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Tim Morge has announced the formation of Market Geometry Institute. I am not connected to this organization in any way. I am simply making this information available here and encourage interested people to share their thoughts.

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The Market Geometry Institute (MGI) strives to provide the best quality educational material available to traders at any level of experience or expertise through the Market Geometry website; there is no better place to learn to become a more consistent trader.

We believe in Laozi's well known philosophy: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The MGI is not a ‘chat site’, not plastered with advertising, doesn’t offer trade touts or buy and sell signals for $400 or $500 a month. MGI doesn’t make unrealistic promises.

We have purposely kept a great deal of our material available, free; and we have purposely kept our 'for fee' materials and services prices extremely low.

Here are a couple of links -

Market Geometry – Ever Changing

The Market Geometry Institute – New Policies and Prices

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Let us assume that the pitchfork was a precursor to linear regression channels. Below a document that focusses on Median Lines. On of the approaches promoted by the Market Geometry Institute. Judge yourself.

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From the website -

The Market Geometry Institute (MGI) strives to provide the best quality educational material available to traders at any level of experience or expertise through the Market Geometry website; there is no better place to learn to become a more consistent trader.

We believe in Laozi's well known philosophy: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The MGI is not a ‘chat site’, not plastered with advertising, doesn’t offer trade touts or buy and sell signals for $400 or $500 a month. MGI doesn’t make unrealistic promises.

We have purposely kept a great deal of our material available, free; and we have purposely kept our 'for fee' materials and services prices extremely low.

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You can say the same thing about this site.

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Let us assume that the pitchfork was a precursor to linear regression channels. Below a document that focusses on Median Lines. On of the approaches promoted by the Market Geometry Institute. Judge yourself.

Conclusions
"The Median Line method appears to be a valid method of determining potential price action. Price returned to the Median Line 80% of the time as the method suggests. The most impressive outcome is the probabilities related to price cycling within the Median Line set. If the Median Line set describes price well, and price bounces off the Median Line and Median Line Parallels, high probability patterns appear. Although limitations exist with the method, the probabilities recorded demonstrate the usefulness of the method in determining potential price action. However, the study did not consider actual trade management including entries and exists. Actually trading the method is another endeavor in itself. The study does however suggest the Median Line method can give a trader an idea of the probability of price following a certain pattern given the proper conditions. It appears intuition and experience play a major role in the success of applying the method. It is unlikely an individual can pick up the basics of the method and immediately have success in trading. It appears, as with anything, practice and study are the keys to successfully applying the Median Line method to trading."


While these methods are tried and true and have a high probability of giving good followthrough, the challenge is still proper execution and trade management in real time.

Mahlon

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You can say the same thing about this site.

Regards,
-C

I agree that futures.io (formerly BMT) is a great site. With all due respect though, I doubt that there are very many here that would be in the same league as Tim. For example, see this article -

https://www.medianline.com/articles/Currency%20Traders.pdf

Mahlon

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There is another thread on the pitchfork here. I've been studying and practicing using it for entries in sim, but really haven't had much luck so far. I keep trying to predict the swing points, instead of identifying them, which just doesn't work. But I have been using it for setting profit targets. It seems especially useful in ranging markets when shooting for the moon is not practical or you aren't really sure what the best target is. This morning it kept me in a trade longer, when before I would have dumped out earlier at the pivot/ema20. I need more experience to better analyze it, but so far it seems to be improving my stats.

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There is another thread on the pitchfork here. I've been studying and practicing using it for entries in sim, but really haven't had much luck so far. I keep trying to predict the swing points, instead of identifying them, which just doesn't work. But I have been using it for setting profit targets. It seems especially useful in ranging markets when shooting for the moon is not practical or you aren't really sure what the best target is. This morning it kept me in a trade longer, when before I would have dumped out earlier at the pivot/ema20. I need more experience to better analyze it, but so far it seems to be improving my stats.

Nice chart. I have had very similar experiences to yours. Looks nice after the fact, but I am also still working on real time execution. Thanks for sharing.

