AHG Anek Holy Grail - Trading Reviews and Vendors | futures io social day trading
futures io futures trading


AHG Anek Holy Grail
Updated: Views / Replies:4,658 / 8
Created: by nqcruiser Attachments:0

Welcome to futures io.

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

futures io is the largest futures trading community on the planet, with over 90,000 members. At futures io, our goal has always been and always will be to create a friendly, positive, forward-thinking community where members can openly share and discuss everything the world of trading has to offer. The community is one of the friendliest you will find on any subject, with members going out of their way to help others. Some of the primary differences between futures io and other trading sites revolve around the standards of our community. Those standards include a code of conduct for our members, as well as extremely high standards that govern which partners we do business with, and which products or services we recommend to our members.

At futures io, our focus is on quality education. No hype, gimmicks, or secret sauce. The truth is: trading is hard. To succeed, you need to surround yourself with the right support system, educational content, and trading mentors – all of which you can find on futures io, utilizing our social trading environment.

With futures io, you can find honest trading reviews on brokers, trading rooms, indicator packages, trading strategies, and much more. Our trading review process is highly moderated to ensure that only genuine users are allowed, so you don’t need to worry about fake reviews.

We are fundamentally different than most other trading sites:
  • We are here to help. Just let us know what you need.
  • We work extremely hard to keep things positive in our community.
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts.
  • We firmly believe in and encourage sharing. The holy grail is within you, we can help you find it.
  • We expect our members to participate and become a part of the community. Help yourself by helping others.

You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 

AHG Anek Holy Grail

  #1 (permalink)
Elite Member
Cape Town, South Africa
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: ninjatrader, ensignsoftware
Broker/Data: ampfutures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: 6E, Cl, TF
 
Posts: 117 since May 2010
Thanks: 15 given, 50 received

AHG Anek Holy Grail

i am always reminded by my friends from the USA that the only stupid question is the question that remains unasked. I am always humbled by the many friends who share, selflessly, their insights whenever i have seek inputs here. in this regard, i want to ask if any1 has any information on the current status/whereabouts/doings of anek, who used to run AHG thread on elitetrader. Anek is/was a price action trader who run one of the biggest threads there, then opened a live tradingroom and then once he repaid his dues by sharing enoug, close down the room. he then went into a close room with some disciples and then seemingly got rid of the lazy ones and kept the hard working cream of the crop. if some1 has been with him in the latter stages, a few questions:

- Whats the principal improvements on the method from the AHG1.0 days? Do stuff like 3br still feature in the method?

- Has any1 ex member establish a commercial tradingroom where he teaches or calls his trades using the same method as the boss?

- What discernable core features remain the guiding strategies of the method? i know anek took hh,hl for longs and lh,ll for shorts but my interest is whether there r any latter day nuances to help decipher price action better

- What happened to the classic patterns such as Porn 69?

- How much value is there in the old daily tradinglogs maintained by Brutus? I collected the logs and then also replayed the days using the tick files from ensign, but my research has yet to borne fruit? I guess if i replay the entire day a few times and then combed thru comments then i may pickup some nuances. of course these would be time consuming

Thanx for any input.

Reply With Quote
 
  #2 (permalink)
Quick Summary
Quick Summary Post

Quick Summary is created and edited by users like you... Add FAQ's, Links and other Relevant Information by clicking the edit button in the lower right hand corner of this message.

 
  #3 (permalink)
Market Wizard
virginia
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Favorite Futures: ES
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,185 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 626 given, 6,253 received


obviously either he retires (based one his trade record and if it was true) or he just get tired of the game/himself/people and doesnt want to be bother.

"This channel is private, NO NEW MEMBERS ACCEPTED, please stop asking for access. Anek"

ps. it's just some well known principles, I imagine I will get tired too if I have to repeat them day after day
here they are;

ONCE A TREND HAS BEEN DETERMINED HOW TO PLAY IT (entry)

by Anek

If a MEANINGFUL TREND (uptrend or downtrend) has been found we need a logical entry.

UPTREND

BUY on a pullback and be nimble with your target.
Take advantage of minor WEAKNESS in a STRONG TREND to get a good fill.
Target can be whatever you feel comfortable with, it is entirely up to you and only in time will you master this. A few examples as follows:
50% Fib retracement from the recent High to Low swing
few ticks below previous resistance
measured move up
You could trail the stop to ride those breakouts, all very discretionary.
(Stop? Whatever would make it a lower low aka a CHANGE of trend)
Uptrend channel: Two higher lows, two higher highs

DOWNTREND (the evil twin)

SELL (Short) on a pop up and again be nimble with our target.
Take advantage of minor STRENTH in a WEAK TREND to get a good fill.
Target can be whatever you feel comfortable with, it is entirely up to you and only in time will you master this. A few examples as follows:
50% Fib retracement from the recent Low to High swing
few ticks below above previous support
measured move down
You could trail the stop to ride those breakdowns, all very discretionary.
(Stop? Whatever would make it a higher high aka a CHANGE of trend.)
Downtrend channel: Two lower highs and two lower lows

When looking for entry, say a long or even re-entry, you want strength to return in the pullback and when that happens make sure price did not violate the current highs and lows.

