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Lately, I have been focusing more on learning about trading and the markets than chasing indicators. I have always used basic indicators of which I had a good understanding, and I find that I would like to gain indepth understanding of the markets themselves and to that end I have been reading more about market profile and the auction process.

Many are familiar with "Mind over Markets" and "Markets in Profile" ... Dalton's latest work is "Field of Vision" ... this thread is to record my thoughts when comparing them, and if there are others who have purchased the course, feel free to share your thoughts and opinions as well.

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What I have to comment so far on the course; it is better than the book if one wants to grasp the concepts right away without having to read both of his books and lacks a proper foundation.

Given I have read his books and also taken some of FT71 webinars, the material was not all that new to me, but it is taught from the point of view that those taking it dont have the knowledge, which to me is a good thing as it allows me to re-affirm what I already know and clarify some possible miss-conceptions I might have about MP and its use.

During the first 30 minutes Dalton covers the basics of the auction process with real life examples, and then starts working on the reason for Market Profile.

I got distracted with playing with the kids this weekend, therefore I only watched about 45 mins... the kids took priority since I am traveling this coming week. Anyhow, More to come as I complete the videos. I hope the review will help those searching for a guide to MP determine if the video is worth it for them.

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What I have to comment so far on the course; it is better than the book if one wants to grasp the concepts right away without having to read both of his books and lacks a proper foundation.

Given I have read his books and also taken some of FT71 webinars, the material was not all that new to me, but it is taught from the point of view that those taking it dont have the knowledge, which to me is a good thing as it allows me to re-affirm what I already know and clarify some possible miss-conceptions I might have about MP and its use.

During the first 30 minutes Dalton covers the basics of the auction process with real life examples, and then starts working on the reason for Market Profile.

I got distracted with playing with the kids this weekend, therefore I only watched about 45 mins... the kids took priority since I am traveling this coming week. Anyhow, More to come as I complete the videos. I hope the review will help those searching for a guide to MP determine if the video is worth it for them.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with Jim Dalton work. I am in the process of learning about market profile, I want to complete my VSA/Wyckoff backgroung with some MP principles.

I am reading Mind Over The Market currently but I find it quit difficult to read. I am not much of a reading learner so was concidering to buy his DVD. I will watch your post closely to help me make my decision ...

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"Mind Over Markets" is in my opinion the bible of all trading books. If you had started off with bar charts and the like, you will be slightly thrown off balance and find it difficult to understand.
"Markets in Profile" doesn't add or expand on anything to what is already in "Mind Over Markets". It is written with so much general talk, that, one is finding it difficult to filter the valuable bits. I have just finished it and am disappointed.
"Steidlmayer on Markets Trading with Market Profile" is a good one, but still when you leave out the promotional bits that are trying to sell you a software, there is some good trade set-ups.
I will be interested too to find out any opinions on "Field of Vision" as I am a bit prejudiced because of "Markets in Profile".

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to all thoes that were looking for additional feedback, my apologies... I have been home this past 3 weeks, and when I am home I spend most of my time with the kids. I am traveling this coming week and I will have time to go through the DVD's again... taking them with me so I can view on the 6 hour flight tomorrow... stay tuned.

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taking them with me so I can view on the 6 hour flight tomorrow... stay tuned.


and your verdict is?



I am still tuned...


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and your verdict is?



I am still tuned...


my apologies, I finished them already and I have been busy now learning more about trading spreads... overall, well spent $750... I will go ahead and replay them while I exercise on the threadmill and capture some screen shots and add some more comments... stay tuned..

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I will go ahead ... and capture some screen shots and add some more comments... stay tuned..

Looking forward to your comments

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The first DVD covers the following subjects

- Auction Process
- Concept of Value
- Introduction to Market Profile
- Market Structure
- Initial Balance, and its Relevance for Rotational vs. Trend Day
- Range Extensions
- Point of Control
- Profile Shapes

Dalton reviews his books as well within the first DVD and evaluates them with pro's and con's and recommend his second book over the first one.

I liked how the profile was able to be expanded for the current day within the platform he is using. I decided to check all my settings on MD/IRT and I came to find that it has the same ability. I now view the days profile expanded and collapse the rest, it does help a lot better on interpretting the day and trying to figure out the direction.

I found his auction process explanation to be rather simple and clear, which when combined wth the explanation of what market profile captures and represents in terms of data from the auction process it allowed to have one of those moments in clarity that comes when things click in your head.

There is only one other book that i would recommend that provides extreme details on the markets and its participants for anyone looking for anything above the basics which Dalton's provides within the video and that is: Trading and Exchanges: Market Microstructure for Practicioners by Larry Harris. I think that should be a book every trader should have on his library personally.

overall, DVD was very educational and I liked the ability of going back over subjects and replying things whenever I could not follow his explanation or it was in disagreement with something I had understood. I will follow up with the next DVD.

