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I thought this would be a great place to post my trading rules, charts, talk about the setups, winners, losers, ones that set up and I missed and so forth.
I am using a 6 pip range bar on the GPBUSD and will use the same for the EURUSD.
Lets start with the rules for trend trades first.

  1. Pullback momentum trade entry rules
  1. Price bars must be on correct side of large triggers and large trigger in our direction or weakening,
  2. Bars must be in trade color yellow for down, green for up and should be on correct side of mid-band.
  3. Wait for a pullback to an area within a couple ticks. (if area is MB then MB must be trade direction color or wait for price to close on correct side of signal line)
  4. Enter on a reversal bar from area
  5. Macds in trade direction with weak pullback.
  6. Never enter a trade outside of the outer bands.
Stops
1. Initial stop is 2 ticks above/below the entry bar
2. Move stop to BE at 10 pips/ticks
3. Exit half of your position at Outer Bands
4. exit second half when the Parabolic flips AND your price bar closes against you. If Parabolic flips and price bar closes
back in the trade direction then move stop two ticks above/below that bar.

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Here are the charts for my reversal trades using two time frames, I will post all of the rules in a little later.
I use an 89 tick chart for areas and entry/exit and a 233 tick chart for areas and direction.

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Here is my first live trade this morning, it was a 30 pip runner to my area and a reversal type trade in the direction of the larger chart. I became very tired and grabbed 6 pips then went to rest for a few as I was up at 2:00amEST (full move on this trade was 70+ pips)

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Here is the first pound dollar trade of the morning, I had just stepped away from my EC trade and crashed for a few minuts and look what I missed.

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Hi Jam,

It looks like NexZen charts,
they use BB, S/R and BB lines ??????????


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Hi Sukhsan,
I do use nexgen fibs in my EC charts as well as my own variation of Balance and fibs. As for the other indicators, they were not developed by Nexgen only copied.
For example, the large triggers are linear regression MA and an MA of the LRMA. I do not use the small triggs but instead have adapted a Hull MA which I find better for me. The Keltner is a 55 period EMA with a displacment of 3.4. And on my GDP chart I have nothing from Nexgen at all.

They have a nice trading package and it cost me a lot of money for not only the package, but trying to trade their rules as well for over 4 1/2 years. In the free room that I moderate mostly with a few Nexgen people on and off, when question I always have to ask, are you profitable, if so keep doing what you are doing. No one has every said they were profitable when asked.

Hope this helps

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Thanks for the reply

I was using it on TF but in these days I am trading 6E
it is very close to NexZen indicators
I used BB(3.5,52), Lin (89), macd BBs and my own power bars

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Nice charts, just remember, Nexgen never invented any of theseonly copied and sold.

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Second EC reversal trade stopped -3 ticks

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sukhsan, thanks for posting your NT charts... did you develop the MACD BB's or are they available somewhere? the gray area looks like Keltner bands, not BB's... were the BB settings you mention those on the MACD?

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Nice charts, just remember, Nexgen never invented any of theseonly copied and sold.

OHHH that i don't know thanks for the update,
anxious to see your set up rules

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sukhsan, thanks for posting your NT charts... did you develop the MACD BB's or are they available somewhere? the gray area looks like Keltner bands, not BB's... were the BB settings you mention those on the MACD?

Saroj,

here is Macd BB lines
Links and Downloads Manager - Indicators - NinjaTrader Support Forum

KC's basic is SMA i change it to EMA, Gray ares is KC u r right

NexZen use TriggerLines u will find it it Ninja support --Indicators section"T"

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Saroj

The MACDBBs arelocated in the NT forums, I have them as well, just that I prefer Tradestation over Ninja 6.5. If you cant find then send me your email and I will send them to you.

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Sukhsan,
My trand trade stup and exit rules are posted, I will post the EXT trades when I get more time.

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I'm finding stuff... I'll let you know if something "shows up missing" or doesn't look right.. thanks for your help... the BB's give natural exits along with other approachs so that part doesn't worry me... I've been trying to sort through a good set of reversal rules so I appreciate your posts.

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Here is 3 more pound trades today, these are by the rules. I did not take these live as I was working with a trader and I am done for the day. I expect the week to be slow and choppy as we wind down summer and get closer to the holiday.

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Hey Jam, appreciate your journal. I'm with you that Nexgen is simply copying already available indicators and raping the newbie (naive) traders. I don't mean to be unfairly harsh, but $16,000 for an indicator package? Give me a freaking break!

