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I tested the DTN bridge, on both NT7 and NT 6.5, and I saw that the order execution thru NT do not work good, it opens the right amount of unit in JTrader, but there are errors on reporting open positions unit in NT that causes a mess when trying to close the open positions.
The strange things is that on one of mine PCs with NT 6.5 it get historical data, but not on the others, this is really weird.

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I tested the DTN bridge, on both NT7 and NT 6.5, and I saw that the order execution thru NT do not work good, it opens the right amount of unit in JTrader, but there are errors on reporting open positions unit in NT that causes a mess when trying to close the open positions.
The strange things is that on one of mine PCs with NT 6.5 it get historical data, but not on the others, this is really weird.
Anyway I would ask if someone has experience trading forex with NT and Interactive Brokers, I would like to know how it is, and how is the streaming data during volatile market, like during the new release.

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Thanks Luke for reporting issues about DNT Bridge.
We always ready to fix the issues in DNT Bridge and make it better.
Please send the issues to our support team , we will try our best to fix the issues you are facing.

FYI: DNT Bridge doesn't support historical data, It provides only real time tick data.

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Thanks Luke for reporting issues about DNT Bridge.
We always ready to fix the issues in DNT Bridge and make it better.
Please send the issues to our support team , we will try our best to fix the issues you are facing.

FYI: DNT Bridge doesn't support historical data, It provides only real time tick data.

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Ok, I have tried again, and the orders execution work weird, if it's a market order it match on NT and JForex, if it's a limit order it appear rigth on JForex but on NT it's going crazy, it start to open a lot of little unit. I don't understand how to close the orders, if i use a sell limit order (it's going crazy too on NT) for closing a buy one on JForex it open a short position (I Know on other forex platform like MT4, it works this way), and if I click close button, it close only last position on Jforex when on NT the orders are all closed.
About the historical data I'm able to get it only using NT 6.5 that I upgrading i think about from the 1000.13 version, don't ask me why, and now I got the same with a fresh new 1000.18, just restoring a backup export from that one.
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Another things is that i can use orders entry only thru chart trader, FX Pro, and Dinamic DOM, and the other tools like basic entry and Satic DOM it does not work on both NT7 and NT 6.5.

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Ok, I have tried again, and the orders execution work weird, if it's a market order it match on NT and JForex, if it's a limit order it appear rigth on JForex but on NT it's going crazy, it start to open a lot of little unit. I don't understand how to close the orders, if i use a sell limit order (it's going crazy too on NT) for closing a buy one on JForex it open a short position (I Know on other forex platform like MT4, it works this way), and if I click close button, it close only last position on Jforex when on NT the orders are all closed.
About the historical data I'm able to get it only using NT 6.5 that I upgrading i think about from the 1000.13 version, don't ask me why, and now I got the same with a fresh new 1000.18, just restoring a backup export from that one.
Attached are some pics of what i speack about.

Hi Luke,
Thanks for testing the bridge in detail.
Regarding Ninja Trader opening multiple positions:
Ninja Trader 6 breaks down the trade quantity into small quantities, this issue has been fixed Ninja Trader 7.
If you do below settings in Ninja Trader 7, Multiple positions will not be opened.

In Ninja Trader, Options-->Simulator tab, uncheck enforce partial fills
check enforce immediate fills
(see the attached screen shot)
Please change the settings as shown in the screen shot. once these settings are done, Ninja Trader 7 will not open multiple smaller positions.

Regarding the issue of opening new short position in Dukascopy when you close long position in Ninja Trader:
This is because Dukascopy accounts works in 'Hedge' mode where as Ninja Trader works in 'Net' mode.
To use Net mode in Dukascopy, Please use Dukascopy MT4 demo account.
You can open Dukascopy MT4 demo from https://demo-login.dukascopy.com/fo/register/demo/?ismt4=1
For live accounts, you need to ask to your account manager to change the mode from 'Hedge' to 'Net'

Thank you.
Please let me know if you face any issues in using DNT Bridge.