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Here is a link to Alan Andrews' Action Reaction Course. Dr. Andrews was an active trader for 50 years. He used median lines, pitchforks, action reaction lines, etc. extensively in his charting techniques.

MedianLine - Classic Trading Techniques Energized - Journal

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Here is a link to Alan Andrews' Action Reaction Course. Dr. Andrews was an active trader for 50 years. He used median lines, pitchforks, action reaction lines, etc. extensively in his charting techniques.

MedianLine - Classic Trading Techniques Energized - Journal

Mahlon

This is what I have been reading, and rereading, and rereading. It's pretty hard to follow and, while throwing up a pitchfork after an entry is easy, trying to apply the action reaction concept is proving to be quite challenging. Hopefully it's worthwhile.

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Today's price action on the ES with 2 Pitchfork at work:






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This is what I have been reading, and rereading, and rereading. It's pretty hard to follow and, while throwing up a pitchfork after an entry is easy, trying to apply the action reaction concept is proving to be quite challenging. Hopefully it's worthwhile.

Vegasfoster,

How are you doing with median lines? I went ahead and became a premium member on Market Geometry. There are hundreds of hours of archived video training and discussion sessions available to premium members. One especially useful series is a 7 session presentation of basic Andrews material. Just yesterday I was going through one about pivot counts and the whole action/reaction line concept came through to me. Just going through this session alone would be worth the cost of a month's membership.

Having come across Market Geometry has sure been helpful for me. They do 3 - about 1 1/2 hours each - live sessions each week. They are planning to start sessions on intense focus topics every other Saturday - starting in October.

Good trading,

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How are you guys finding the Ninja tools for working with median lines? I think the guys on Market Geometry use Ensign or Esignal. One tool they use a lot that I haven't found in Ninja is an expanding parallel line tool to work with action reaction lines. It would be slick to have that tool.

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Here is a link to Market Geometry's free Monday session for October 4 -

Monday Free Mid-Day Session For October 4, 2010

I think this is a very good presentation. This link will only work today and part of tomorrow, so if you want to view it, don't put it off.

Here is the description from their website -

Tim's session was a real eye opener for many. It was the nuts and bolts of how to think about trading, the statistics that you need to be keeping track of and how they matter to your performance. Tim gives us an example of one of his mentoring students that increased his trading performance with a few minor adjustments… like trading less and using Median Line set ups closer to market structure.

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I watched the first 30 mins and realized it is downloadable.
He spends alot of time going over risk reward scenarios so far in this video. It's something I had already discovered but it's a point that can't be stressed enough. Definitely worth watching.


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Here is a link to Market Geometry's free Monday session for October 4 -

Monday Free Mid-Day Session For October 4, 2010

I think this is a very good presentation. This link will only work today and part of tomorrow, so if you want to view it, don't put it off.

Here is the description from their website -

Tim's session was a real eye opener for many. It was the nuts and bolts of how to think about trading, the statistics that you need to be keeping track of and how they matter to your performance. Tim gives us an example of one of his mentoring students that increased his trading performance with a few minor adjustments… like trading less and using Median Line set ups closer to market structure.

Good trading,

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I watched the first 30 mins and realized it is downloadable.

How do you do that? I never figured out how to download it.

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How do you do that? I never figured out how to download it.

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@mahlonhersh

Are you still using Median Lines? Are you still a premium member at Market Geometry? Did you feel you got your money's worth being a premium member? Did they teach you how to identify trade locations?

I'm considering signing up, however, I don't want to waste my time if it's not valuable.

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I have realplayerSP installed Watch & Download Videos for Free | RealPlayer
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Hello,

The right click on the "download this video to RealPlayer" does not do anything, which RealPlayer SP Premiums version. It shows the file, but does not download. Can you kindly advice.

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It is an old thread but nevertheless, here is some interesting info for ppl considering MG membership:https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/tim-morge-and-the-well-chosen-example.305061/page-3

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