And the other day I see this "blue wave" indicator, and they want $3,900?? That's Bullsh*t!

I just hope not too many new traders get sucked in to thinking that those indicators must be the road to riches, because they're so expensive.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox.

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Another pound signal, +18 for half and + 45 second half

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Jugador,
I paid 7K for Nexgen five years ago, and would never pay 16500 for it.

All I can say though, is that I never could get profitable with their rules!!!!

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Jugador... I agree with you 100%

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Jim, thanks again for your posts and sharing... I've gone through all your posts and identified all that I can... I've posted an image of what I've determined with question marks where I don't know or am not 100% certain. When you get time, would you please confirm what I've marked up... especially where I have question marks... I'm not so concerned about settings as I can experiment with those or use my own personal favorites.

Questions:
  1. 20 MA of LRMA - is this SMA or EMA or ?
  2. Hull ma - correct as identified; settings?
  3. What colors the bars green or yellow?
  4. in rule#1, you say, "Price bars must be on correct side of large triggers and large trigger in our direction or weakening." by "weakening", do you mean that their slope is hinting at a turn?
  5. What do you mean by "signal line"?
  6. What do you mean by "weak pullback" in the MACD?
Many thanks!

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Other questions:
  • what do “OH” and “OSH” mean?
  • what does “LG trigs (triggers)”
  • is there a NT “balance point” indicator?
  • What is an “ EXT trade”?
Again, many thanks for indulging these questions... hope you don't feel you've opened Pandora's Box...

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OH = Half off and OSH = second half off
LG = large triggers (Linear regression avaerage and a MA of the LRMA)
the Balance point is yesterdays (high + low + close)/3
EXT is ehen the price is outside of the outer keltner bend AND at other areas such as fibs and gives a short signal.
The yellow dot hasa no significance for the MACDs.
The LRMA setings are 80 and 20
Hope this helps,
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thanks much Jim... I'll get a chart together in NT and see how it compares.

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sukhsan, I looked for SSMacDBG in the NT Forum files... couldn't find it although I did find MACDBBLines posted by Gumphrie... I thought you might have customized it for yourself and renamed it, but I wanted to be sure... What settings are you using for the MACD BBs?

You wrote: "I used BB(3.5,52), Lin (89), macd BBs and my own power bars".
Are you saying on the price panel you are using BB based on 52sma with a Std Dev of 3.5? or are these KC settings... 3.5 seems odd for a BB Std Dev...

Also, what KC indicator are you using that gives a diff plot for rising vs. falling and also shades in the area in between? I'll make these changes if one isn't already available... but I'm still stumbling along with NinjaScript coding.

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Saroj

I used Macd BB by default 12,26,9 and simply chg its background color when it cross zero line means when yellow dot appear
I changed Keltner channel with color 's base from sma to ema and used its value 3.5 multiplier and period to 52 technically its ema 52
3rd one is linear regressiom value is 89
u can use trigger lines( Links and Downloads Manager - Indicators - NinjaTrader Support Forum) as trigger
anything else let me know

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sorry for the delay in updating, but have been putting in 12 hours+ improving, teaching and helping traders. We have major improvements and stay tuned as I start posting new charts and rules. My number one rule is NO BLOWN OUT ACCOUNTS. And number 2 is if your are trading LIVE and losing money then STOP TRADING LIVE.

There I just made you some money by helping you keep what you have lol

Anyway, stay tuned for some great stuff coming, just very time limited now that I am training traders from all over the world.

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Here are three videos that may be of benefit.

What it takes to trade for a living video
trading

Basic money management video (advanced one on site)
Money Management Video

Actual trade day recap with my traders
Live trade day example

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Ok,

Lets start by saying that we have honed in our system and trading methods. Here are some charts. The fisrt chart was

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Several of my students trade oil (too fast for me to teach and trade this one)

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Thanks for showing us your stuff, JamTT.

What are those horizontal S/R zones based on?

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Pivots and fibs from a 45 Range bar posted on a 5 pip Range bar. Very similar to Jackson Zones

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Another great morning!

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Saroj - the BB's give natural exits along with other approachs so that part doesn't worry me
Could you explain how to set the BB to show me exits. i have MACD BB in my chart. I am struggling w/ exits, so needed some help

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Here are two must watch videos for all traders that are struggling or new traders that think money will just flow into your accounts. Trading can be mastered, but just like all other professions, it takes time, discipline, commitment, money, and a proper education.