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@ToolsForTrader

Some clarifications/confirmations please;
Does the NT7/DTN Bridge /Dukascopy support minute data for FX?
When you say "To use Net mode in Dukascopy, Please use Dukascopy MT4 demo account.", do you mean trade NT through the MT4 account, or we must use MT4 to trade?
Any plans to support historical FX minute data?
Can you confirm if the Profit Targets and Stop Losses are held on the Dukascopy servers or held locally on the NT machine?
Does the DTN/DUKE support NT7 auto trading FX minilots?
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Can you confirm the NT7/TFT Bridge/DUKA will support autotrading FX mini lots?
Do you have an ETA for the historical data?
How far back will the historical data go(years)?
Will the the historical data be filtered?
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@ToolsForTrader

Some clarifications/confirmations please;
Does the NT7/DTN Bridge /Dukascopy support minute data for FX?
When you say "To use Net mode in Dukascopy, Please use Dukascopy MT4 demo account.", do you mean trade NT through the MT4 account, or we must use MT4 to trade?
Any plans to support historical FX minute data?
Can you confirm if the Profit Targets and Stop Losses are held on the Dukascopy servers or held locally on the NT machine?
Does the DTN/DUKE support NT7 auto trading FX minilots?
Thanks

Thanks Stem1. I am glad to answer your questions.
Yes. DNT Bridge supports Minute data for FX. Actually DNT Bridge feeds tick data to forNinja Trader and Ninja Trader renders all types of charts using tick data(minutes, hours, range bars, tick charts)

By MT4 demo account, I meant to use MT4 demo account with Ninja Trader. MT4 account is nothing but JFOREX account which can be traded using MT4. Here we are using MT4 demo account just because it uses NET mode, nothing to do with it's MT4 user interface/platform.

I am planning to add support for historical tick data in future release which solves the purpose of all types of data (minutes, hours, range, ticks, renko)

All orders (stop loss/profit targets) are actually held at Dukascopy Server. You can see these orders in Dukascopy's JFOREX/JAVA platform. (see the attached screen shot)
Any order you(or your strategy) placed in Ninja Trader, same will be sent to Dukascopy server instantly. If you modify/cancel the order, same change will be sent to Dukascopy server. You can literally drag/drop you orders on Ninja Traders Chart Trader and see same thing is happening with the Orders at Dukascopy Server.
Another nice thing about this is, you get clear audio alert(human voiced: e.g Duka Order Filled/ Duka Order Changed) when Dukascopy server accepts your order so you are always confirmed about whether your order is at Dukascopy server or not.

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Can you confirm the NT7/TFT Bridge/DUKA will support autotrading FX mini lots?
Do you have an ETA for the historical data?
How far back will the historical data go(years)?
Will the the historical data be filtered?
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Hi Stem1,
Yes. Dukascopy supports mini lot. DNT bridge can be used with NT 7 auto trading strategy to trade FX mini lot.
When to add historical data support is still not decided.

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Thanks.
I notice Duka have extensive historical data, do you know of any work arounds that would get the data loaded into NT7?
How many people are using the NT/bridge/Duka at the moment?
Is it a work in progress or is it fully sorted?
The Duka website says the demo account is for 14 days, do you know if that is continuously renewable?
Is there a time limit on the free bridge demo?
In the event of loss of connection, are there any synching issues upon reconnection for trade position/ account position etc.
In your experience, what else do I need to know to make this system work smoothly?
Thanks for your help. This may be the solution.

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I connected before, but this afternoon I am getting an error on the Dukascopy-NT Bridge .. my connection fails and I have the following as the error notification .. my 14 days definitely hasnt expired

"PKIX pathbuilding failed"

XPpro x32bit SP2, newly installed NT7R2 Bridge v 1.1.2==(never was able to get a newer version downloaded)

Any others have the issue?

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update ... darn ... looks like the connection cant be made with XP PRO ++ NT7 combo... I can ONLY use the login successfully on a Win7 ++ NT7

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I saw on Dukascopy site that to use their FIX API there's a $100k minimum deposit required. Multicharts uses their FIX API, is the same for DNT bridge?

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I saw on Dukascopy site that to use their FIX API there's a minimum deposit of $100k required. Multicharts use their FIX API, is the same for DNT bridge?

