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SharkIndicators - Jeremy Tang & Keith Wolf - Ask Me Anything (AMA)

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July 22nd 2021 @ 4:30 PM ET US




Advanced Backtesting Workshop
Presented by: w/Zac White @ SharkIndicators

Have you noticed there is very little information out there on how to PROPERLY backtest trade systems? Backtesting is a bit of a black art! Join Zac White of SharkIndicators and learn how to avoid the pitfalls and understand the when and where to use backtesting as well as understand its limitations.

- Learn the secrets of backtesting that the industry doesn't want you to know.
- Discussion about the limitations of the trading platform’s backtesting engine
- Tips and tricks to improve your backtest results

#backtesting, #sharkindicators, #ninjatrader, #tradesystemanalysis


Sponsored by: SharkIndicators

SharkIndicators produces revolutionary software products for the retail trader. Our flagship products BloodHound and BlackBird allow retail traders the ability to create their own algorithmic trading robots without the need to code.

Trade futures, commodities, forex, stocks and bonds faster, more efficiently and without emotion. Our most recent software, BlackBird, is changing up the trading game. With risk, trade, and money management capabilities, this ITM (Intelligent Trade Manager) really is the first of its kind.



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About Zac White:


Zac White is a co-founder and Product Specialist with SharkIndicators.com. He brings almost 20 years of trading experience and a wide technical background consisting of civil engineering, software programming, and IT logistics to the table. Zac has assisted countless numbers of traders to model their trading systems, helping them to backtest and auto-trade their systems.

Zac is the foremost authority on using BloodHound & Blackbird and runs weekly training workshops sharing his expertise and experience, providing traders the advantage of harnessing state of the art software for robotic assisted or fully automated trading.


Zac White is the Product Specialist with SharkIndicators bringing 20 years of trading experience and a wide technical background.


SharkIndicators' BloodHound and BlackBird allow retail traders to create their own algorithmic trading robots without coding.







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I do appreciate this webinar a lot, but I am hesitant to consider this "advanced". The webinar described the basics you need to understand before getting started testing algorithmic systems.

So what I'm saying is, yes please do videos like this. But, instead of giving this "high level overview", I think it would be beneficial to your own sales if you also included "low level" nitty gritty plumbing. It doesn't have to be a live webinar. Make a series of youtube videos and link them in a playlist on your channel. That's what's going to make people understand your tools. That's effective marketing.

Answering one off questions and spending ten minutes discussing things like, "renko bars don't backtest correctly because the bars effectively hide data or give incorrect open values" is all very much necessary. But it's not enough, standing alone, because it doesn't really show anyone anything.

Don't be afraid to get low-level nitty gritty, and detailed. Even if it spans five one-hour-long videos; youtube playlists are great for this.

If you want to build a community around your product, this is what you have to do. And then, once the community is built, listen to the community's feedback, of course.

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I have to agree with this post. I also appreciate the workshop, but there were no real "advanced" secrets revealed except for maybe the tip from a viewer about setting the order resolution to "high" and using 5 or 10 second or even 1 tick if you have the time.

I have to admit that I was disappointed that there is no way to backtest an ATM.

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@fivewhy - Thanks for the feedback, always greatly appreciated. I'm sharing it with the team for future consideration. - Keith



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@fivewhy - Thanks for the feedback, always greatly appreciated. I'm sharing it with the team for future consideration. - Keith

Thanks man, you're awesome. Take care!

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I have to admit that I was disappointed that there is no way to backtest an ATM.

I should have mentioned this: if you want to use an ATM-like tool, which is backtestable, check out BlackBird (also list of workshop topics to see what it's being used for).



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I thought that I had asked if Blackbird could backtest an ATM. I guess I wasn't clear. So if I make an ATM in Blackbird, are you saying that it is backtestable? That would be very helpful.

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I thought that I had asked if Blackbird could backtest an ATM. I guess I wasn't clear. So if I make an ATM in Blackbird, are you saying that it is backtestable? That would be very helpful.

BlackBird is meant to be an alternative to NinjaTrader's ATM, so you can replicate what you're doing in the ATM, and then use all the other features to get even more control over your trades' behaviors.

Some features aren't backtestable, due to limitations in NinjaTrader, but you can test most systems in BlackBird.

So if you're using BlackBird, then you wouldn't be using the ATM.



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Just to be clear, with Blackbird as a replacement to my ATM, I can accurately backtest my (ATM) strategy?

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Just to be clear, with Blackbird as a replacement to my ATM, I can accurately backtest my (ATM) strategy?

As you probably know, the word "accurate" is tricky when it comes to backtesting anything in NinjaTrader. But yes, you can run a backtest with BlackBird (since it's a Strategy component in NT).

This search result on our YouTube channel has some workshop recordings on backtesting BlackBird. Looks like they're all from the NT7 era, but the concepts are similar.

Here's some resources on backtesting in NT, and its limitations:

Discrepancies: Real-Time vs Backtest
Market Replay vs Back Test results
Running a NinjaScript Strategy from a Chart
Strategy Position vs. Account Position
Setting Real-Time Strategy Options
Forex: Realtime Order Fills vs. Backtesting



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Shark Week 2021 kicked off great so far. We now have 4 more speakers over the next 4 days.

Next talk is today at 4:30PM Eastern. Y'all are welcome to join here:

https://sharkweek.sharkindicators.com/


Also we will be presenting on the final day of Shark Week (this Friday) with a sneak peak at upcoming updates, and some good deals on BloodHound & BlackBird.



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