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 Japhro 
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The reviews on here made me want to sign up for a free trial, I suppose out of curiosity more than anything else.

I couldn't stay in the room for more than a few minutes each day, His voice, his tone, how grating it is, and what he has to say, and it never stopped, was like having a nuclear warhead go off in your ear. It was unbearable. He repeats the same phrases over and over, 'get your toes wet!" about 20 times in the first minute or 2. Screaming basically.

I don't care how good a trader he may or may not be, you'd have to pay me a very large sum of money to endure this torture

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Yes he is loud alright..

Just watched his posting in You Tube of yesterday's trades. Personalities aside he called some awesome trades .

nuclear warhead go off in your ear...lol

without any indicators or FIB levels, he does call the market trends pretty well.

I thought to check his videos after long time as i am using another method.

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The reviews on here made me want to sign up for a free trial, I suppose out of curiosity more than anything else.

I couldn't stay in the room for more than a few minutes each day, His voice, his tone, how grating it is, and what he has to say, and it never stopped, was like having a nuclear warhead go off in your ear. It was unbearable. He repeats the same phrases over and over, 'get your toes wet!" about 20 times in the first minute or 2. Screaming basically.

I don't care how good a trader he may or may not be, you'd have to pay me a very large sum of money to endure this torture


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Yes he is loud alright..

Just watched his posting in You Tube of yesterday's trades. Personalities aside he called some awesome trades .

nuclear warhead go off in your ear...lol

without any indicators or FIB levels, he does call the market trends pretty well.

I thought to check his videos after long time as i am using another method.

Sharmas

You might want to check this earlier post out in this thread.


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You might want to check this earlier post out in this thread.


Not sure why Iīm looking at this, morbid curiousity as I wondered why this flake was visible again. Waiting for a taxi but... wow what a voice. Where is that guy from? I never ever want to go there. Boston mixed with Canada or something?

It would be hard to take that patter for more than a brief sample, old trick to build energy but its not a horse auction.

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Yes he is loud alright..

Just watched his posting in You Tube of yesterday's trades. Personalities aside he called some awesome trades .

nuclear warhead go off in your ear...lol

without any indicators or FIB levels, he does call the market trends pretty well.

I thought to check his videos after long time as i am using another method.

Sharmas

There are simple systems to trade this style out there, pivot trading is basically based upon being bullish above/bearish below a pivot level, you can trade Murrey lines the same way, opening range breakouts etc. Since I never saw him call the start of a trade in advance, he's just say bear here! Bears! BEARRRRSS!!!!!!! It was hard to get a handle on what exactly he was doing.

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i have been a ace trades member for about 6 weeks now and have been though all of the training with the videos and stuff i know all the rule and keys and everything i signed a non disclosed agreement so i can not disclose not secrects i have the gold package which cost me 3500 not about the course . people take what i say serious because i have not reason to lie this is not befitting me none .if you have a small account say 5000 you can not trade the course . because you will get stopped out alot and to make the most money you need to trade at least 3 contracts you will take one off at 1 or 2 points and the other off at 5 points and the last off at at your choice now the stop is anywhere between .75 and 1.5 of a point so if you all stoped out one time that is $150 so if you get one point and move to break even and the market comes back and takes you out you are still down by 100 . you will have to have at least $5000 to $10.000 per contract for this to work because you will be getting stoped out a lot i do not trade the method no more because of the stop outs if anyone have any more questions you can p.m. me i will try to answer for you the method does work if you have a big account to handle the stop outs because everyday he does mostly hit a home run

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You just try to trade this live for a few month and report us back.



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i have been a ace trades member for about 6 weeks now and have been though all of the training with the videos and stuff i all the rule and keys and everything i signed a non disclosed agreement so i can not disclose not secrects i have the gold package which cost me 3500 not about the course . people take what i say serious because i have not reason to lie this is not befitting me none .if you have a small account say 5000 you can not trade the course . because you will get stopped out alot and to make the most money you need to trade at least 3 contracts you will take one off at 1 or 2 points and the other off at 5 points and the last off at at your choice now the stop is anywhere between .75 and 1.5 of a point so if you all stoped out one time that is $150 so if you get one point and move to break even and the market comes back and takes you out you are still down by 100 . you will have to have at least $5000 to $10.000 per contract for this to work because you will be getting stoped out a lot i do not trade the method no more because of the stop outs if anyone have any more questions you can p.m. me i will try to answer for you the method does work if you have a big account to handle the stop outs because everyday he does mostly hit a home run






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I have been an Ace system member for about 5 years. For me, it is the standard by which I compare everything else I look at. I get all my entry marks for the day in advance before I start trading. When checking out another trading systems, if they do not give me similar marks I know they are subpar. No indicators required. In fact, if you try and use them with the Ace system you probably will trade badly. My guess is that most traders who give a thumb down to the Ace system are trying to make it fit to some other method or indicator they think should work but only needs that little bit more. Unfortunately for them that almost never works.
If you are reading this you are on the quest for the holy grail, or onto the next best set up. You will spend most your time trying to find. You will fail. And you will never trade well. This system is easy, does not require a quant or more information to trade it. News does not matter. Trading good setups does not have to be hard.
The stops are small. Risk management is built in. Targets defined. I do very very well with this system. I recommend it.

