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just to be on the lower end I took that 1,500 less (vendor's default settings) in consideration. I included commission as well. and by trading 2 contracts, 300 is about 20 %.

this was just a rough calculation. didn't use a calculator.

of course if this system is really consistent and you can trade 5 or 10 contracts, 300 a month is really cheap.

I agree until the word gets out and the edge evaporates because too many contracts are chasing it.

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but........................................... as i have never seen a strat work good over a period of time and i know several programmers that have spent years working on strats including our on mike then i would have to agree with him on this one...sharky

how long is over a period of time? if it's lets say 5 month. by your examples using 20 cars = 90,000.

of course that's just me not using a calculator again.

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but........................................... as i have never seen a strat work good over a period of time and i know several programmers that have spent years working on strats including our on mike then i would have to agree with him on this one...sharky

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I agree until the word gets out and the edge evaporates because too many contracts are chasing it.

yes... just another reason not to name the vendor.

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Personally I would pay $0 for it.

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Thank you for your response. I'll consider it an outlier and not part of the study.

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That's an idea for sure. Fortunately, this trades ES so you could plow a lot without diluting the edge.

So, Mike, what would this be worth to you if you felt the results could continue in a similar fashion?

I feel that the results will not continue. My opinion is traders should not pursue automation as a means to be successful in trading. Too many are lured in by false hopes and cherry picked charts. Too many believe just because a strategy made $900 a month in the past means it will in the future. Few understand backtesting and curve fitting. Fewer still understand proper forward testing. In the end, most people I've met that pursue automation do so because they are either lazy or foolish ("I just want a strategy that can earn $1,000 a month with low risk"), or are trying to find a short cut for their own pitfalls in their own discretionary trading (ie: failure to take responsibility for their actions, wanting to place blame elsewhere).

No need for me to say more.

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Thank you for your response. I'll consider it an outlier and not part of the study.

LOL, OK. Interesting testing methodology to not consider results you don't like, I'm not sure why else you would throw my result out

Last, I believe you failed to mention some important considerations on determining a price. How long as this vendor been in business? How many prior strategies has he produced that have a proven track record? What is his reputation like? These should weigh heavily in anyones decision in determining a fair value if they decide they are willing to pay more than $0 for it.

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yes... just another reason not to name the vendor.

I have no allegiance to the vendor. If I get a decent response from this large community-- a good random sample--I'll disclose the information.

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LOL, OK. Interesting testing methodology to not consider results you don't like, I'm not sure why else you would throw my result out

Mike

I believe your response is based on a bias you have from past experiences with your own failed ATS. If you can put that behind you or explain why this is worth $0, then I'll revist.

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LOL, OK. Interesting testing methodology to not consider results you don't like, I'm not sure why else you would throw my result out

Last, I believe you failed to mention some important considerations on determining a price. How long as this vendor been in business? How many prior strategies has he produced that have a proven track record? What is his reputation like? These should weigh heavily in anyones decision in determining a fair value if they decide they are willing to pay more than $0 for it.

Mike

The posted results speak for themselves. The decision must be made from this, nothing more. Again, thank you for the response.

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