Trading is a business, treat it like one and you have a chance, treat it like a hobby and you will fail.

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here we go

"Risk more than others think safe.
Dream more than others think practical.
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Here is a topping and bottoming action video that I made over the weekend,

Trading Reversal Patterns

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Making money trading doesn't have to be that hard! However, we as educated hard working people always want to make things much harder than they are. In keeping this thread alive I will post some of my trades, discuss my system and how I add discretion to my system. Please share your experiences as well.

In the first chart you will notice a break of a previous bottom on my 15 Range bar chart, that signaled me to start looking at my 5R for an entry signal to the downside., If the entry signal does not happen and this move is faded back up, then I continue to read the price action bar by bar until the next setup occurs.

The second chart shows my entry price, first exit and news exit. This was good for a little over 35 pips.


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Here is a reversal that I took after a trend line break then a confirmation pivot break. At that point I go to my 5R and look for an entry. You can add on all the way up with specific pullbacks.




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Triple bottom on the 15R, break of a trend line up, go to 5R and start looking for longs. Be careful of 50% retrace but looking to test the old top at 124.60

Entered on a f-4 pullback.



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Here is the 15R and 5R. I will post final chart when out


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Half off and close add ons at daily zone update!! We are still in one half of original position


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We are still trailing second half of original position behind an ATR stop

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Still in second half and moving up again. Probably close to over, near a 15R double top.

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Out on ATR close and news in 10 minutes.

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Another good day. This is a lot of work trying to keep up with and trade, I will do my best

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Reversal entry

BTW, anyone ever listen to the new Skynyrd album, God and Guns?

Just put it on 15minutes ago to trade with while my son handles the room. It is very good!!

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Still Holding

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I do not add on to reversals until a new trend is confirmed in the higher time frame.

Also, while I am in this reversal short, There is a strong possibility that it breaks the triangle up. if that happens, I will exit this and start looking for longs in the original trend direction.



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Out, no longs yet

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If you are interested in discussing my pattern trades please let me know. I would be happy to get a discussion going regarding. Remember, every time I teach, I learn!

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Hey Jam...

Can't play your posted videos. Looks like they require a password?

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Ozzie,

Please let me know which video as I can open all three with no issues. Also, here is a webinar on price action, enjoy!

https://www.screencast.com/t/YWZiMGIyNWI

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Hi Jam,

i really would appreciate you keep discussing your setups here, very helpful for me and others.

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^+1 I think your videos and content have been some of the most helpful on this forum.

Keep it up!

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Than you for letting me know guys, I will start posting again and teaching as well as more videos.

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Last week my wife and I attended a free seminar for 5 days (3 hours a day) hosted by signaltrading.net

JAM's (Jim) son Michael hosted the seminar and went through:

The basics of a trading plan
Setting goals and treating trading as a business
What it takes to succeed in trading
Setting up NinjaTrader 7.0
Using a free forex provider with NT 7.0
Money management
Trading expenses (since it is a business)
Drawdown management
Multi-chart trading to understand important areas of the market
Their method and tools in depth
Their custom indicators
Their custom strategies
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Use of support and resistance
Trading flags
Trading triangle breakouts
Pre-market analysis
Post-market analysis
Their advancement process
The markets they trade and the order they add the markets
Live trading in the room for 2 days

Overall this was a great session. Of course they are trying to get you to join their trading family because they are providing a paid service. But I was totally impressed with the amount of information they provided about their process and the transparency of their information. I didn't feel like I was seeing something just for that day. Also, they were not selling "magic trading dust." They were upfront on what it takes to succeed and the easy ways to fail. Also, there were no high pressure sales tactics. Basically, "Here's who we are and what we do. Come join us if you would like. We will be here doing the same session next week if you want to come back to the free session again."

As some of you know I'm trying to teach my wife to trade. She is willing to learn but she is not comfortable researching this on her own. If I don't have the time due to my day job or I am not successful I will definitely recommend her going with signaltrading.net and JAM to get the attention she will need.

Great job Jam. Thanks again

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From what i heard they are doing a good job for a starter. I think the owner was a student of NexGen in his past life. They copied some of their indicators and got rid of the Fibonacci confluence zones and probably improved the NexGen methodology overall putting more emphasis on the mental process. It's always interesting to see where all these companies come from. Many of these cies are just offspring of other courses on the net.