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...I do very very well with this system. I recommend it.

sounds like you found your Grail, congrats!

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I recommend it.

Glad it works for you.

How many hours you spend each day on the ACE trade room? Can you trade without the help of the moderator?

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sounds like you found your Grail, congrats!

let me clear this up for all you want to be traders there is no holy grail every body get lucky sometime . i am a ace member have been for eight months now i have learn the system have all of the training videos and everything and i know first hand what i am talking about ace only shows when the trades that he calls are winning in the videos that he shows he do not show the stop out that you have to take to make the winning trade . every day he do hit a big home run but how many stop outs did it take to get to that trade so like i said before if you have a big account this may be good for you for this system to work you will need aleast 5000 per contract , because you will be trading with 3 contract min, and if you are stoped out you willl lose 150 off the bat and hope that you are stopped out just one time only .i have seen people stoped out for 4 to 5 times on a trade before that is at least a 600 loss of the bat i do not trade no more because i have loss over 150000 trying to find the holy grail because there is none for us retail traders let me explain how the market works and i dare anyone to prove me wrong because no one can Goldman sachs and their affiliates control the stock market , goldman sachs job everyday is to make 100 million that is everyday that use what is called program trading clocks and every day these clocks are programed for different time to go long or short the market and when it is time to to go long on the clock goldman and the other hedge funds that control the market will pump millions or shares of stock in the market to move the market where they want it and then everybody else i mean the retail trader will pile on that move and then goldman will take profits and do it again at the sell time on the clock so basicly you are trying to conplete with the institutions which you can not win i tryed to order the program trading clocks but you can only get them if you are a hedge funds so there you have it folks if any body need any more information pm me . thank you

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How many hours you spend each day on the ACE trade room? Can you trade without the help of the moderator?


I spend maybe 3 hours a day there. I use the room to stay in focus only. I have distraction as a trading problem. Once I learned the system, there was \ is no need to wait for the moderator to do anything. I do not need his help but it is nice to cross-check myself from time to time.

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let me clear this up for all you want to be traders there is no holy grail every body get lucky sometime . i am a ace member have been for eight months now i have learn the system have all of the training videos and everything and i know first hand what i am talking about ace only shows when the trades that he calls are winning in the videos that he shows he do not show the stop out that you have to take to make the winning trade . every day he do hit a big home run but how many stop outs did it take to get to that trade so like i said before if you have a big account this may be good for you for this system to work you will need aleast 5000 per contract , because you will be trading with 3 contract min, and if you are stoped out you willl lose 150 off the bat and hope that you are stopped out just one time only .i have seen people stoped out for 4 to 5 times on a trade before that is at least a 600 loss of the bat i do not trade no more because i have loss over 150000 trying to find the holy grail because there is none for us retail traders let me explain how the market works and i dare anyone to prove me wrong because no one can Goldman sachs and their affiliates control the stock market , goldman sachs job everyday is to make 100 million that is everyday that use what is called program trading clocks and every day these clocks are programed for different time to go long or short the market and when it is time to to go long on the clock goldman and the other hedge funds that control the market will pump millions or shares of stock in the market to move the market where they want it and then everybody else i mean the retail trader will pile on that move and then goldman will take profits and do it again at the sell time on the clock so basicly you are trying to conplete with the institutions which you can not win i tryed to order the program trading clocks but you can only get them if you are a hedge funds so there you have it folks if any body need any more information pm me . thank you

Jerry Time is a factor and the big players do changeup time. However though the times may change, the methods they use do not for the most part. The ways they enter/exit the MK are noticeable if you know how to look. The Ace method provides how to look. Jerry do not give up working on time either, you can better master it, keep looking. For example they set up nearly every CL inventory report in advance. You just have to know what to look for then wait for the real direction. The Ace system can help with that.

