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I looked at OFA, a couple of times, a few years back. DB is an arrogant jerk, their software has a huge upfront fee 3-5k if I recall, and George? couldn't even make money with the demo LOL. It was just bad all around.

Now dandxg, don't be so shy. Tell us how you really feel!

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Now dandxg, don't be so shy. Tell us how you really feel!

Too funny, I was just thinking that was out of character for me, normally even vendors I don't like I do not lash that hard, but DB is a real jerk off, he is the most obnoxious person I have ever listened to in a trading room. If he was a jerk with a great product I would say much, but this is a trifecta of disappointment.

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I have been called much worse, usually by people whom I have banned for rude behavior on the site. Then they run to other forums and feign innocence, making up stuff neglecting to mention they were banned for their behavior here.

The point is: you can't please everyone. In my case when it comes to banning people, I know the whole truth as does the banned person. Everyone else is making assumptions. In the case of a software vendor with an upset customer, again it's just two real people that know the whole story. And in the end, that story could simply be they didn't like each other very much

DB mentioned the OFA license is transferable so I'm guessing you could contact them to arrange a transfer to another party once you line one up, and that way you can pursue other things.

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Hi,

I totaly agree with you, dandxg. I don't know wich really intentions have DB for become here, but i know that he thinks that the programmers that helps here a lot of people, they are "HACKERS". Is what he writes in a e-mail, textually words. A person that i know and who receives these e-mail, he boughts the software and pay for it 5000$ and DB cut her license. He likes to play with the money's people. Be carefull, if you buy this software and you do somenthing that DB don't like, you will lose your license. The reason for do this, was that person now is teaching orderflow. He is not using ofa platform or any material from ofa company, but he says that this is not posible. Is not posible to teach orderflow? When this person say me that, i can not believed but it's a real story.

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Hi,

I totaly agree with you, dandxg. I don't know wich really intentions have DB for become here, but i know that he thinks that the programmers that helps here a lot of people, they are "HACKERS". Is what he writes in a e-mail, textually words. A person that i know and who receives these e-mail, he boughts the software and pay for it 5000$ and DB cut her license. He likes to play with the money's people. Be carefull, if you buy this software and you do somenthing that DB don't like, you will lose your license. The reason for do this, was that person now is teaching orderflow. He is not using ofa platform or any material from ofa company, but he says that this is not posible. Is not posible to teach orderflow? When this person say me that, i can not believed but it's a real story.

The license in question was terminated because the user placed our trademarked logo on their website in order to make people think they were a Spanish partner of OFA - so trying to gain legitimacy by acting like you are partnering with me - a "jerk off". So sad... I have only terminated 1 license in 5 years. So I know exactly who this is. No other user has ever had a license terminated to my knowledge - but then again nobody else was ever quite so stupid. We tried to discuss it with him before terminating the license but all we received were threats of lawsuits so we stopped talking and moved on. You can see in the previous posts here that DayTraderProfessional tried to sell or exchange his license a long time ago... If it was so bad (and I was such a jerk) why did he put our logo on his website and act like we were partners? Hmmm...

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license cut

Hi,

Don't confuse the people. For me this is and action that i can not understand. You are not honest. I know this guy and you cut his license because you want. He let me put here what was your first e-mail to him:

texto nombre: DB Vaello
texto mail: questions@orderflowanalytics.com
texto observaciones: Remove the OFA logo from your website immediately Joshua. You are not a licensed partner of OFA and we will initiate a lawsuit if it is not off your website by tomorrow.

DB


[In the same day, he sendi you he send you this e-mail:

Hi, DB Vaello



I'm Joshua. Your logo is removed from my web page. I'm sorry if i made somenthing wrong. It was not intentionally. The reason for put your logo is to help others to find you and your company. Your logo was a link that goes to your web page. But again, i'm sorry. I have been using your software for many years now and i know is a good tool for someone who wants to use the orderflow tecnique in her trading. I don't want to cause you any inconvenience or handicap to your work and to your company. If you think that i can do somenthing more, tell me.


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Don't try to confuse people here. If i put here this information is because the people need to know what is buying and from who.

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Dirty Rotten Contract Law

You have part of the story but not all...

The logo was not removed when he said it was and we temporarily did terminate the license. This would have ended with him getting the license back once it was removed except that he sent an email telling me that he was going to sue me! Actually that he was going to sue me "tomorrow". Trademark infringement, clear misrepresentation of a partnership for financial gain and threats of frivolous lawsuits. No need to reply further. In fact all you vendor-haters should be proud that this guy was punished for trying to lure customers through a total bait-and-switch.

Again, no other license has ever been terminated. Any legitimate business has a standard boilerplate legal terms and conditions agreement. No one ever wants to be in a situation where they have to enforce it. Your friend should have more sense than to use logos without asking for approval and to consider his misstep before threatening a lawsuit.