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Last week my wife and I attended a free seminar for 5 days (3 hours a day) hosted by signaltrading.net

JAM's (Jim) son Michael hosted the seminar and went through:

The basics of a trading plan
Setting goals and treating trading as a business
What it takes to succeed in trading
Setting up NinjaTrader 7.0
Using a free forex provider with NT 7.0
Money management
Trading expenses (since it is a business)
Drawdown management
Multi-chart trading to understand important areas of the market
Their method and tools in depth
Their custom indicators
Their custom strategies
Trade setups
Use of support and resistance
Trading flags
Trading triangle breakouts
Pre-market analysis
Post-market analysis
Their advancement process
The markets they trade and the order they add the markets
Live trading in the room for 2 days

Overall this was a great session. Of course they are trying to get you to join their trading family because they are providing a paid service. But I was totally impressed with the amount of information they provided about their process and the transparency of their information. I didn't feel like I was seeing something just for that day. Also, they were not selling "magic trading dust." They were upfront on what it takes to succeed and the easy ways to fail. Also, there were no high pressure sales tactics. Basically, "Here's who we are and what we do. Come join us if you would like. We will be here doing the same session next week if you want to come back to the free session again."

As some of you know I'm trying to teach my wife to trade. She is willing to learn but she is not comfortable researching this on her own. If I don't have the time due to my day job or I am not successful I will definitely recommend her going with signaltrading.net and JAM to get the attention she will need.

Great job Jam. Thanks again

Andrew

Andrew,
Thank you for the feedback, I am glad you were impressed. This was our first education week and I know we need to make a few adjustments however, I feel we have a great start and we really spend a lot of time on psychology, trading plans and journaling your trades.

Again,
thank you for the kind words.

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From what i heard they are doing a good job for a starter. I think the owner was a student of NexGen in his past life. They copied some of their indicators and got rid of the Fibonacci confluence zones and probably improved the NexGen methodology overall putting more emphasis on the mental process. It's always interesting to see where all these companies come from. Many of these cies are just offspring of other courses on the net.

Trend,

Yes you are correct, I was in the Nexgen room and that is what prompted me to start my own room. I watched a lot of students struggle and to embarrassed to say anything in the room, they would just quietly go away. Nexgen does a great job, don't get me wrong, but we wanted to focus on more psychology, consistency and trading plans.

As far as indicators, we have not taken anything from Nexgen at all, I am a technical analyst with 16 years of experience of study, and MTA level 1, will finish probably next couple years.

Sincerely,

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I enjoyed it. Makes me think of what's happening in some corners of futures.io (formerly BMT) now, some of our well versed traders working with the MACDBB, etc. I agree with AR01, SignalTrading seems like a class act. Wish I had met someone like Jam when I started this biz or a least read this tread when I joined futures.io (formerly BMT). Oh well..............today is fine................

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With Big Mike's permission, I will start teaching again. When my work is appreciated, then teaching becomes enjoyable, stay tuned for some new lessons and new techniques that I have learned over the last year as well. And as always, backtest yourself, and stay consistent, start in sim with your rules, then go live on a small account preferably Micro Forex. Micro Forex allows you to go live risking very little money, so you can work on psychology.

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With Big Mike's permission, I will start teaching again. When my work is appreciated, then teaching becomes enjoyable, stay tuned for some new lessons and new techniques that I have learned over the last year as well. And as always, backtest yourself, and stay consistent, start in sim with your rules, then go live on a small account preferably Micro Forex. Micro Forex allows you to go live risking very little money, so you can work on psychology.

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Jam, you are welcome here - just follow the rules: no promotion, be nice, and your golden!

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I don't see how this is different from Nexgen or from Eminiacademy.com.

Can you explain?

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I don't see how this is different from Nexgen or from Eminiacademy.com.

Can you explain?

Thanks.

JS,

I am not sure who Emini Acadamy is, but as far as Nexgen, I was a member years ago in that room. The reason that I left Nexgen and started my own room was two fold -
  • To teach the truth about trading and give my traders an edge by keeping them in the game without blowing out
  • To work on the psycology of trading which is 80%

Trading is not easy and some will never make it because they do not have the work ethic needed. The ones that do make it put in the work necessary and are not looking for a free ride.

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you moved your videos? cannot view.

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I could not take the hard sale, and could never get a straight answer out of him. Does anybody know what he charges for his services? Just curiosity at this point.