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i have been a ace trades member for about 6 weeks now and have been though all of the training with the videos and stuff i know all the rule and keys and everything i signed a non disclosed agreement so i can not disclose not secrects i have the gold package which cost me 3500 not about the course . people take what i say serious because i have not reason to lie this is not befitting me none .if you have a small account say 5000 you can not trade the course . because you will get stopped out alot and to make the most money you need to trade at least 3 contracts you will take one off at 1 or 2 points and the other off at 5 points and the last off at at your choice now the stop is anywhere between .75 and 1.5 of a point so if you all stoped out one time that is $150 so if you get one point and move to break even and the market comes back and takes you out you are still down by 100 . you will have to have at least $5000 to $10.000 per contract for this to work because you will be getting stoped out a lot i do not trade the method no more because of the stop outs if anyone have any more questions you can p.m. me i will try to answer for you the method does work if you have a big account to handle the stop outs because everyday he does mostly hit a home run

Hi, please forgive the message out of nowhere Thinking of Joining Ace trades but after reading the comments Iím gun shy!

I hope you can kindly help, and I hope I can help you in any way can one day

Are you still with Ace trades?

In the 3 day webinar, he seems to pick the entry and targets well, although probably never get in or out where he does. Is

do you really learn the 9 keys so you can trade yourself,

and is it different than just normal support resistance lines? Trend lines, or some easy math formula? Just hope i will learn something new

thanks so much!

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"The Ace Trades trading room offers three items for sale. A “Gold” package that costs $3,500, a Platinum package that costs $5,500, and a Diamond package that costs $9,800. All three packages include the same set of special Ace Indicators."



tradingschools.org: 'Cons: Ace does not trade. And he admits it.'

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@Krav69 writes..... here and placed below for your convenience.

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Anyone Make Money With AceTrades?
Hi,

Just joined Ace Trades and would like to hear from successful Ace Trades members.

The reason I'm asking is that I'm getting killed and am using his methodology "extremely well" according to Ace himself.

I've even sent him pictures of trades and he agreed that "you've got the Ace methodology down, just like we taught you!". On these trades I was stopped out multiple times with my "small risk" and then caught a lame runner that didn't make up from the losses. And here was Ace telling me I did everything correctly.

Any Ace Members, current or former, that could offer some advice?

What is lacking here is a fundamental understanding of this business in general and probability in specific. Any market edge (assuming there even is an edge with this AceTrades) is subject to the whims of probability. Meaning (many things...but just to take a few....) sample size the probability is generated from. The winning and losing streaks with in the probability that is completely normal and must be able to be weathered by appropriate position sizing, account size as well as ones choice of markets. Basically, tick size vs. swing size or daily range etc.

Below please find an example of what I am talking about:

We all know the probability of a coin flip is 50/50. 50% heads. 50% tails.....BUT this is ONLY over an infinite sample size.

Here we have a screen shot from my phone of the Random.org app as well as a shot from the app store.



Here we see a 37 coin flip sample size. 15 heads 22 tails. This equals a probability of heads of 40.5%.


Point here is you can, as you say, get killed and there really isn't anything wrong.... except either your account size is too small or your position size is too big or poor market choice or all three or all three plus others I have not yet thought of etc.

Also I'm sure this AceTrades is for the birds anyway..... sorry.

Good luck to you.

Ron

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Wondering if someone can share their first-hand experience that has actually joined Ace Trades, thanks so much! It seems odd that there is really nothing showing what the system actually is or anything anywhere as well.

Thanks so much!

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 bandtasia 
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Wondering if someone can share their first-hand experience that has actually joined Ace Trades, thanks so much! It seems odd that there is really nothing showing what the system actually is or anything anywhere as well.

Thanks so much!

TDRscalper,
You won't find any info showing what the system actually is because there is a nondisclosure agreement. There is a trial you can sign up for and he refers to the Keys. I did write a review, which you can find on this site. I have several cornerstones for my trading, which includes one of the Keys. The most important things I will tell you is that you should NOT try to learn all the Keys until you have mastered the one that makes sense to you the most first, study hard and observe for awhile so you understand the rules and context, which only happens over time, and you should be making trade decisions based on that alone because if you wait for the trading calls, you will be too late in fast markets and if you don't have a full grasp of the method and its limitations, you will be frustrated. With that said, I only use one Key, and it has made a substantial difference in my trading.

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TDRscalper,
You won't find any info showing what the system actually is because there is a nondisclosure agreement. There is a trial you can sign up for and he refers to the Keys. I did write a review, which you can find on this site. I have several cornerstones for my trading, which includes one of the Keys. The most important things I will tell you is that you should NOT try to learn all the Keys until you have mastered the one that makes sense to you the most first, study hard and observe for awhile so you understand the rules and context, which only happens over time, and you should be making trade decisions based on that alone because if you wait for the trading calls, you will be too late in fast markets and if you don't have a full grasp of the method and its limitations, you will be frustrated. With that said, I only use one Key, and it has made a substantial difference in my trading.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write me . I totally understand and would not ask specifics on the system, its only a general idea as to what it is id be interested in, And thank you for explaining how it's working for you.

Is it something unique? And do completely learn to do it on your own without the need to have Ace call it out?