Never go against the trend. When the trend is strong buy a pullback. When the trend is weak short a pop up. The market can not be predicted consistently and consistency is what we want, so be smart about this. No exceptions!!!

If STOPPED OUT, meaning, a CHANGE of a trend, stay ON THE SIDELINES until a NEW MEANINGFUL TREND is defined and we take our stop like responsible traders.

REVERSALS are the enemy, they stop us out. Luckily, they are not very common which is exactly why this strategy works. Some days will be filled with them and sadly I don't know how to overcome this. On days like this, you will lose money.

A lower low without a lower high is not the same as a lower low with a lower high.... and a higher low without a higher high is not an uptrend.

CHANGE OF TREND

Trend must go from a downtrend to an uptrend or vice versa. (2 HH's 2 HL's or 2 LL's 2LH's)
The exception is if one of the two swings is a double bottom or a double top but the next swing must be a HH/HL or LL/LH.
If nothing of that kind, then you stay out and let a clear trend develop.
Trend line breaks are usually more aggressive when the last high was not a higher high, especially if it was a LOWER high.
The steeper a trend line the higher chances of a TL break, they simply have much higher chances of losing control of the trend

Never call a top, never call a bottom, it is IMPOSSIBLE to predict accurately on a consistent basis therefore the best approach is to examine what is happening NOW, attempt to profit from possible volatility and situate yourself in a strategic place, with patience and conviction.

A bottom is never confirmed until you see higher lows *and* higher highs, with a subsequent low that is also a higher low hinting towards yet another new, higher high.

The statement exists for a reason. “the trend is your friend”
Many of you seem to be playing G.I. Joe with your own capital thinking that you have predictive abilities that will make a trend change on a consistently basis before it actually does. Here is a tip, YOU DO NOT!
Here is a simple AHG rule that is simple but it does not seem to be very clear.
Unless a confirmed reversal formation has completed you do not trade against the trend, ever. Not even as a fun scalp because the odds will be against you, you want odds in your favor.
I never ever do it unless I see multiple confirmations supporting the stunt and that's taking into consideration that I'm fairly adept at reading the tape
*You should make it a post it note and stick it in your monitor*

Trendlines

As many as you need to determine the current trend. (Hand placed preferred)
45 º trend lines are extremely useful. If you don't have complete pivots to guide you, you can anticipate the second one by using a 45 º trend line.
You will be amazed at the number of times price rebounds on them *if* there is a trend.
When an engulfing signal forms around there an opportunity for low risk potential rewards usually presents itself.
Once the second pivot forms, you no longer need estimate readjust it.

Pivots

Are both subjective and objective, that's where skill and experience comes into place.
The pivots plotted by the software are quick areas of reference but not necessarily written in stone as they have fixed parameters that might work for some scenarios and not for others.

Frequency

Use frequency displacement or wave length to gauge one pivot from the other.
Confluence in distance helps.

Channels

If price is trading in a channel, for the sake of argument, let’s say a downtrend channel; expect it to bounce up and down with a bearish tendency. Now, to ensure your stops are small, even in a downtrend you want to short high, and in an uptrend you want to buy low, this is where the trend lines of the channel help. This is not the same with formations, a solid confirmed reversal formation is quite alright for entering at the lows but this is not the case of channels. Hence why I suggest the trend line channels usage as guidance. The formations price will form at the extremes do tell good info, so make sure you pay attention. In yesterday's case the downtrend channel formed a bear flag as it broke the channel to the downside, I was almost certain price was ready to fall, but it failed miserably. Naturally I took my small stop and realized that price was not ready to go to lower lows because if a confirmed bear flag failed, which is one of the most reliable formations for downside, the failure should be applied accordingly. The subsequent move was higher lows from the bear flag pattern until it finally broke out of the channel. However, that was predictable. As explained in the past, failures are sometimes as powerful as or even more powerful than patterns themselves.Notice that during rectangle consolidation, where price is bouncing off support and resistance there is no predominant side to choose between the two, in this case, look at the whole day and choose the side that has been winning all day long, if no clear definition, simply stay out and wait for better setups or wait for a confirmed breakout that aligns with the predominant intraday trend.