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I could not take the hard sale, and could never get a straight answer out of him. Does anybody know what he charges for his services? Just curiosity at this point.


This guy's stuff is horrible. He's got way too many things going on at once. He sells all kinds of different software, and then has another course teaching you how to trade manually. So he's got like 3 or 4 methods going at once. The whole thing is way too confusing to make money.

The basic rule that all the methods have in common is to trade breakouts. That's it! There's not much more to it then that. Then he keeps telling you to trade them until you make money. So in other words, you can lose 4 or 5 in a row and you will still be trading them. It's a joke.

Unless you have a really large account that can withstand HUGE drawdowns, forget it. And even then, I still don't know that you would be ahead. If you run into a bad streak, you are done. Anything you buy from him is a waste of money in my opinion. Nobody in the room is making money consistently. If he tells you they are, ask to see their account statement for the past 6 months.

Please SAVE your money!

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I could not take the hard sale, and could never get a straight answer out of him. Does anybody know what he charges for his services? Just curiosity at this point.

There was no hard sale as we do not employ any sales persons at all, if you would not have insulted me and my team in the trial area, then you would not have been blocked from the trial.

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This guy's stuff is horrible. He's got way too many things going on at once. He sells all kinds of different software, and then has another course teaching you how to trade manually. So he's got like 3 or 4 methods going at once. The whole thing is way too confusing to make money.

The basic rule that all the methods have in common is to trade breakouts. That's it! There's not much more to it then that. Then he keeps telling you to trade them until you make money. So in other words, you can lose 4 or 5 in a row and you will still be trading them. It's a joke.

Unless you have a really large account that can withstand HUGE drawdowns, forget it. And even then, I still don't know that you would be ahead. If you run into a bad streak, you are done. Anything you buy from him is a waste of money in my opinion. Nobody in the room is making money consistently. If he tells you they are, ask to see their account statement for the past 6 months.

Please SAVE your money!

JS12, we were going through a transition from discretionary to semi automated and now automated trading as we were building out our discretionary rules into an automated system. when you came in we were in that transition, please come back and you will see one method and one system. It is not for everyone for sure, but during the transition, I had to keep the old stuff for our original members. I will spend some time with you so you can get a true understanding and if you still feel that we are truly "horrible" then you can certainly repost this message.

Also, as far as nobody in the room making money consistently this is a false statement period, and one that you have no clue what you are talking about, come in the room and ask my members, "full Transparency" they will share account statements and live trading.

As for just breakouts, this statement alone tells me that you do not know what we do, because our system is not about entries, but instead about trade management and position sizing. Do we have a breakout trade? yes, and we have pullback trades as well, and we incorporate choppy filters, multiple contract rules with targets and trailing runners, our money is not made from the entry but instead from the exits.

Again, I invite you back in and I will personally walk you through my system and you can then write a corrected post.

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There was no hard sale as we do not employ any sales persons at all, if you would not have insulted me and my team in the trial area, then you would not have been blocked from the trial.

JAM

I did not insult you and you did not block me from the trial. I asked you how much your system cost, before I signed up for a hotcomm subscription, and you came back with "how much is it worth to you to make a 6 to 7 figure income' and i said I'm not looking for a sales job, and signed out.

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thanks for the clear and direct answer to my questions. pls take me off your mailing list. (he answered "with pleasure")


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Pat,


That was me "JAM The Trader" and I am no salesmen. In fact I don't employ ant salesmen, if you would have not left so quick and been in the trial you would have seen live trading and very good REAL money on the week, and another great week.


We are a small room and I like it that way, as I can choose who I except for my clients!!


Let me know if you are serious about trading or just looking for some holy grail system to which at that point we are not for you. If you are serious about trading then you will need to spend a week in the room, if not, then please don't!

From me: did not take your trial. it needed hotcomm paid version. and asked a simple question when logging in about the cost of your services, and got the beginning of a sales pitch. if you can simply answer with a price sheet, and a movie or screenshots of it working, that would be great. i'm sales pitch adverse. i also inquired on your big mike's thread as well.



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This guy's stuff is horrible. The basic rule that all the methods have in common is to trade breakouts. That's it! There's not much more to it then that. Please SAVE your money!

Thanks again. My spidey sense tingled early and often with this one.

