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 Paul L 
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Im not talking about " Ok heres a signal, buuuuutttttt we dont have this , this or this conformation" and then after the signal if its a winner say "hope all got some of that" or if its a loser say" I tried to tell you guys to stay out of that one because the stars werent aligned with out our 400 confirmations that we look for". Seriously, I am a full time trader but also run another business for income. I am always looking for edges so sometimes I drop in on live rooms for a month,Im not above learning new methods or just taking trades from a good trader. Problem is, no one wants to make market calls. To all vendors out there this is how its done..... Ok folks it looks like we got a great set up here, I am buying the ES on limit order right. if filled my stop is this and my target is this. If I decide to exit he trade early I will make the call. IS THAT SO HARD!!! STICK YOUR NECK OUT AND MAKE A CALL! EVERYTHING ELSE IS BS!!!!
Seriously though, If anyone is making any money on these rooms with realtime calls post it here please, thanks

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Aspen Trading is one of the better ones:

Aspen Trading Group : Aspen Trading Group : Research and Analytics

I took a trial a couple years ago but check in on their free opinions now and then.

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Im not talking about " Ok heres a signal, buuuuutttttt we dont have this , this or this conformation" and then after the signal if its a winner say "hope all got some of that" or if its a loser say" I tried to tell you guys to stay out of that one because the stars werent aligned with out our 400 confirmations that we look for". Seriously, I am a full time trader but also run another business for income. I am always looking for edges so sometimes I drop in on live rooms for a month,Im not above learning new methods or just taking trades from a good trader. Problem is, no one wants to make market calls. To all vendors out there this is how its done..... Ok folks it looks like we got a great set up here, I am buying the ES on limit order right. if filled my stop is this and my target is this. If I decide to exit he trade early I will make the call. IS THAT SO HARD!!! STICK YOUR NECK OUT AND MAKE A CALL! EVERYTHING ELSE IS BS!!!!
Seriously though, If anyone is making any money on these rooms with realtime calls post it here please, thanks


There is a reason for that.

1. IMHO, most of them sell their stuff because they can't earn a living with it.

2. To call out trades like you say requires a professional license as you are charging for financial advice. Most of the folks I have met over the years with trading rooms are not licensed professionals or any kind of professional for that matter.

3. You're in business, ask your attorney about the legal liability of opening your own trading room , charging a fee for memberships and making live calls.

4. Read the disclaimers on the trading room sites. "This is for education purposes only... yadda yadda yadda"

BTW... if your trading is profitable... you are allready ahead of most of the folks who run trade rooms.

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"
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There is a reason for that.

1. IMHO, most of them sell their stuff because they can't earn a living with it.

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There's a well known educational trading business here in Southern California; they don;t have a chat room or signal service that I know of. I think it was on one of their CDs they were describing the history of the company.

Paraphrasing: We used to be a successful prop trading firm specializing in momentum trading. Market dynamics changed and our techniques stopped working. So, we decided to completely shutdown the trading firm and convert it to an educational company.
<end paraphrase>

Trading has got to be one of the few businesses on this planet where people actively seek out and flock to other failed businesses to obtain advice on how to succeed.

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There's a well known educational trading business here in Southern California; they don;t have a chat room or signal service that I know of. I think it was on one of their CDs they were describing the history of the company.

Paraphrasing: We used to be a successful prop trading firm specializing in momentum trading. Market dynamics changed and our techniques stopped working. So, we decided to completely shutdown the trading firm and convert it to an educational company.
<end paraphrase>

Trading has got to be one of the few businesses on this planet where people actively seek out and flock to other failed businesses to obtain advice on how to succeed.

"I'm a financial adviser... I advise clients how to invest their money ... until there is none left."... Woody Allen

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

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SF Veritas Financial Education Services
All you can do is try it for a week and make your own decision. I am a paid member and satisfied with the quality of service. The daily results (good, bad or ugly) are posted in the blog. https://protradered.blogspot.com/ I can vouch for the accuracy of the results.

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 monpere 
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Try pristine.com . As a new trader a few years ago, I spent a few months in their program. They call out the trades live in the room, they have audible alerts before the trades are called, the trade calls are complete with entry, stop, target and trade management. Trade calls are logged, and tracked along with all trade management for every trade. When stops are moved, the tracking page is updated with the new stop placement, when stop outs occur, and targets are reached, etc. The trade calls tracking is updated in real time on a separate pop-up page that you can keep open and check during the trading day.

You need to be a licensed CTA to advise people about financial investments. To get around that stipulation, all a room moderator has to say is "I'm taking this trade", instead of "I advise you take this trade". The trade calls at pristine would say "Pristine is going to buy XYZ at 70.25, stop at 70.70, target 70.50"

When I was there, I was in their stock trading room, but they also had a futures room trading the NQ DOW Mini. It was a few years ago since I was there so I can't guarantee how they operate now, though.

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This goes for all potential vendors, make sure to, at least initially, use a throw-away email addy. Many of these companies have very aggressive marketing departments.

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You may want to check out Pitguru - They offer trading calls via SMS and mails, often realtime with Market orders....

Many greetings from Germany,
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Have a look at Absolute Day Trader
I have used their service for 4/5 months now; have not had a month where at least didn't cover my subscription.
They call out 2 trades each day; normally just before the open of RTH; the ES and TF; completely mechanical and no logic or reasoning is given; based on a proprietary computer generated code; month over month I am profitable; I like that on some days there is no setup indicating they are not just trading to please subscribers; they also sell their their code to use with Trade Station; I don't follow them to the letter, and modify their targets, entry points and stops as I see fit; I think they would do better if they were less aggressive with their 2nd target; interestingly they don't modify their calls when in a trade, but I do; I find it a good discipline to start my trading day with their trades (I live on the left coast !) and usually gets me off to good start; their results as posted are accurate...
Some days am just not able to get a fill at their specified entry and so I pass; you have to be quick with your order entry; all limit orders given.

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You may want to check out Pitguru - They offer trading calls via SMS and mails, often realtime with Market orders....

Many greetings from Germany,
Oliver

Have you (or anyone else) any experience using them; they look quite interesting and offer a profitability guarantee....

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 ostadler 
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Hello Volts,

I currently sim-trade some of the calls, especially the e-mini calls. The calls are good, but you have to use some kind of trade management, like trailing stops. A call often looks like "Go long 1 ES March, stop xxxx, target xxxx." The stops and targets are often several points away, so you should lock-in some profits.
But so far I am very pleased with it!

Btw, you come from Vancouver? The Canucks have a terrific season so far :-) But I am still a Leafs fan :-) GO-LEAFS-GO! :-)

Many greetings from Germany,
Oliver

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Hello Volts,

I currently sim-trade some of the calls, especially the e-mini calls. The calls are good, but you have to use some kind of trade management, like trailing stops. A call often looks like "Go long 1 ES March, stop xxxx, target xxxx." The stops and targets are often several points away, so you should lock-in some profits.
But so far I am very pleased with it!

Btw, you come from Vancouver? The Canucks have a terrific season so far :-) But I am still a Leafs fan :-) GO-LEAFS-GO! :-)

Many greetings from Germany,
Oliver

Tkx
Too bad about the Leafs.... we are looking forward to the raising the cup this year...!!!

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Yes I have been in a realtime trade rooom live from the floor of the cme protrading course by Richard regan. He traded futures and spot and gave realtime calls in audio and you could see his charts. But he hasn't been in the room for the last 6 mos. A trader by the name of Jeff runs it now and is called Trademaven protrading. He is a support resistence trader and gives the calls in realtime while watching 7 to 8 markets. You can give them a try for free to see if it fits your style.

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