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has anyone heard of black dimond trader from pro indicators i see they have indicators that trade just like me,if anyone has used them let me know what you think...sharky
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hmm, maybe these guys took your system and is trying to capitalize from your hard work.

The course is worth $1000.00 but buy it now for $97.00....REALLY.

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Sharky,

Your a great guy and great trader.
(Everyone appreciates your generosity and insight on this forum so don't take the wrong way).

Dude, you can trade 20 contracts in your sleep without batting an eye.

The price is chicken feed for many let alone you.

I say you buy it and let us know how good it is........lol

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i dont think they took my method as it is not mine to take, i have my method from here and there all thrown together to fit my own personality,i just ment here it a trend method that seems to enter on pullbacks in the direction of the trend.i think that is a good method of trading and was supprised to see someone create a indicator that cheap that really works,if anyone has any experience with them i would enjoy the feedback...sharky

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ok i will buy it and let you know i just dont like downloading crap if someone else already had it and didnt care for it but if you want me to be the ginnie pig i'll bite...sharky

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I know that guy that started BDT, I helped him with some work on converting another system from TS to MT4, about a year ago that was a forex breakout system. Anyways, "the guy" is an honest, straight up guy and trader. I never worked on his trend system but I can vouch for, at least, the one principal I work with. For $97 it's probably worth a look. He's not some guy that doesn't know how to trade that just sells software.

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This is not even $ 97. It is worth just about $ 30.

Look at the link... Affiliate Partner Invitation | Black Diamond Trader

ProIndicators have not developed it. They are just promoting this and getting whopping 60% commission.

Let's see the feedback from Sharky.

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my guess is that its a decent trend indicator but from my experience it will kill new traders in a choppy market,as for the automation add on i would not recomend it for the same reason choppy markets would break most bank accounts of newer more inexperienced traders,as i said i will buy it tonight and set some charts up and watch it live and i will report back, thanks for your comments so far and keep them comming...sharky

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This is not even $ 97. It is worth just about $ 30.

Look at the link... Affiliate Partner Invitation | Black Diamond Trader

ProIndicators have not developed it. They are just promoting this and getting whopping 60% commission.

Let's see the feedback from Sharky.

I think that's wrong. I haven't spoken with them in a while but I believe BDT and ProIndicators are the same principals. I remember them talking about ProIndicators.com as a site they wanted to build up eventually. Just go to www dot blackdiamondtrader dot com and it's the same as ProIndicators.com. That affiliate page is how they recruit affiliates to link to them, standard web marketing methodology.

Many traders like to have diverse income streams beyond trading. Selling tools/knowledge is one way. They probably don't need to software biz to make a gazillion dollars to survive, so large discounts in price like this are probably more like experiements to see what prices the market will bear for their wares.

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we have spoke by email and have agreed to speak on the phone today,after he calls me i will let you guys know whats going on with everything i will mention to him about the price and see if he will leave it a 97 bucks untill i have a chance to look at it for a week or two...sharky

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so i talked today to the owner of the product,his affilate program is no longer going on as he wasnt making money on it, i advised him to take down the site he said he was on it,as for the indicators he was kind enough to send them to me free of charge,i told him i would review them for everyone to see and not hold any punches back,if i like them i will tell you, if i dont like them i will tell you, if i can make it a better system i will and if i need to filter some trades with other indicators i will,i dont normally review products for everyone to see but as this is a trend system that takes some of the entries i take i thought it would be fun for me and you guys...sharky

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Fantastic stuff

Thanks Sharky for your time and efforts. Much Appreciated


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ok i have them all loaded up on my charts i see they where written for tradestation and then converted to ninja so some of the plots need adjusted i will call him back and ask if i can change the code in the indicators and send him the revised ninja version...sharky

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ok so if you want to download the tradestation version or meta 4 version they seem fine,if you want the ninja 7 version wait a few more days as i have to mod the code alittle and send the updates back to them...sharky

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if you send him a message as per sharky he will hold the price for you guys only his name is mark but give me a couple of days to get the mods done...sharky
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ok so if you want to download the tradestation version or meta 4 version they seem fine,if you want the ninja 7 version wait a few more days as i have to mod the code alittle and send the updates back to them...sharky

Not related but relevant question - What are the issues with such direct translated codes? How much mods would be required normally? The reason being I have an indicator from Fibozachi, which I believe is developed for TS and then converted to NT. A good indicator, but at times act funny and is inconsistent. (I mean if I open two charts of the same inputs, the indicator at some places shows different signals).