I guess you learn unique support and resistance methods he has?

If your only trading say 2 contracts on ES would it be worth it, as its $3500.

thank you so much again bandtasia, appreciate you!

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 sharmas 
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Why donít you take a 3 day trial and get a good feel of Ace System and his style

In the trial he will draw the blue line based on the 9 Keys

The system works but you will need to unlearn the bad habits and stop second guessing

Sharmas




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Thank you so much for taking the time to write me . I totally understand and would not ask specifics on the system, its only a general idea as to what it is id be interested in, And thank you for explaining how it's working for you.

Is it something unique? And do completely learn to do it on your own without the need to have Ace call it out?

I guess you learn unique support and resistance methods he has?

If your only trading say 2 contracts on ES would it be worth it, as its $3500.

thank you so much again bandtasia, appreciate you!


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Why donít you take a 3 day trial and get a good feel of Ace System and his style

In the trial he will draw the blue line based on the 9 Keys

The system works but you will need to unlearn the bad habits and stop second guessing

Sharmas

Hi Sharmas,

Thank you so much for your reply!

I did the 3 day, I was hoping to get feedback from others that are actually members to see if you learn the strategies or keys so you can do them yourself?

I assume he's teaching some support and resistance keys for entry and targets?

Are you in his program Sharmas? If so can you tell me how it's working out for you?

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer!

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Hi Sharmas,



Thank you so much for your reply!



I did the 3 day, I was hoping to get feedback from others that are actually members to see if you learn the strategies or keys so you can do them yourself?



I assume he's teaching some support and resistance keys for entry and targets?



Are you in his program Sharmas? If so can you tell me how it's working out for you?



Thank you so much for taking the time to answer!



You will learn the keys. The 10 months give you plenty of time.


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You get access to Members lounge where all the training videos and charts examples of each key is listed

As a member you get 2 to 3 days of training with live charts but that becomes 5 days a week of training nearly every week

In todayís trades his Key 1 and Key 9 paid me very well and I traded on my own

There is no support or resistance lines as per what other vendors teach you

Each day the CL ES Gold and nearly every market reveal the keys

Think why every market reverses from a particular place or goes to certain levels
If our normal conventional Support and Ressistance line off 240 mins or daily or weekly worked then why people are struggling

Itís nothing new the information is there right in front of you even now on your chart but you must need to learn to read the chart

That has been my biggest learning

My charts always gets marked up for next days trading with Key 1 and Key 5 and then as the market unfolds I mark the charts with Key 9

Then I deploy Key 10 and that is Discipline

Hope this helps

Sharmas






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Hi Sharmas,

Thank you so much for your reply!

I did the 3 day, I was hoping to get feedback from others that are actually members to see if you learn the strategies or keys so you can do them yourself?

I assume he's teaching some support and resistance keys for entry and targets?

Are you in his program Sharmas? If so can you tell me how it's working out for you?

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer!


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Sharmas

I didn't read your journal back then because you changed your bar type and indicator every day so I knew you were still searching for method that fit you. It seems you found it, happy for you.

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You will learn the keys. The 10 months give you plenty of time.


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Thank you so much. One comment mentioned by a few people was that you get stopped out alot with the small stop ( Floor Traders Probe) Do you find that to be the case?

Also, do you think you can trade the system with a small account, 1 or 2 contracts in a trade?

Thank you!

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You get access to Members lounge where all the training videos and charts examples of each key is listed

As a member you get 2 to 3 days of training with live charts but that becomes 5 days a week of training nearly every week

In todayís trades his Key 1 and Key 9 paid me very well and I traded on my own

There is no support or resistance lines as per what other vendors teach you

Each day the CL ES Gold and nearly every market reveal the keys

Think why every market reverses from a particular place or goes to certain levels
If our normal conventional Support and Ressistance line off 240 mins or daily or weekly worked then why people are struggling

Itís nothing new the information is there right in front of you even now on your chart but you must need to learn to read the chart

That has been my biggest learning

My charts always gets marked up for next days trading with Key 1 and Key 5 and then as the market unfolds I mark the charts with Key 9

Then I deploy Key 10 and that is Discipline

Hope this helps

Sharmas

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TDRscalper,
You won't find any info showing what the system actually is because there is a nondisclosure agreement. There is a trial you can sign up for and he refers to the Keys. I did write a review, which you can find on this site. I have several cornerstones for my trading, which includes one of the Keys. The most important things I will tell you is that you should NOT try to learn all the Keys until you have mastered the one that makes sense to you the most first, study hard and observe for awhile so you understand the rules and context, which only happens over time, and you should be making trade decisions based on that alone because if you wait for the trading calls, you will be too late in fast markets and if you don't have a full grasp of the method and its limitations, you will be frustrated. With that said, I only use one Key, and it has made a substantial difference in my trading.

