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Don't forget everyone, this guys webinar is tommorrow after the market close.

Lets make him work for it and give us as many clues as possible into figuring out how we can code our own "Cluster Dots" for free on (formerly BMT).

That is very rude of you. If a vendor is selling something you want then buy it.

Making him 'work for it' with the intention of reverse engineering it simply to avoid paying for it is wrong, and you will not be welcome to do it here.

I am no fan of vendors selling indicators, but your intentions are very bad.

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I was not able to attend in real time.

Very busy week for me and I already have a trading edge intraday and in swingtrading.

Though his symmetry stuff does look interesting; isn't a tool just a tool (or indicator set)?

I believe trade management and psychology along with a repeatable and sustainable edge are more important than any indicator(s) can ever be.

Here is the rebroadcast.

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Yea it was a very interesting sales pitch, yet it was also very typical of most vendors.....meaning that they cherry pick the charts for the presentation.

The entire webinar was for something called "Cluster Dots" that claim to call the exact high and exact the tick!!!

Does it work in real time?

Well I'm not sure, but he did offer a 3 day trial, with a special presentation to configure the settings and stuff.

I signed up again, and I'll be looking to trade it this time, not just observe.

I will try to record it this time.

Around 5% move the market. 10% try to follow the 5%. The rest provide liquidity.
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Well I took another 3 day trial of their JayCluster dots, this week I was able to focus more because I had a pretty good trading month and felt like taking a break.

It was interesting because usually you have to send them a request to participate......this week THEY sent out emails to all their previous trials (I know because I used more than one email address to join....and all my addresses received the same email).

Anyway, it wasn't too bad, they are trying pretty hard to call tops and bottoms, and that completely goes against my style of trading.

Also, last year the cost was $3000.
2 months ago it dropped to $1500.

Now they are offering it in 2 installments of $750 each.

Must not be selling very well?

Heres a screenshot that they sent in their last email.

Would be interested in knowing if anyone else also took the 3 day trial, and what your thoughts are.

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Not for nothing but Jay should be doing (or one of his minions) CLEARLY stated 'textandmarket' trades in Ninja. Don't cost him a thing to a f*cking measly 1 lot or do it in sim.

That way we can see how those 'angles' that meet dovetail with their method.

Other than that; he is a full of crap vendor who wants his hands in your pocket.



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"" is an older site. Scroll down to the bottom and it says "copyright 2009"

His newer site is"" (2010)

I saw the Ninjatrader partner webinar 11-17-11 of symmetry indicators. The method shown looks very different than what is shown recently:

recent Ninjatrader partner webinar:
Symmetry Indicators - NinjaTrader Partner Presentations - 5/17/2012 - YouTube

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Jay is a one big BS artist. I had his stuff with my partner for 1 year. Indicators are of no use if you do not know how to trade.
Get to know how to read price and you do not need any indicators.


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i am going to have to say that jay has helped out my trading alot, as far as i have dealt with him he is very honest and upfront about everything. at one point he said he was not going to sell me his product because i was going thur a bankruptcy and he figured i was very short on money. i had to pretty much prove to him that was all taken care of and i was back on my feet.. that shows me he is an honest guy.

as far as his current products i have from him, they are top notch. buy and sell dots are calling highs and lows and swings in real time not after the fact. his market profile in his room is also very good.

i dont see why people on here have so many bad things to say about him.

the worst ones are the ones that have never even dealt with him themselves.

and no i am not jay, i wish i had his knowledge of the markets however.

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I want to thank all the posts here at Bigmikes for keeping it real. I was considering joining his room but after reading these posts, I will not participate with so called trading gurus making money off Hopium. When you start your trading endeavor please be aware of so called Market Gurus who want to take your money with hopes to make you rich. There is no such thing.
You have to work hard, study and log 1000 hours of chart time. That is the holy grail if there was ever one. Bigmikes is an excellent place to start.

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Hello cjsiding

Do uyou have this indicator swing where you can change and put negative numbers?? "swinghi-25 and swinglow+25" or could you address me where to get it for NT.



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Well first off i did spend a month in his room last year. With the hardware malfunction and his perfect 20/20 vision of the markets after the fact, I left. After studying his charts and such I came up with the following.

His Institutional numbers are just pivot points. The same as you can get on MyPivots for free. If I remember correctly they are PP-S1-R2.

The main chart is a 2000volume chart with 34ema

His symetry dots indicator is nothing more than swinghi-25 and swinglow+25 for currencies and swinghi-6.25 and swinglow+6.25 for ES.

Hope this helps someone else not to give him a dime.

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