Fibonacci Retracement Lines (Anek's favorite)

50% from last swing low/high provides an excellent entry point. Problem is sometimes the trend is so strong it won't even give you your wish and you miss the fill.
Used to predict targets not trends, for the trend you have price.

pss. a chart
Please register on futures.io to view futures trading content such as post attachment(s), image(s), and screenshot(s).


Last edited by cory; September 20th, 2010 at 07:57 AM. Reason: more info
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users say Thank You to cory for this post:
 
  #4 (permalink)
Elite Member
Cape Town, South Africa
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: ninjatrader, ensignsoftware
Broker/Data: ampfutures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: 6E, Cl, TF
 
Posts: 117 since May 2010
Thanks: 15 given, 50 received

thanx for posting that link;

those who want to explore priceaction mr anek's style, can read it up here:

Forums - AHG - Profitable Strategy for Struggling Traders

i somehow appreciates what anek did. he repaid loyalty and commitment by closing the room to those hardworking members, and then slowly got rid of the deadwood, those not adding much.

Reply With Quote
The following user says Thank You to nqcruiser for this post:
 
  #5 (permalink)
Trading Apprentice
Italy
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Multicharts Amibroker Wealthlab
Broker/Data: IB - IQ.feed
 
Posts: 3 since Jul 2010
Thanks: 1 given, 1 received

After 3 years 80% of the room members are still not consistently profitable. This is not a critic it just shows how difficult is to teach and learn trading even when you have a very good mentor and a lot of time.

This will be my first and last comment on AHG, please don't ask and don't send PMs , I won't answer because I gave my word

Reply With Quote
 
  #6 (permalink)
Market Wizard
virginia
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Favorite Futures: ES
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,185 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 626 given, 6,253 received

in case you can't see the chart in my post above
Please register on futures.io to view futures trading content such as post attachment(s), image(s), and screenshot(s).

Reply With Quote
 
  #7 (permalink)
Market Wizard
virginia
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Favorite Futures: ES
 
cory's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,185 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 626 given, 6,253 received


mark1 View Post
After 3 years 80% of the room members are still not consistently profitable. This is not a critic it just shows how difficult is to teach and learn trading even when you have a very good mentor and a lot of time.

This will be my first and last comment on AHG, please don't ask and don't send PMs , I won't answer because I gave my word

80% beats out the norm 95% I think the experiment is a success.

Reply With Quote
 
  #8 (permalink)
Elite Member
Cape Town, South Africa
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: ninjatrader, ensignsoftware
Broker/Data: ampfutures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: 6E, Cl, TF
 
Posts: 117 since May 2010
Thanks: 15 given, 50 received


cory View Post
80% beats out the norm 95% I think the experiment is a success.

i think anek has traded enough high probability trades, and even if his method is a looser, he has big pockets these days to use large stops funny why much has not surfaced in the open domain concerning this legend of AHG. I guess its maybe time for all AHG lovers to move.

does it mean 80% of the original crew surfaced. i heard there was lot of firing for laziness and members not doing required excercises etc.

Reply With Quote
 
  #9 (permalink)
Hard working trader
Miami, Florida
 
Futures Experience: Master
Platform: Ninja Trader 7
Broker/Data: IQ Feed
Favorite Futures: Nasdaq Futures (NQ)
 
Posts: 7 since May 2010
Thanks: 0 given, 1 received

It's a very private room, people kept getting fired for laziness, I recently asked in IRC and over 70 percent now are consistently profitable. The members have a high degree of respect for Anek, past and present, so the private info does not come out, at least I have not been able to fish any via PMs in IRC.

Reply With Quote

Reply



futures io > > > AHG Anek Holy Grail

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Upcoming Webinars and Events (4:30PM ET unless noted)

FuturesTrader71: TBA

Elite only

Al Brooks: TBA

Elite only

Jigsaw Trading: TBA

Oct 19

RandBots: TBA

Oct 24
     

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sim Trading and the Holy Grail tigertrader Traders Hideout 8 January 14th, 2015 07:32 AM
Holy Grail TheWizard Traders Hideout 585 January 3rd, 2015 10:38 AM
The Holy Grail Is For Real marker Psychology and Money Management 11 January 11th, 2013 03:34 PM
Can this be made to an Indicator(HOLY GRAIL) bugsbunny NinjaTrader Programming 2 February 18th, 2011 09:09 AM
Holy Grail Compilation Error HartRend NinjaTrader Programming 3 February 15th, 2011 02:35 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:47 PM.

Copyright © 2017 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts
Page generated 2017-09-24 in 0.16 seconds with 19 queries on phoenix via your IP 54.224.230.51