Thank you so much.

One comment mentioned by a few people was that you do get stopped out often with the small stop ( Floor Traders Probe) Do you find that to be the case?

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Totally agree as the journey has been difficult and with so many offerings one just jumps and tries everything and anything to get the desired result

So many Vendors who are only interested in your hard earned money but never about making you a better or even a trader

Yes I had to go through a lot but now I am settled to my own kind and yes I do still use my levels as per my journals and then incorporating the 9 Keys

We all know if there is one perfect system out there then that person would never share it Right

With the perfect system the person will trade to make millions isnít it

Sharmas

My ES and CL charts with the levels that i calculate at 18.30 hours New York for my ES,CL,GC markets and then i use my trade plan


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I didn't read your journal back then because you changed your bar type and indicator every day so I knew you were still searching for method that fit you. It seems you found it, happy for you.


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Thank you so much. One comment mentioned by a few people was that you get stopped out alot with the small stop ( Floor Traders Probe) Do you find that to be the case?



Also, do you think you can trade the system with a small account, 1 or 2 contracts in a trade?



Thank you!



I donít use the stops he uses. Iím using some of the keys for my entires. My definition of small may be different than yours.


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Thank you so much for taking the time to write me . I totally understand and would not ask specifics on the system, its only a general idea as to what it is id be interested in, And thank you for explaining how it's working for you.

Is it something unique? And do completely learn to do it on your own without the need to have Ace call it out?

I guess you learn unique support and resistance methods he has?

If your only trading say 2 contracts on ES would it be worth it, as its $3500.

thank you so much again bandtasia, appreciate you!

Like many systems, it may use common tools but the uniqueness is how it is pared down and presented. You may even be using some of the common elements already, but the course may challenge how well you are using them; there are also the elements of discipline, prep, and context and speed. Also, a thorough understanding and mastery is required to avoid those quick stops; my choice was simply to not trade one of the Keys because I, quite frankly, suck at it. You only need to master one Key, although some have, over time, mastered all of them. Yes, you should definitely learn it, mastering one key at a time, so your trades, or at least analysis, is ahead of the calls. You can trade starting with 1 contract.

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Like many systems, it may use common tools but the uniqueness is how it is pared down and presented. You may even be using some of the common elements already, but the course may challenge how well you are using them; there are also the elements of discipline, prep, and context and speed. Also, a thorough understanding and mastery is required to avoid those quick stops; my choice was simply to not trade one of the Keys because I, quite frankly, suck at it. You only need to master one Key, although some have, over time, mastered all of them. Yes, you should definitely learn it, mastering one key at a time, so your trades, or at least analysis, is ahead of the calls. You can trade starting with 1 contract.

Thank you so much

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1.) We dont find and learn your edge. We must master one or 2 high probability set ups.
2.) We dont have a Trade Plan. We must know our business Plan and money management
3.) We dont have a defined Goal, what is your daily target, weekly and monthly target
4.) We think if we take this trade or that trade we will make. We are competing against Algos and unlimited pockets

Spend time to read the charts, just pure price action, Go watch one market like ES.

See how it works and behaves. Then look at the chart in 15 second interval. We the retail traders are taught to take 5 or 10 or 15 minute charts.

We enter a trade and it retraces to hit our stop and only then it goes in the direction of your trade. But if you enter in smaller time frame with your defined levels things will start to make sense.

We must learn PRICE ACTION. nothing comes close, indicators are lagging, indicators only plot after the price has moved. It will never give you the edge. Why are there thousands of indicators yet none gives that edge.

We the little guys keep searching for that magic indicator. Its not there.

Learn the instrument and go with say $125.00 per trade profit. Take the next set up that is predefined for you in your trade plan to give you an edge.

Do this for 5 days. Yes there will be losses. Repeat this again and soon you will build confidence. Repeat this for 3-4 weeks. Then add another contract and do the same.

Compound the account just like Ace system teaches you and you still do the same thing over and over. You will end up trading 5 to 10 and then 10 to 20 contracts but taking that same set up that happens everyday.

Keep it super simple, never over trade and as Ace says dont get greedy and give it back. Stick to your plan.

Plan your trade and Trade your Plan and Keep your Greens.

Sharmas





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Like many systems, it may use common tools but the uniqueness is how it is pared down and presented. You may even be using some of the common elements already, but the course may challenge how well you are using them; there are also the elements of discipline, prep, and context and speed. Also, a thorough understanding and mastery is required to avoid those quick stops; my choice was simply to not trade one of the Keys because I, quite frankly, suck at it. You only need to master one Key, although some have, over time, mastered all of them. Yes, you should definitely learn it, mastering one key at a time, so your trades, or at least analysis, is ahead of the calls. You can trade starting with 1 contract.