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I posted a video clip to provide a better preview than what is on the site. I am not certain that I will be providing them for the remainder of the DVD's. I think I might be borderline with copyright laws here, so rather not get futures.io (formerly BMT) in trouble. Same goes for images, I will only post those that I find of interest to aid on showing the value of the product.

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The second DVD continues to expand on the prior DVD subjects, they are pretty much covered and build upon, with more enphasis on the following:

- Auction Process (As depicted by MP)
- Market Structure (profile shapes, meanings, tails, etc)
- Inventory Balances & Corrections
- Value Area, Differences between Price and Value (why not to just focus on price)
- Multiple Timeframes & Reference Points (based on the trader timeframe)
- Types of Distribution based on type of day
- The Opening & The relationship to Value and Range (based on prior days value/range/etc)
- Differences between the different time frame traders
- How to determine what timeframe is in control

He stresses how one should do homework all the time, before trading, to understand the market and what information it conveyed from the prior day, week, or even month. The importance of having a good understanding of the structure, the volume and not just pay attention to price when trading. Understanding the timeframe in control is important to ones trading success.

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Thanks for the review. That's a product i had on my radar as i have heard good commentaries but no reviews so far. Does he talk or describe some setups or does it stay theoretical only ? Could someone use this product and build a trading plan ?

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Thanks for the review. That's a product i had on my radar as i have heard good commentaries but no reviews so far. Does he talk or describe some setups or does it stay theoretical only ? Could someone use this product and build a trading plan ?

it is both theory and practive using recent data from before the seminar was held.. like days before.. he does go into details of what most people call setups; meaning that based on a given structure what might be more likely to happen and the reasons why and what one should look at and consider, etc. when trading.

I think one could use the product to gain greater understanding, but as to creating a trading plan? not sure it would given it is merely providing an explanation of MP and how to go about stuyding MP...

if you are looking for a product to guide you on what is needed for a trading plan, I can suggest the following one:

How To Develop A Winning Trading Plan

In the end, I believe a trading plan is a personal thing... most people tend to think it just means that if you see A then you will do B and then enter with X number of contracts risking % of account, and reduce position size after X target is hit and move the stop to Entry and blah, blah, blah...

There are 1000's of links and articles dealing with trading plans, google it and you will see. I can post all the ppt's and PDF's I have collected online and save you some time as well if you want, just PM me your email.

The above video basically was the first one to cover one piece that was misisng for me which made me realize that a trading plan is no different than a business plan...

As I said, a very personal thing that will evolve with time.. it took me a lot of research to understand better what it was to me.

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Correction... Third DVD, not fourth

continues to build upon the prior knowledge, smooth continuation of content basically, please note there are no recaps, the DVD's are just broken down to fit the whole seminar.. this one continues and focuses on:

- Day timeframe control & Opening
- Market IrRationality & Predictability
- Importance of Reference Points Daily
- Must do Trades (based on known information, and current auction process)
- Day timeframe references
- Market Anomalies (Excess & Balance)
- Trade Location & Balancing Risk
- Destinations Trades based on Timeframe

It explains how when the day timeframe trader is in control, the market basically has a limited range; it also goes over the different timeframe traders impact on the markets and what the behaviour looks like. Delves into details of the correlation between performance and preparation, you cant succeed without preparation for the days trading. Homework and Preparation is important people (nothing new really).

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continues to build upon prior knowledge as usual.. focuses on this time..

- Diffusion Model (think auction process and how it is reflected by the info at hand)
- Value Area Trends
- Volume's Importance (What new/old business communicates in context with price data)
- Preparing to Trade (process to follow)
- Emotional Aspects of Trading
- Trading Opportunities, how to frame the information available

Stresses importance of volume, not just to focus on prices all the time, and how to take volume into account when trading based on what it communicates about price.

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He uses boxes on bar charts just like DBphoenix when talking about wyckoff.

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He uses boxes on bar charts just like DBphoenix when talking about wyckoff.

the boxes are mainly to highlight the areas during the presentation... nothing more... as he speaks the arrow moves and highlights what he was communicating..

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the boxes are mainly to highlight the areas during the presentation... nothing more... as he speaks the arrow moves and highlights what he was communicating..

Umm they are to note balance areas on a bar chart graphic. I am referring to the all the orange ones. DBphoenix did the same thing when discussing auction theory and using boxes instead of the market profile to visualize balance aka range.

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I have been trying to fine these dvds, his web site doesn't seem to sell them as the purchase links are all dead. Where did you get yours, if you don't mine saying.

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Links work for me otherwise call Jim.

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I have been trying to fine these dvds, his web site doesn't seem to sell them as the purchase links are all dead. Where did you get yours, if you don't mine saying.

there is no purchase link, there is a cart that will take you to google, and that is working just fine.. but it is always best to contact the vendor whenever you have issues ordering their product.

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Thanks sysot1t, Those links don't work on any of my three computers. Just upgraded to IE9 this week, maybe the problem. Didn't understand Dutchbookmaker's comment. Will order using an older version of IE tonight. Thanks again.