I have been using the bridge on a strictly demo account

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When the demo account expires, can you simply get another 2 weeks (unlike Mirus)? Does the bridge have a demo time limit?
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Thanks.
I notice Duka have extensive historical data, do you know of any work arounds that would get the data loaded into NT7?
How many people are using the NT/bridge/Duka at the moment?
Is it a work in progress or is it fully sorted?
The Duka website says the demo account is for 14 days, do you know if that is continuously renewable?
Is there a time limit on the free bridge demo?
In the event of loss of connection, are there any synching issues upon reconnection for trade position/ account position etc.
In your experience, what else do I need to know to make this system work smoothly?
Thanks for your help. This may be the solution.

Thanks Stem1. Here is the clarification to your questions.

To use historical data from Dukascopy with Ninja Trader, we need to convert the Dukascopy's historical tick data into Ninja readable format and then import the data into Ninja Trader.

As DNT Bridge demo is available for unlimited time, I don't have exact number about how many people are using it at the moment. By looking at the queries I get, may be 40-50+

DNT Bridge development is already completed and DNT Bridge is ready to use on Dukascopy Live account. You can use it with your micro account also. You don't need to have 100K in your account.

Dukascopy Demo accout expires after 14 day bu you can create new account after 14 days again and again. means new Demo account is just few clicks away.

No time limit to use DEMO of DNT Bridge. When you install DNT bridge then you can use it on live account also for 30 days. Even after 30 days, you can continue using DNT bridge on Dukascopy Demo account

In case of loss of connections, DNT Bridge tries to reconnect 3 times. If it fails to connect, It waits for 10 second and tries again 3 times. If it can't connect then you need reconnect it manually on clicking on Connect button.
Even after disconnecting and connecting again, DNT Bridge handles orders placed before disconnection.
if you exit the DNT Bridge and start again then order placed before exiting the DNT bridge won't be handle by DNT Bridge.

To use DNT Bridge effectively you just need reliable internet connection. Keep DNT Bridge running. Make sure data feed is ON in DNT Bridge and Order execution is ON. and all orders from NT will be send to Dukascopy.
Order modification/cancellation will also be send to Dukascopy.
In short: DNT Bridge should be running and (connected to Duakascopy of course)

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I connected before, but this afternoon I am getting an error on the Dukascopy-NT Bridge .. my connection fails and I have the following as the error notification .. my 14 days definitely hasnt expired

"PKIX pathbuilding failed"

XPpro x32bit SP2, newly installed NT7R2 Bridge v 1.1.2==(never was able to get a newer version downloaded)

Any others have the issue?

TJ

update ... darn ... looks like the connection cant be made with XP PRO ++ NT7 combo... I can ONLY use the login successfully on a Win7 ++ NT7

Thanks Trader.Jon for reporting this.
This error occurs because of certificate issues. I am working on fix for this to find machine and OS independent fix for such errors.

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I saw on Dukascopy site that to use their FIX API there's a $100k minimum deposit required. Multicharts uses their FIX API, is the same for DNT bridge?

LukeGeniol,
To use DNT Bridge you don't need to have 100K deposit. You can use DNT Bridge with any Dukascopy account of any size.

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When the demo account expires, can you simply get another 2 weeks (unlike Mirus)? Does the bridge have a demo time limit?
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Stem1,
For live trading DNT Bridge has 30 days limit.
To use DNT Bridge on Dukascopy Demo account, there is no time limit. You can use all features of DNT Bridge for unlimited time on Dukascopy Demo account.

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Thanks for your answers.

....."In case of loss of connections, DNT Bridge tries to reconnect 3 times. If it fails to connect, It waits for 10 second and tries again 3 times. If it can't connect then you need reconnect it manually on clicking on Connect button."

Is there an option to enable the DNT Bridge to keep trying to reconnect untill it is successful (like NT)? I live in Far North Queensland at the end of the line and my experience with Gain and IB shows some disconnections can last hours.

Also, because the profit targets and stop losses are held on Duka's server, is it correct that once these have been placed I could be disconnected indefinitly and the PT and SL would still be executed?