Tell you what... If Mike will approve to let this happen here or in another thread... To make up for the evil empire's wrong doing - If anyone here is in agreement with my decision to terminate the license in question based on the blatant misrepresentation of claiming to be the Spanish "partner" of a US company... to the extent that he would take a trademarked logo from a copyright protected website... Present it as providing his TRADING VENDOR sham company with legitimacy in an effort to make money off unsuspecting traders... If you actually agree that I did the right thing then post here. If you think I'm totaly wrong, post here. I'll give away a license for $1 to the best post and let Big Mike be the judge as to who gets it - regardless if you are for or against my action. Best post by April 1 gets our new unreleased OFA version for $1.

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1. Keep it general. Company X and Customer Y (or in this case company Y). This should not be marketing for or a slam against the parties involved.
2. No personal email cut and paste (that obviously have the capacity to be doctored for you position)
3. You have to be an Elite member here - no hiding under your mom's skirt with 50 free accounts
4. Big Mike has full discretion to choose the winner. I'll stay out of it.
5. Stick to the point. Right or wrong. Should a company have the right to enforce an agreement. Should a customer have the right to disregard an agreement for his own personal gain? Which is worse?
6. To claim the $1 version you'll have to agree to the same terms and conditions as the guy whining (hahahahaha).
7. Title your reply "Dirty Rotten Contract Law"

Probably should have checked with Mike first but hopefully this is an acceptable post.

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Dirty Rotten Contract Law

You can paint a replica of Starry Night. You can't sign it as Vincent Van Gogh and sell it as the original.

You can build a car that mimics the SL Roadster. You can't place a Mercedes hood ornament on it and sell it as a Mercedes.

You can build a website that functions like futures.io (formerly BMT). You can't call it Big Mike's Trading Forum.

If as represented, I think you're entirely in the right to cancel the license.

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DB Vaello

Hi DB,

I think this is a serious matter and not for playing with that. The license you cut cost 5000 dollars. I think that you need to be more serious with that. If someone need to do some judgement it's necessary to have all the information.

The web page where your logo was is this one:

DayTraderProfesional

Is true that he has your logo in the web. But not was the only. He has the logo from DTN iqfeed, ninjatrader, amp futures, zen fire. He say me that he puts all the tools that he is using for trading and was a direct link to your web page and the others. It's possible that he makes a mistake but it not was intentionally for hurt someone or take profit. The most important part is that he was not selling nothing in this site. You cut his license because you want maybe because you think he was a competitor. Is what i think. He doesn't want to play at this game and he is walking for another way to resolve this, but he say that you never call to him or George for speak nothing about that. The only conversation way, if it's possible to call it a conversation was via e-mail. He let me to put all the messages that he send to you and now the people can do his right judgement and play at your game. He can send me the messages that you send to him. if the people need to make any assumptions i think that need to have all the information. If you give your permision i can put here the messages. If the people believes that your action was desmesured and wrong, do you will return back the license to my friend?


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Yes, let's get the full story...

Note the date and recipient of the email I'm posting. I thought you were a "friend" of the guy that had the software. Oh wait, it's you! Silly me for thinking you were a concerned friend.

For those of you paying attention this email is to "TECNITEK" on 11/08/2010 when I was assisting him with the configuration of his software through remote access. Re: Joshua - aka DayTraderProfessional also known as our concerned friend Tecnitek who has been trying to convince you that if you buy OFA it will be taken away from you at my whim - because that is really good business practice. Geez.

Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:57:23 -0600
From: "D.B. Vaello"
Organization: OrderFlowAnalytics.com
To: TECNITEK <tecnitek04@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Joshua

https://www.fastsupport.com/790582997

Please have OFA up and visible
Follow the instructions to allow me to join

DB

So....

Sorry to have wasted the time of the forum participants with this. Just so you know there are several educators that use OFA and we've never taken anything away from them... Some are partners and affiliates, and some have nothing to do with us at all. They each took the time to discuss the situation with us first and of course they did not violate trademark and copyright and contract laws to try to misrepresent themselves for personal gain. Had he just complied and taken down the link/logo there never would have been a problem. We'd have resolved it the right way... Instead he kept the page up and acted like an innocent victim of circumstances and now presents himself as a concerned friend. The funny thing is that one of his students was the whistleblower. We were told by someone that paid him for education what he was doing and how he was representing himself. Hahahaha. What a joke.

Joshua/Josue/DayTraderProfessional/Tecnitek or whatever you call yourself these days - this will be my last post on the matter. Originally I thought you understood the depth of liability you are facing... I can see that you have no idea how bad this is for you - and you are only exasperating the situation by continuing to make victim-like claims under an alias. If you like, I'll send you a final email describing the potential consequences of your trademark and copyright infringement actions - as this is the ONLY reason your license was terminated. I completely despise lawyers and think this is a ridiculous situation for you, but I'd suggest you consult with one before you post here again. We have legitimate licensed partners in Spain who don't think you're too funny.

I know you're young and think you're bulletproof. We all were once. So before you reply with more of the same, take some time to think about what you did and try to make it right instead of worse. If you apologize in your next post and admit that you screwed up - I'll give you your license back. If you go down the other road I'll send the email mentioned above and you can deal with the consequences.

It's your choice. Act like a man with honor or act like an idiot. You can have your license back tonight.

DB

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