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Thanks sysot1t, Those links don't work on any of my three computers. Just upgraded to IE9 this week, maybe the problem. Didn't understand Dutchbookmaker's comment. Will order using an older version of IE tonight. Thanks again.

I had IE9, but I ended up downgrading to IE8... it wasnt ready IMO... as to dutchboomarker's.. I didnt get his point neither, so not sure what he was trying to communicate... best to move on..

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FWIW, I watched Field of Vision over the weekend and quite liked it. Most trading DVDs are utter crap, and I steer clear. But since it was by Dalton, I couldn't resist.

I am a very visual person and prefer pictures over words, I wish I could've watched the DVDs when I first started out. I use Market Profile heavily in my trading, and Dalton is probably the best educator on the subject.

This is not a "how to trade" course, it is more focused on "getting a deeper understanding of the market". Although there is more to the market than what MP explains, it provides a solid starting point for a beginning/struggling trader. You can probably find all the MP stuff you need for free online (cisco-futures.com has vast information on the subject e.g.) and by picking up a Steidlmayer and/or Dalton book. But if you are going to pay for a course, this should be it IMHO.

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there is no purchase link, there is a cart that will take you to google, and that is working just fine.. but it is always best to contact the vendor whenever you have issues ordering their product.

jims books and course lay out market profile in a way that makes it quicker to learn,much much better than anyone.the only problem with his work is it only theory. that means there is no trade set ups, no trade management. no market breath, no inter market comparson,no risk management. no order flow entry or exit. so do not think that market profile is the keys to the bank. it is a blue print of the bank you still have a lot of work to do.

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Thank you so much for all the useful information. I think this is just what I need. I have been reading Mind over Markets, some parts of it I get some I have to work on. You did not mention the workbook. Have you used it at all? Do you think it is setup well to make one think or is it just for memory work?

I love the markets. Even if I couldn't trade I think I would still be into this stuff. So interesting about crowd behavior and such.





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I just notice on Amazon that you can pre-order James Dalton's Mind Over Markets, Update Edition, which is scheduled to be released July 15, 2013. Current pre-order price is only $44.

Amazon.com: Mind Over Markets: Power Trading with Market Generated Information, Updated Edition (Wiley Trading) (9781118531730): James F. Dalton: Books

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Thanks empty.

I just want to say I purchased Jims Field of Vision in October when I last posted and had no problems. It was delivered promptly.
I found it very informative and exciting. Since then I have been on an assignment with work,but continued my study of the markets, to include taking JPJs class and attend his room. I recently watch Field of Vision again, and this time I got a ton of useful nuggets from it.
So I just want others to know, watching it again, after a few months was better than watching it the first time, for me. I feel like I am starting to get a good handle on the market. I am now looking at the market in a different way. I don't feel as lost or in the dark as I use to feel looking at primarily indicators.
It was well worth the $750.00. I plan to watch it again this fall maybe, and look forward to it. I can only watch about an hour to 1 1/2 at a time and then take a break. Also, I often stop the disc and think about what he just said and write down some notes in the notebook. By doing this it makes the $750.00 price a much better value.
I also purchased his other DVD on his Live Markets Seminar. Much shorter but also very good in my opinion. I don't think I could ever trade like he does, he has such a deep understanding of the market, but JPs has some great trade setups from Market Profile and I find them much easier to take with understanding the markets better.
Hope this helps anyone trying to decide on purchasing the DVD set.

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I've also seen Field of Vision. Good stuff.

Has anyone seen the Live Trading DVD set from Dalton? Does he really put on trades?

Thank you.

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daltons courses are much better than any other market profile courses ... i have taken most all

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Dalton does not put on are call out trades..or teach any set ups are trade management . the bread and butter is understanding current market conditions and to see change in the conditions and how to react to that change. a example is the over night inventory long short or balanced ..what could happen next...a, b, or c if it c how you trade that and what to look out for. what the difference is in a opening drive and test drive or open action..and know which one you are in..

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Any feedback from new people on this course

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I was participating in last 2 intensive courses as a total newbie to the methodology and became an enthusiast.
There are valid points to people who recommend the courses and those who doesn't see any value in them.
I can totally understand people who find no value in his courses/methodology and even who discard it.
There are also people who are regulars on the intensive courses that are with Jim for years.

Big chunk of the knowledge is out there for free. Books and webinars on youtube can be enough to get a good grasp what's this about. You can check Kickstart webinar series. There is also an Introduction e-course.

In addition to a monthly course that consists of 2 daily reports and 1-2 webinars there is big emphasis on preparation and routine. If you don't work on your own there merits of the course are much limited.
In order to gain as much as possible you need to read the books first and be familiar with what he's talking about.
And the most important part is doing your homework and self preparation day-by-day.
You can also come unprepared (as I was , to some extent) and still benefit from day 1.


I decided because there was this statement on their site: "We put you in the driver's seat".
For me it was finally something that was appealing to me to my ''core''. It all started to make sense.

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