...."To use historical data from Dukascopy with Ninja Trader, we need to convert the Dukascopy's historical tick data into Ninja readable format and then import the data into Ninja Trader.Thanks"

I'm not familiar with this process, is historic tick data standardized with all brokers or does everyone do it their own way? Could some exitsting method be adapted? I have found it somewhat critical for tuning Automated Strategies to use the same ECN/Data for trading as for testing, this narrows the gap between historical and live trading.

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Thanks for your answers.

....."In case of loss of connections, DNT Bridge tries to reconnect 3 times. If it fails to connect, It waits for 10 second and tries again 3 times. If it can't connect then you need reconnect it manually on clicking on Connect button."

Is there an option to enable the DNT Bridge to keep trying to reconnect untill it is successful (like NT)? I live in Far North Queensland at the end of the line and my experience with Gain and IB shows some disconnections can last hours.

Also, because the profit targets and stop losses are held on Duka's server, is it correct that once these have been placed I could be disconnected indefinitly and the PT and SL would still be executed?

...."To use historical data from Dukascopy with Ninja Trader, we need to convert the Dukascopy's historical tick data into Ninja readable format and then import the data into Ninja Trader.Thanks"

I'm not familiar with this process, is historic tick data standardized with all brokers or does everyone do it their own way? Could some exitsting method be adapted? I have found it somewhat critical for tuning Automated Strategies to use the same ECN/Data for trading as for testing, this narrows the gap between historical and live trading.

Thanks

Stem1,
For DNT Bridge specific questions, I have replied via PM

Regarding using Historical tick data from Dukascopy in to Ninja Trader,
Each platform uses its own format for data. Ninja Trader can not interpret the historical data from Dukascopy.
You need to convert it to the format which Ninja Trader can understand. then you can import data into Ninja Trader.
Possible way is to write a program which will scan through the Dukascopy Historical ata and re-write in to Ninja Trader's data format.
I hope this helps.

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I've been testing the NT7/Bridge/Duka autotrading FX in demo for the past two weeks and have found the following;

The bridge; appart from the non perseverence to relogin, the bridge works great. I have lost sections of histrical data when the bridge got disconnected then gave up trying to relogin (unlike ninja). ToolsforTrader has indicated this will be fixed.

Dukascopy; the first week was great, I had disconnections while in a trade and the server held TP and SL worked perfectly. I went back in later and manually cancelld the remaining limit order no problem. The JForex platform I found very easy to get around (unlike IB TWS). Then the platform shut itself off and repeated attempts to relogin failed. I tried again the next day still to no avail. I joined the duka forum and tried to find the reason, couldn't, then asked for help. My forum account was deleted, so I repeated the process and it happenned again. So I repeated the process and this time got a link to exactly the problem I was having (with 2400 views). There's a list of things I had to do, open TCP/IP port, clear java cache, set java properties, uninstall all things java etc. and in the end it didn't work. I sent support an email, no reply. I've run thru the list a few more times, still doesn't work, no JForex platform. I sent another email saying their fix doesnt work and am waiting for a reply. Its been 5 days without the platform. All this time NT7 and the Bridge keep chugging away making trades, but I cant see them. NT7 loses synch with all the disconnections so the positions and accounting gets messed up, but watching the progress of the trades on JForex was very easy. I would just like to log into JForex, it seems like such a simple request....

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JPMorgan Chase bank has said, it's a fact, on Nov 17, 2013 will be limiting bank wires to 50k leaving the country(US). In the future it could go system wide with other banks. JPMorgan Chase is the biggest bank in the U.S.
So, We expats (US) living around the world will probably, eventually be cut off from any banks or brokers sending money outside of the U.S. You can bring money in, not out. So, I need a Ninjatrader Broker outside of the US and most preferably not European(except Swiss) or any of the first world English speaking countries( Canada, GB, Austrailia, NZ, etc).

A Ninjatrader to Dukascopy bridge, that worked, would have been a very, very useful tool right now. There will probably be an ever increasing need for this.

Does anybody know of a good Ninjatrader Broker outside of the U.S. or a Ninjatrader bridge to their feeds?

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