environment for people who like this kind of thing its amazing, i cant.
i got to be in class starting 7:30 almost everyday.. acctually thats one of the reason i cancelled eminipivottrading.. i remember i would move to the back of the class , and find a table just to focus on his lines(lines = the eminipivot system) and turned out i was acctually having some success at empt system, but having a professor staring at you pissed, is not nice.. so i cancelled. ) same for rampage. both are nice.. its up to you and the lifestyle you want to

as i read bigmike forum, and its traders lifestyle, experiences, issues.. one thing i realized i dont have, hope never to, is overtrading

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i was going to ask you to search on google, since i didnt know if it was against the rules to put the link of a vendor here.. since big mike posted the link for rampage, i believe its okay to do so.

FYI, I posted a link to a futures.io (formerly BMT) thread discussing and reviewing Rampage.

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A few months ago I signed up to try out this service. The idea of trading off pivot values is not new of course, however the pivot values provided did appear to be relatively unique and I started with some success.

As it went on, though, the wins and loses seemed much more random. Also, the idea of paying for a monthly service to get numbers, but then having to pay extra for a manual to tell you how to use the numbers seems like a rip-off.

If you believe in pivot point trading then I'd suggest just experimenting with the free indicators out there and avoiding this service.

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Has anyone tried this system? I can't find any reviews online. Thanks!

Sorry to say I just signed up for the service. First day results, one winner for 1pt, three losers for 2pts each. I asked for a refund after paying and receiving trading rules, (before I used the service...at all) was told "No Refunds". Stay away. You'll loose when you pay for the service, you'll loose if you try to trade their system.

Wish I had spent more time reading through this tread before I put down my money. Should have known better.

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thanks...well i get their emails sometimes and they boast big wins like" 10 for 10" wins...ect...but i guess they overlook all the losses?


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Sorry to say I just signed up for the service. First day results, one winner for 1pt, three losers for 2pts each. I asked for a refund after paying and receiving trading rules, (before I used the service...at all) was told "No Refunds". Stay away. You'll loose when you pay for the service, you'll loose if you try to trade their system.

Wish I had spent more time reading through this tread before I put down my money. Should have known better.


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To put it bluntly; they suck!

I can pretty much make nearly any method/system b.e. to slightly profitable--however, their 'room' and the way they 'massage' the numbers is utter b*llshit.

I buy alot of commercial methods and trial many more (it is fun for me and I like the distraction from methods I use that do work for me) and this one is deceptive.

Just say no.

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I'm glad I asked a lot of questions before making a decision to sign up. I finally got the owner to relent and tell me that his high win percentage is based on using a 6 tick stop and a 4 tick profit target. This is one red flag. The second, which come through abundantly clear from folks who have signed up is that the rules are not mechanical.

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I'm glad I asked a lot of questions before making a decision to sign up. I finally got the owner to relent and tell me that his high win percentage is based on using a 6 tick stop and a 4 tick profit target. This is one red flag. The second, which come through abundantly clear from folks who have signed up is that the rules are not mechanical.

Indeed! You just saved yourself both time and money!

Keep looking for a good Reward:Risk method that makes sense to you and one that you would be okay taking several thousand trades with that method.

Why? Cause once you find a method that works with the above parameters, you'll be doing several thousand trades over time (daytrading or swingtrading) or at least backtesting/forward testing/real-time testing) in all market conditions.

Simpler but robust is best and psychology and execution will always play a large part in your individual results.

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And at the end of the day, let common sense rule...not greed. If someone is selling a "system" that claims 80% accuracy red flags need to go up. Then you don't get a trial period long enough to evaluate what they are doing, no real broker statements, no refund, etc. etc. You know it's a scam. Your common sense tells you it's a scam. Don't let greed tell you different.

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Sorry to say I just signed up for the service. First day results, one winner for 1pt, three losers for 2pts each. I asked for a refund after paying and receiving trading rules, (before I used the service...at all) was told "No Refunds". Stay away. You'll loose when you pay for the service, you'll loose if you try to trade their system.

Wish I had spent more time reading through this tread before I put down my money. Should have known better.

I tried eminipivottrading and was disappointed as well. Don't bother.



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lol....I wish I could sell him my TS post count before I left....

Post count envy Mike.

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snowbird123
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To put it bluntly; they suck!

I can pretty much make nearly any method/system b.e. to slightly profitable--however, their 'room' and the way they 'massage' the numbers is utter b*llshit.

I buy alot of commercial methods and trial many more (it is fun for me and I like the distraction from methods I use that do work for me) and this one is deceptive.

Just say no.

peace

Hedvig

I tried eminipivottrading.com based on their "great" room numbers and I felt the same way. They showed 27 straight weeks of gains but I just could not figure out how they did it. Live and learn I guess.

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