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1.) We dont find and learn your edge. We must master one or 2 high probability set ups.
2.) We dont have a Trade Plan. We must know our business Plan and money management
3.) We dont have a defined Goal, what is your daily target, weekly and monthly target
4.) We think if we take this trade or that trade we will make. We are competing against Algos and unlimited pockets

Spend time to read the charts, just pure price action, Go watch one market like ES.

See how it works and behaves. Then look at the chart in 15 second interval. We the retail traders are taught to take 5 or 10 or 15 minute charts.

We enter a trade and it retraces to hit our stop and only then it goes in the direction of your trade. But if you enter in smaller time frame with your defined levels things will start to make sense.

We must learn PRICE ACTION. nothing comes close, indicators are lagging, indicators only plot after the price has moved. It will never give you the edge. Why are there thousands of indicators yet none gives that edge.

We the little guys keep searching for that magic indicator. Its not there.

Learn the instrument and go with say $125.00 per trade profit. Take the next set up that is predefined for you in your trade plan to give you an edge.

Do this for 5 days. Yes there will be losses. Repeat this again and soon you will build confidence. Repeat this for 3-4 weeks. Then add another contract and do the same.

Compound the account just like Ace system teaches you and you still do the same thing over and over. You will end up trading 5 to 10 and then 10 to 20 contracts but taking that same set up that happens everyday.

Keep it super simple, never over trade and as Ace says dont get greedy and give it back. Stick to your plan.

Plan your trade and Trade your Plan and Keep your Greens.

Sharmas

Thanks Sharmas! Sounds like your very happy with the Ace System it seems. Thank you for taking the time to write and share !!

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Attended trial. Carnival room. nothing useful. Throwing people out and moving blue lines all over the place . Buy now ...sell now ..its going up folks. longs...no shorts..took out .75 pivot now short now longs. Everyone got that 5 pts.

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Draw a line anywhere on a chart. If price is below sell the line with a .75 to 1.50 probe stop. when stopped buy at the line with a .75 to 1.5 stop and keep switching and enjoy the many small stops. Eventually you will catch doubles. triples whole hands , fake hands many hands ect..

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Tied her trial and she uses 10-12 second charts on the ES. 12 seconds on GC and 12 on CL. Draw a line anywhere on your chart, if price is below sell the line with traders floor probe .75 as stop. If it hits yo probe buy that line and use .75 probe as stop over and over....you get lots of 1 point stop and chop but you eventually get 5 point straights and flushes...and enjoy the polka music...all this for 3650. Her system would work well if she can avoid the stop and chop.

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A recent testimonial of "Ace" (amidst other obviously shilled comments): https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/ace-trades-review/#comment-33333

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New to this forum and wondering if anyone has recent experience with Ace Trades. I sat in on a few live sessions and the support/resistance line that was used proved effective and profitable for those in the room. Not sure what determines that line and curious about how those execute during fast moving markets of late. Thanks for any feedback on insights

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New to this forum and wondering if anyone has recent experience with Ace Trades. I sat in on a few live sessions and the support/resistance line that was used proved effective and profitable for those in the room. Not sure what determines that line and curious about how those execute during fast moving markets of late. Thanks for any feedback on insights

Those lines are part of Ace's 9 Keys and over time students learn and are able to draw those lines on their own.

Yes i do use the methodology and personally have learnt a lot from Mr Ace and this is all based on my own personal experience.
It will take a while to unlearn and then to trust the calls or the Keys, just the human nature.

The trading becomes easier when you have the edge with the probability of targets

People need to find a methodology that suits their method of trading or are willing to unlearn and relearn. Otherwise as the saying goes.

Doing same thing over and over but expecting a different results will never get you making money on daily basis.

May be join in again for a free trial to evaluate it for yourself.

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Hi Sharmas,

Thank you so much for your reply!

I did the 3 day, I was hoping to get feedback from others that are actually members to see if you learn the strategies or keys so you can do them yourself?

I assume he's teaching some support and resistance keys for entry and targets?

Are you in his program Sharmas? If so can you tell me how it's working out for you?

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer!

Hi, I did several trials myself, And then my best buddy finally bought the system. So first of all it's a teaching room once you get in and it's then not like the trials where he draws a line for you.