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hi - i just wanted to say that i had a chance to check out the room a few times on the free trial and have talked to Jam on skype - i have not signed up or paid for anything but they were still very open about all their ideas and setups - alot of the system has to do with price action and money managment and like every other system it makes and losses money - as a trader you have to be comfortable in your own skin and with your own understanding of the market and its movements - there will be losses but trading is about making more money from your winners to cover those losses,
alot of people go to rooms beacuse trading in aa group or listing makes the day more fun - its lonely out there on your own. Some people go and try to find the holy grail or get the systme that will help them retire quickly, does not work and will not happen

Jam is a nice guy running a business, selling products and services , if you like and trust him buy it if not find someone else , he does not try to cheat you or screw around with you.

Again , i trade on my own with my own friends and small group but had to speak up

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hi - i just wanted to say that i had a chance to check out the room a few times on the free trial and have talked to Jam on skype - i have not signed up or paid for anything but they were still very open about all their ideas and setups - alot of the system has to do with price action and money managment and like every other system it makes and losses money - as a trader you have to be comfortable in your own skin and with your own understanding of the market and its movements - there will be losses but trading is about making more money from your winners to cover those losses,
alot of people go to rooms beacuse trading in aa group or listing makes the day more fun - its lonely out there on your own. Some people go and try to find the holy grail or get the systme that will help them retire quickly, does not work and will not happen

Jam is a nice guy running a business, selling products and services , if you like and trust him buy it if not find someone else , he does not try to cheat you or screw around with you.

Again , i trade on my own with my own friends and small group but had to speak up

thanks and good luck

Good points. I look into a number of things, bought several, always learn something. I just wanted him to share his pricing before I wasted his time and mine. I can only imagine its whopping expensive if he's so adverse to sharing it publicly. Can you share what he sells and how much?

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I did not insult you and you did not block me from the trial. I asked you how much your system cost, before I signed up for a hotcomm subscription, and you came back with "how much is it worth to you to make a 6 to 7 figure income' and i said I'm not looking for a sales job, and signed out.

Yes, I did ask you that because of the questions that you asked and I was not making a sales pitch, but instead asking you a question back based on your question to me, to which you rudely replied that "I am not looking for a sales pitch and left" Then after your email to me I did ban you from the trial and from our email list.

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thanks for the clear and direct answer to my questions. pls take me off your mailing list. (he answered "with pleasure")


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Pat,


That was me "JAM The Trader" and I am no salesmen. In fact I don't employ any salesmen, if you would have not left so quick and been in the trial you would have seen live trading and very good REAL money on the week, and another great week.


We are a small room and I like it that way, as I can choose who I accept for my clients!!


Let me know if you are serious about trading or just looking for some holy grail system to which at that point we are not for you. If you are serious about trading then you will need to spend a week in the room, if not, then please don't!

From me: did not take your trial. it needed hotcomm paid version. and asked a simple question when logging in about the cost of your services, and got the beginning of a sales pitch. if you can simply answer with a price sheet, and a movie or screenshots of it working, that would be great. i'm sales pitch adverse. i also inquired on your big mike's thread as well.



My answer was pretty straight forward back to you and done with honest intentions, please reread what you posted here.

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Good points. I look into a number of things, bought several, always learn something. I just wanted him to share his pricing before I wasted his time and mine. I can only imagine its whopping expensive if he's so adverse to sharing it publicly. Can you share what he sells and how much?

It is open to the public on my site and yes it is whopping expensive and I make no bones about that

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Thanks again. My spidey sense tingled early and often with this one.

Spidey sense? really?

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Gentlemen, please. Give it up. How is this useful or helpful to anyone. Just sayin............

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.. I just hope he's still around to deal with new customers when his business gets as huge as I am guessing it will.

fear not, with jam's personality it's just not for everybody.

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fear not, with jam's personality it's just not for everybody.

Thanks for the kind words Cory, I think we are alike in this area!

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This guy's stuff is horrible. He's got way too many things going on at once. He sells all kinds of different software, and then has another course teaching you how to trade manually. So he's got like 3 or 4 methods going at once. The whole thing is way too confusing to make money.

The basic rule that all the methods have in common is to trade breakouts. That's it! There's not much more to it then that. Then he keeps telling you to trade them until you make money. So in other words, you can lose 4 or 5 in a row and you will still be trading them. It's a joke.

Unless you have a really large account that can withstand HUGE drawdowns, forget it. And even then, I still don't know that you would be ahead. If you run into a bad streak, you are done. Anything you buy from him is a waste of money in my opinion. Nobody in the room is making money consistently. If he tells you they are, ask to see their account statement for the past 6 months.

