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Anyone on Collective2?

One frustration I have with this forum is a universal lack of objective trading statistics. Obviously most members are reluctant to share details of their strategies for understandable reasons, but sharing trading stats and performance summaries doesn't pose any confidentiality/proprietary issues (unless the stats suck, of course!). I also realize that discretionary traders have a harder time compiling stats versus automated traders.

Nevertheless, I am always looking to compare performance via trade stats to see how I stack up versus others...I'm not interested in arguments like 'who cares what anyone else is doing as long as you are making money'. Since most of us can't make use of independent accountants to verify our trading records, I'm wondering whether anyone here has an account at C2 and one or more systems that are being tracked? If so, could you point us to the system (name or C2 id number) so that we can have a look at the results?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

Autobot

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Speaking of C2, you may find this interesting.

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Speaking of C2, you may find this interesting.

Excellent resource, thanks. Everyone here should read this, even though it contains some uncomfortable truths.

Quoting Matt Klein:
Commit publicly to a particular trading system.
Then stand by its results, no matter what happens.

If only more people would subscribe to this philosophy.....

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Excellent resource, thanks. Everyone here should read this, even though it contains some uncomfortable truths.

Quoting Matt Klein:
Commit publicly to a particular trading system.
Then stand by its results, no matter what happens.

If only more people would subscribe to this philosophy.....

publicly does not entail Real results.
Read the disclaimer on the site (no commissions and execution costs factored)

I have read carefully the book attached in this thread , and I wish it was written a bit differently.
This is so unfair to take the the approach of "look at what they do" while having some elitist approach to your own product.

Matthew has built an excellent business model and I do believe he wants people to succeed. But, I hope he will come up with promotional material that is geared towards educating the new customers. For example, the fact that all systems go through huge draw downs, not to over leverage (add positions) during winning streaks, being capitalized, length of draw-downs, etc. This in combination of how to evaluate trading reports from TS, and their drawbacks could have been a lot more constructive preparing his prospect towards the reality of systems. His own promotional material might just scare someone out of trading all together.

Finally, I do believe that amongst the "sea" of trading systems on C2, there are good systems, so I don't want to discourage anyone from going forward on anything that they did their homework on.

PM with any questions about optimusfutures (800) 771-6748 (561) 367 8686. THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF LOSS IN FUTURES TRADING.
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