I have not reached them yet, but as I saw your post, I thought I will check with you. Thanks much

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fat tails is good at figuring out why the indicator fluxuates like that i was just adding settings in the user control settings that was left out from porting from tradestation to ninja like ability to change ma length of dot size.ect.ect...sharky

btw im finished on my end and sent him back the mods
i need to watch some vids tomorrow and see how he says to use the system but if you want ill post some charts im not sure what settings im comfortable using yet but so far im likeing one of the 4 indicator better then the other ones but we will see i said ill give my real feelings about this system like it or not...sharky

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i ment im done with 3 of the 4 one more left the show me dots i will do it tomorrow...sharky

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i ment im done with 3 of the 4 one more left the show me dots i will do it tomorrow...sharky

Please post some 6E charts when you're done. We're anxious to see the results. Thanks, man!!

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well here is 3 of the indicators the last one that shows the entries will have to wait, the dots shows trend change these are my settings not his i didnt care for his settings and i like the way i find trend better than how his indicator finds trend...sharky

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its not horrible but give me some time and ill give you something better...sharky

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todays performance on the 15 min 6e it looks like 6 winners 5 losers but i need to study it more...sharky

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6e 6range today 10 winners 4 losers alittle better...sharky

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so today i was dragging a ski boat from florida up north to sell so i didnt get to trade or sim trade this system im only eyeballing it and i might have called tredes wrong im not sure ill have to take my own advise and watch some vids lol so be patient and please dont run out and buy this just because im reviewing it,im bored and wanted a fun project for us thats all...sharky

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well here is 3 of the indicators the last one that shows the entries will have to wait, the dots shows trend change these are my settings not his i didnt care for his settings and i like the way i find trend better than how his indicator finds trend...sharky

Sharky,

Thanks for sharing your progress with us... do these indicators use multiple time frame analysis to determine trend or just the timeframe on your chart?

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3 use only one time frame but the us market sentiment does something else i cant understand yet but it seems the show me dot indicator is calling the us market sentiment indicator also so i have to study it more or kirk zeller as everyone knows he's my rhino...sharky

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now today as i was going over his settings and rules i saw by acident a pattern forming for a different way of trading his sytem,let me review his system and settings for a few days and if after futher investagation what i saw happening today has any merit ill post what im seeing as my brain see's patterns and rythems...sharky

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so i just took my first trade using his rules only was a picture perfect trade,i waited until tonight so the market would crawl and i could watch to see if anything repainted but everything was perfect,will every trade go this well i dont know but this trade was good and his sytem worked on this trade as i followed the rules to a tee...sharky

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so all the mods are finally finished thank god and thanks kirk, now i can focus on trading his rules and see how i do...sharky

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as for the patteren i thought i saw, i followed it closer and it wasnt what i thought, i can say this so far in theory his system is good and the new code is good,in real life im not sure yet i will have to take a bunch of trades and see...sharky

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so here is the 6e and 6j made more than i loss on both charts...sharky

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well its a scalping system and you will have to work for your money and follows the rules to a tee but it seems so far to produce decent trades i would say if you have a winner stop for the day if you have a loser, trade the next 2 setups until you are ahead and quit,there is always tomorrow and if you can end each day ahead or break even your doing better than most. i still need a few more days at looking at charts and watching signals before i give my final like or dislike...sharky

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i could probally trade a ma and jeffs dots and do the same thing but some people need the security that a bought and paid for system provides...sharky

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it works ok on the 6 range but it seemed the bigger chart i used the better it did,im testing it out on 6 range as thats what i use to trade with...sharky

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even if you dont want the whole system the trend strength is a pretty cool indicator,it calls chop really well...sharky