Please SAVE your money!

I don't post much on this site, but had to on this one. To say the stuff is horrible is one trader's opinion. Maybe he/she couldn't grasp what was being taught. I am a discretionary trader and always have been. I never shut out what can be learned because trading is a forever learning game. What works today may not work tomorrow. I know this from experience being a floor trader and trading electronically. You either learn to change with the markets or you just fade away and die.
That being said I was in JAM's room a couple of years ago and learned what he was teaching. I never looked at Elliot wave or studied Fibonacci in depth. I learned a few trading techniques he used using range bars that he introduced and I went and did my own research and backrtesting. I adopted a couple of methods he showed and added my own method of what I know from my own experience. Is it perfect? Heck no. Do I have losing trades? You better belive it. Do I have a few losing days in a month? Damn right. And some of those days it's because I was not mentally ready for the day.
He is honest and up front about not everyone will make it in trading and that his room is not for everyone. He stress no blown out accounts and trys to help the room with psychology which in my opinion is 3/4 the battle of trading. To say Nobody in the room is making any money would make you omniscient. If people are willing to share they will tell you. You can openly ask anyone in the room and you will get an honest response. I was getting bombarded with private messages in the beginning because I use to post my charts of my entries and then post my exits. I was getting overwhelmed by the private messages that I couldn't concentrate on my trading and I told JAM I had to leave because of distractions. I still go in the room from time to time and say hi. He has automated his strategy and from talking to those who have been with him for a year or more say they love it and are doing well.
Well I think I have said enough. It is up to the individual trader to take something they learn from whatever room/source/course they learn from and make it their own. No two traders will trade the same chart excatly the same.

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I am going to open a trading room for everyone that is absolutely free. There will be some basic rules

1. No soliciting whatsoever period
2. No flaming other people and rude behavior will not be tolerated
3. Moderators will earn there privileges by being involved and teaching others
4. If you all ready know it all .... don't bother joining

The object of this room will be for everyone to learn from traders that are doing well in real time.
The finals on how it will be structured will be the result of ideas from the room and the room will be designed for day trading only and multiple time frame analysis with an emphasis on price structure.

I I can get 10 or so people interested beginners intermediate and experts all welcome, than I will purchase a 25 person room. If we get more, I can increase the room size.

I want to be very clear that this room is for teaching and learning and there will be no products for sale period. If you are accepted as a member, and you are caught soliciting you will be removed immediately.

I hope to get some traction and would love to have Big Mike and some of the other experienced trades join as moderators.


If you are interested please respond to this post and with minimum of 10 I will set it up.

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Jam, what frame of reference do you intend to push ? trend trading or counter trend trading ? short or longer term trading ? You wrote no soliciting but if you propose your own developed framework and it is something that is sold, is it not considered solicitation ? What motivates you to start such a room ? is it a kind of answer to the naysayers ? Because you believe in Karma or you believe reciprocal altruism is the way to make business ?

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Jam, what frame of reference do you intend to push ? trend trading or counter trend trading ? short or longer term trading ? You wrote no soliciting but if you propose your own developed framework and it is something that is sold, is it not considered solicitation ? What motivates you to start such a room ? is it a kind of answer to the naysayers ? Because you believe in Karma or you believe reciprocal altruism is the way to make business ?

Trend,

I use three trading platforms, NinjaTrader and MultiCharts for auto trading and Motive Wave for my discretionary trading.

As for time frame I trade Range Bars always have always will, even in my auto systems. There will not be any solicitation from myself or anyone else, those are the rules. This is a way for me to give back and teach a little as well as learn from others.

There is no hidden agenda!

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Guys

I don't know where this is going to go yet, But I do know that there are a whole lot of people that are lost and this room will be there so others including myself can lend a hand.

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Never used Motive Wave. Did not even know it existed. What do you like about it that is not already available in Ninja ?

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Never used Motive Wave. Did not even know it existed. What do you like about it that is not already available in Ninja ?

I like the ElliotWave, Gartley and all of the auto patterns.

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I am going to open a trading room for everyone that is absolutely free. There will be some basic rules

1. No soliciting whatsoever period
2. No flaming other people and rude behavior will not be tolerated
3. Moderators will earn there privileges by being involved and teaching others
4. If you all ready know it all .... don't bother joining

The object of this room will be for everyone to learn from traders that are doing well in real time.
The finals on how it will be structured will be the result of ideas from the room and the room will be designed for day trading only and multiple time frame analysis with an emphasis on price structure.

