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man, anyone else trading macks way and just getting chopped to pieces lately? so many 1 tick fakeouts, which is where he says to keep your stops. Fortunately i'm just demo testing, but it really seems like its way less profitable than he makes it out to be.
i also don't like that he always makes money in hindsight, but never trades live. i don't think hes a scam or anything, i just don't think his setups are as profitable as he makes them out to be.
Regarding the performance of his followers he shows in his videos from time to time... yes.
Maybe you have to adjust that system a little to make it fit to you, to make it your own system. Volatile Markets? Give your stop maybe some more room. Try out little adjustments and then test it. I'm sure you can make money trading his system without copying it 100%.
I recently testet his system on a 1597(!!) Tick Chart. Even here I had a lot of winners and was profitable.
Hi, I have also been recently experimenting with PATS and know what you're talking about. Sometimes it works really well, but there are other times where it grabs you and then heads in the opposite direction.
I'm going to be spending a lot of time getting more into the details and see how I can avoid that situation.
Hey, I don't live too far from Mainz, do you mostly trade PATS, or know of a group who trades online? PM me if you want, would be good to connect with local traders sometime,
I felt exactly this way early on, so I completely understand where the OP is coming from. But I feel differently now that I've been closely following Mack's videos and daily charts for the last 6 months or so.
Everyone's different, but it's taken this long for everything Mack talks about to come together for me: Signal bars, setups & stop locations, and context. Context being the most important - I found that blindly taking second-entries without regards to context often led to the 1-tick fakeout thing. It's also taken this long for me to draw decent trendlines & channels. Early on mine were all over the place (or non-existent), and often were the reason I considered trades in poor locations.
Somewhere along the way the concepts Mack talks about have sunk in. I now have a better understanding of how to avoid being the one getting trapped, and how to instead take advantage of trapped traders - it's all context. I've found it's really more about where NOT to place trades, and I'm rarely on the wrong side anymore.
Basically I'm saying I felt the same way, but I stuck with it and now have a different perspective.
I also believe it's impossible to perfectly mirror Mack's (or any other) method anyway, you just have to absorb the information & develop your own ability to interpret what the market is telling you. Even if you tried, often tick charts don't match from person to person. No two PEOPLE are identical either. The value is in learning how to read the chart for yourself & developing a methodology that's compatible with your own personality/beliefs/expectations/etc. Trying to exactly copy someone else is pointless and probably doomed to fail.
And regarding Mack not trading "live", I don't consider this a negative. Not picking on the OP at all, as this seems to be a pretty common complaint. It just always strikes me as an odd thing to focus on, since IMO no two discretionary traders will trade exactly the same anyway. You could have two people sitting right next to each other trading the exact same strategy and they'll interpret things differently. In fact, I'd bet that Mack (or any other successful trader) could live screen-share their trading session and nobody watching would trade exactly like they do.
So I don't consider what Mack teaches, or price action in general, a "system" to be precisely followed. I consider it a method of market analysis that suits me, and believe it works - no "proof" required. Intuitively, trading against trapped traders just makes sense to me. It's simply up to me to continue to improve my skills.
As @mercrastius said Price Action is a school or theory of trading and PATS is a practitioner with their own way of doing it. Mack says on his site that he is teaching a simplified version and references Al Brooks for those that want to take a deep dive.
A point you may have missed as he doesn't make it that often is that he recommends changing your stops in high volatility markets acknowledging what you have observed. Stop loss and profit stops.