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Hey Sharky,

Based on your comments, it doesn't sound as if this is anything special which gives the trader an edge over other traders or methods.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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would it give me an edge, now i dont think so,4 or 5 years ago it might have help me make some money each day as i kept studying and learning different methods. for some one who knows how to trade you just trade its second nature to hit buy or sell as your mind already knows if its a high probability trade, when im right im really right when im wrong i know really fast, when i was starting out i tried every system out there and i have to say this one seems pretty good so far if you watch the videos and follow all the rules, i will keep looking at charts the next few days but his method is sound ,it triggers pullbacks in the direction of the trend thats what caught my eyes from him spamming the crap out of me lol...sharky

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 kees 
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Have you tryd 6E 330 Tick Chart its giving good signals for me

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no didnt try the 633 thanks for your imput i just tried 6 range 5 min 10 min 15 min and 30 min, so today i got 6 wins no losses on 6 range 6e, i like the signals but apon futher watching the trend strength i decided i didnt like it as it is innafective and the dm colorizer would probally work way better with my settings from sharkys real world trading located in the forex/currencies section,why its there instead of journals where i put it i have no clue...sharky

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so i have to move onto other projects so here is my review of the bdt from proindicators
1. show me dots pretty good as long as you follow the rules
2. us market sentiment ok, nothing speacial but works ok
3. trend ok, nothing speacial but ok
4. trend strength dont like
5. automator didnt mess with it

the system is better than some,is it the holy grail no but its pretty good,i would use your own indicators along with the show me dots and you could make it even better,ive watched each indicator and the only one i really liked was the show me dots its pretty uncanny in calling good trend pullbacks if you have a blue dot and you know your in a up trend place a limit order a couple of ticks above the dot and let the market trigger the trade it might take 2 or 3 bars but it will unless the trend changes then you just cancle the trade,and vice versa for red dots. remember dont over trade you need to ask yourself do you want to work all day or make money everyday and have time to study or play or be with family you can always add contracts and trade less,if your first trade is a winner walk away you dont need to take 10 trades per day your just asking for trouble with any method if you trade so much,if your first trade is a loser then trade untill your breakeven or ahead alittle you can always come back tomorrow...sharky

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wanted to say some things about mark the owner of bdt, he was very open with me about his style of trading and his trading history,some of his methods i would never do,but he has grown and found better methods of trading as his knowledge has improved,he didnt tie my hands when it came to me looking into the code so i could understand why the indicators where doing what they where doing he asked me up front if i wanted anything in return , i declined as i have a motto to do everything for free so that i can pass along to the new guys all the help ive received and so that i can have a unbias opinion,the customer support was good and quick and he will alow anyone here to have this system at the old price for awhile,im sure not forever but for a couple of weeks, so over all i give mark and his system 3 out of 4 sharkfins...sharky

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... for some one who knows how to trade you just trade its second nature to hit buy or sell as your mind already knows if its a high probability trade, when im right im really right when im wrong i know really fast, ...

I think this basically sum up everything about someone who succeeded in trading

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so i wanted to say even though my review is finished that in 2010 i did find several systems easier to understand and use,and also just because i can make a system work doesnt make it a good system, i could take birdcrap and make money with it,you must look at the system and do your own research, find out as much as you can positive and negetive,then use any system as a learning tool to futher develope your understanding of the market and perhaps start formulating your own system peice by peice,have a good weekend...sharky

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Shodson,
have you programmed your 95-100% winning strategy for ES into tradestation as a strategy for backtesting?
let me know, please.

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Just purchased Black Diamond Trader for purely for entertainment and evaluation purposes. I love testing out trading systems and I will give this one a go. (Wanted to give myself a Happy New Year toy.)

I'll try to post regular updates as to how it's going...

By the way I will be testing BDT using a small seed account size of approx $1000.

Just my small way to contribute to this community and for those searching for a trading method/system.

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The "dots" in the ad blurb reminded of the "Better" indicators. just so happens with the "pro" keyword, the old
thread on the question of coding something similar to "better pro am" was shown below on this thread page.


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Actually the email address doesn't exist on the server
I like the entry point pro
NinjaTrader Entry Point Pro and Strategy Addon
Can anybody tell me how to create a similar chart
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 gloricle 
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So I tried out the BDT...absolutely rubbish! The signals don't work half the time...

Anybody is way better off learning candlesticks and combining this with DOM.


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