The entire system is almost the same as PATS with Mac or any common trading knowledge of support resistance higher lows lower highs and trend lines. As you know Pats updates most days on YouTube with Trends/Sup/Res, (Lower High trend line down, for example is exactly the same as Key9)and prior support and resistance(Two other Key codes). The word key is simply a code. Key 9 is a trend line. The other key is basically the market is in an auction so you should sell high and buy low. The live room is mostly run teaching and reviewing after the fact.
The people making the money are people who have lots of trading experience and large size accounts. As matter of fact out of thousands of students most of them probably lost their money at some point or left the room. My friend has not had a five-point runner since he joined and really he's just sticking to his own system of trading.
So don't get the idea that is live room is set up to help you trade it's not it's only there to help you be educated after the fact on support and resistance and trend lines, volume. there's more available during his trials than there is in the live room.If he ran the live room as he did his trials everyday then it would be better and much different but he doesn't. As Matter of fact, even in the live room for members, he's yapping to people as if they're not members and talking about how good his system is (selling members), all in hindsight (And that's what it's like everyday). Ace I guess his name is Kevin, is definitely the best salesman around. I'm sure he sold 1,000 systems but where are the 1,000 winners. And a lot of the testimonies are years old and those people are gone. Of course out of 100 people in the room three people are going to be a few bragging because they finally got a winning or the same three rich people with huge accounts love to brag. But, when some new guy who doesn't know what he's doing made 10 points, it doesn't mean that anybody else did. You don't know their experience, account size or even if they're actually using other methods other than Ace. Also note in the live room that most of the time he's so busy bragging and talking about other markets and after the fact teaching that he's not showing any alive trades or live blue lines And he misses these almost every day because he's talking about other things and his charts popping it up are not stable on your screen so he can show you whatever he wants. He'll flip over to natural gas after the fact while missing other trades. He's fully teaching after the fact his system which is good. But as a live room there's absolutely no benefit of help in real live trading. When he has a live demo day you can't see the live demo room which is even better than the members room because at least he's drawing a line in real time. On the plus side if you're brand new to trading and you don't know what a trendline is, support and resistance, auction market theory (Sell high and buy low), then it's okay. As far as time frames it says you can use any time frame like 1 minute 2 minute or 3 minute doesn't matter there's no rules. mostly he just has everything on a one minute because he's just looking for prior support resistance and trend lines. Targets are just taking swings and copying the distance of that swing lower again for the target. In a general heater sucks for 5 or 10 points in the live demo room off whichever key line he ends up choosing for the morning (prior trend line, lower high, support and resistance turns). If it's was as good as he really showed then why it isn't he trading a hundred lots or trading at all? Of course now he's trying to implement something like that or use something from one of his big boys to make sales. That's all he's really caring about is sales and that's what he's really good at, if not the best in the business. I expected even someone else to be running his life room that would have six different markets up and have the lines drawn for you each day. But as a total disappointment that Ace is still in there trying to sell you the system even though you already bought it basically. All in hindsight and no charts stably in front of you. Plus you have to pay for hotcomm. A lot of people get suckered into this one. I could probably set up my own course at a fraction of the cost. I was disappointed in what I saw in the members room after seeing over 10 trials.

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Hi

I am not affiliated to any room or vendor and that also includes Ace trades. I have been a member of Ace Trades for a number of years and continue to learn and use his methodology.

I have been a member of this fantastic Big Mike forum and that too being regarded as founding member. I have been burnt a number of times and paid a lot but wasn't successful at all.

We the retail traders have to align our vendor that suites our way of trading. Some like to get confirmation with a number of indicators and some who use just Trend-lines

Ace does call Live trades in the room for members and may be does a little extra for the trials and as any vendor or business why wont you like to impress.

Also he has a page where he posts his Recaps and if one wants they can go and watch them and mark their own charts to see if the calls are valid and on the mark.

For me personally i have learnt and become profitable under the guidance of Kevin and Ace Methodology. I mark my chart at 5.30 pm Eastern and wait for the price to come to the levels and also look at 3 specific Keys that i trade on daily basis. The Key 6 has worked wonders for me

Biggest learning has been i dont fiddle in the middle and this system has given me confidence to stay in the trade longer than just few ticks or 2 points.

ES has been amazing last few months.Watch his recaps and if you want do take a trial and if you learn 1 key point that could be worth it, to add to your arsenal of trading box kit.


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Hi, I did several trials myself, And then my best buddy finally bought the system. So first of all it's a teaching room once you get in and it's then not like the trials where he draws a line for you.
.. Targets ...
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reminder: since he was member of KF's room before, the same terms are also in KF doc which I uploaded in the thread
futures.io/trading-reviews-vendors/7051-www-acetrades-com-2.html#post322146

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Hi, I did several trials myself, And then my best buddy finally bought the system. So first of all it's a teaching room once you get in and it's then not like the trials where he draws a line for you.