I I can get 10 or so people interested beginners intermediate and experts all welcome, than I will purchase a 25 person room. If we get more, I can increase the room size.

I want to be very clear that this room is for teaching and learning and there will be no products for sale period. If you are accepted as a member, and you are caught soliciting you will be removed immediately.

I hope to get some traction and would love to have Big Mike and some of the other experienced trades join as moderators.


If you are interested please respond to this post and with minimum of 10 I will set it up.

JAM

JAM,

I'm interested. But what chat room software are you planning on using?

Thanks
rptrader

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JAM,

I'm interested. But what chat room software are you planning on using?

Thanks
rptrader

Instant presenter.

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Instant presenter.

JAM

Thanks for the quick reply.

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Thanks for the quick reply.

rptrader

Your welcome.

The room should start Monday, I will ask for registration to join.

I will teach as I can and others that are "moderators" can do the same.

Your email address will go into my database which is secure, and will never be sold or given out for any reason. We do send a weekly "educational" email that you can opt out of by clicking the opt out button.

Just want to be upfront and clear on this.

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Your welcome.

The room should start Monday, I will ask for registration to join.

I will teach as I can and others that are "moderators" can do the same.

Your email address will go into my database which is secure, and will never be sold or given out for any reason. We do send a weekly "educational" email that you can opt out of by clicking the opt out button.

Just want to be upfront and clear on this.

JAM


Hi

Let us know how to registar .................. Thanks

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Your email address will go into my database which is secure, and will never be sold or given out for any reason. We do send a weekly "educational" email that you can opt out of by clicking the opt out button.

Just want to be upfront and clear on this.

JAM

I'm not sure I like where this is heading.

I recognize JAM is trying to operate within the forum rules for vendors, by giving his service away for free. But this is a very fine line. To come here, promote one free product or service, gather user info, email users to try to get them to buy another product or service which is not free.... it is not in the spirit of the "no self promotion" policy that exists on the forum.

Basically, it is still self promotion. It is in JAM's interest to use the forum to get people to sign up, as he stands a chance to sell them a service. This is called "business" and all business is not EVIL simply because money is involved, naturally. The issue is not Jam's intentions being pure or not to help someone. The issue is simply that this is against futures.io (formerly BMT) policy, vendors are not allowed to use posts on the forum to promote their business.

JAM, will you clarify the contents of this educational email, and whether or not you will be accepting any money for any product or service, ever, from any futures.io (formerly BMT) member?

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I'm not sure I like where this is heading.

I recognize JAM is trying to operate within the forum rules for vendors, by giving his service away for free. But this is a very fine line. To come here, promote one free product or service, gather user info, email users to try to get them to buy another product or service which is not free.... it is not in the spirit of the "no self promotion" policy that exists on the forum.

Basically, it is still self promotion. It is in JAM's interest to use the forum to get people to sign up, as he stands a chance to sell them a service. This is called "business" and all business is not EVIL simply because money is involved, naturally. The issue is not Jam's intentions being pure or not to help someone. The issue is simply that this is against futures.io (formerly BMT) policy, vendors are not allowed to use posts on the forum to promote their business.

JAM, will you clarify the contents of this educational email, and whether or not you will be accepting any money for any product or service, ever, from any futures.io (formerly BMT) member?

Mike

Mike, I am offering them a free room to use so they can post charts and discuss trades. Please let me know if this is not acceptable as I have the room ready to go. I will not post the link and will pull the offer if you are not comfortable with the idea.

Mike, you have a great site and I respect what you do, while I do not always agree with some the more tainted views and lack of taking ones own responsibility, I do believe that you are trying to make trading a safer place for your members as am I.


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Will you be accepting any money for any product or service, ever, from any futures.io (formerly BMT) member?

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JAM,

Will you be accepting any money for any product or service, ever, from any futures.io (formerly BMT) member?

Mike

Mike, I have had several sales from your members yes, and it is possible there may be more yes.

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Mike,

I am opening the room, you do not have to post it on here and I will honor that. Regardless the room will be open and available for anyone to come in and learn from. No there will not be any product sales from anyone, this was and is still a room where self directed traders can get together live and trade. I will teach as I can free and hoped that others would do the same.

I will not post the link here, but the room will start tomorrow as stated.

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