The entire system is almost the same as PATS with Mac or any common trading knowledge of support resistance higher lows lower highs and trend lines. As you know Pats updates most days on YouTube with Trends/Sup/Res, (Lower High trend line down, for example is exactly the same as Key9)and prior support and resistance(Two other Key codes). The word key is simply a code. Key 9 is a trend line. The other key is basically the market is in an auction so you should sell high and buy low. The live room is mostly run teaching and reviewing after the fact.
The people making the money are people who have lots of trading experience and large size accounts. As matter of fact out of thousands of students most of them probably lost their money at some point or left the room. My friend has not had a five-point runner since he joined and really he's just sticking to his own system of trading.
So don't get the idea that is live room is set up to help you trade it's not it's only there to help you be educated after the fact on support and resistance and trend lines, volume. there's more available during his trials than there is in the live room.If he ran the live room as he did his trials everyday then it would be better and much different but he doesn't. As Matter of fact, even in the live room for members, he's yapping to people as if they're not members and talking about how good his system is (selling members), all in hindsight (And that's what it's like everyday). Ace I guess his name is Kevin, is definitely the best salesman around. I'm sure he sold 1,000 systems but where are the 1,000 winners. And a lot of the testimonies are years old and those people are gone. Of course out of 100 people in the room three people are going to be a few bragging because they finally got a winning or the same three rich people with huge accounts love to brag. But, when some new guy who doesn't know what he's doing made 10 points, it doesn't mean that anybody else did. You don't know their experience, account size or even if they're actually using other methods other than Ace. Also note in the live room that most of the time he's so busy bragging and talking about other markets and after the fact teaching that he's not showing any alive trades or live blue lines And he misses these almost every day because he's talking about other things and his charts popping it up are not stable on your screen so he can show you whatever he wants. He'll flip over to natural gas after the fact while missing other trades. He's fully teaching after the fact his system which is good. But as a live room there's absolutely no benefit of help in real live trading. When he has a live demo day you can't see the live demo room which is even better than the members room because at least he's drawing a line in real time. On the plus side if you're brand new to trading and you don't know what a trendline is, support and resistance, auction market theory (Sell high and buy low), then it's okay. As far as time frames it says you can use any time frame like 1 minute 2 minute or 3 minute doesn't matter there's no rules. mostly he just has everything on a one minute because he's just looking for prior support resistance and trend lines. Targets are just taking swings and copying the distance of that swing lower again for the target. In a general heater sucks for 5 or 10 points in the live demo room off whichever key line he ends up choosing for the morning (prior trend line, lower high, support and resistance turns). If it's was as good as he really showed then why it isn't he trading a hundred lots or trading at all? Of course now he's trying to implement something like that or use something from one of his big boys to make sales. That's all he's really caring about is sales and that's what he's really good at, if not the best in the business. I expected even someone else to be running his life room that would have six different markets up and have the lines drawn for you each day. But as a total disappointment that Ace is still in there trying to sell you the system even though you already bought it basically. All in hindsight and no charts stably in front of you. Plus you have to pay for hotcomm. A lot of people get suckered into this one. I could probably set up my own course at a fraction of the cost. I was disappointed in what I saw in the members room after seeing over 10 trials.

Can you please identify PATS and location? Grateful.

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Price action chart lessons by Mack's PATS Trading (priceactiontradingsystem.com)

youtube PATsTrading put your 2000Tick chart up, or similar.. It doesn't matter.. and draw your Price Action lines how you see them.

As far as a live room goes.. why isn't every member winning? Why is it mainly the same 3 people bragging in the room.
(why trade 3 lots after years?) Why still go to work?
How do you know other members are only using that system or room?
Everybody is different.
A "Key" is a simple term (turned into a mystery) of a simple trend line or prior resistance or Volume. Take a shot at the highs and low points and see how you do.
There is no real time in his live room. It's mostly teaching after the fact. Anybody can draw it out... even Mac.
There is no secret of trend lines, volume,, etc. Trading takes experience... a lot of it.

Good luck on your adventure.

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Price action chart lessons by Mack's PATS Trading (priceactiontradingsystem.com)

youtube PATsTrading put your 2000Tick chart up, or similar.. It doesn't matter.. and draw your Price Action lines how you see them.

As far as a live room goes.. why isn't every member winning? Why is it mainly the same 3 people bragging in the room.
(why trade 3 lots after years?) Why still go to work?
How do you know other members are only using that system or room?
Everybody is different.
A "Key" is a simple term (turned into a mystery) of a simple trend line or prior resistance or Volume. Take a shot at the highs and low points and see how you do.
There is no real time in his live room. It's mostly teaching after the fact. Anybody can draw it out... even Mac.
There is no secret of trend lines, volume,, etc. Trading takes experience... a lot of it.

Good luck on your adventure.

Hello

I had a look at the videos by PATsTrading and i am not here to argue or to get into who does what

From my personal trading experience ACE system is totally different from PATs system.
You will not see any moving averages and will not see that many trendlines on the chart and Ace system uses seconds and minute charts.

But as i have said before, as a trader we need to find a vendor that fits in our own way and style of trading.

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