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  #81 (permalink)
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Surely you don't think a day, week, or month of trades is enough to say the method works consistently. I'm not saying it isn't a good method just that a few trades doesn't demonstrate anything. You can make a string of random trades to prove that.

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Perhaps a solution would be to have a thread devoted just to Order Flow, particularly using Jigsaw, as that's the primary tool that most flow traders use.
I can't post to a journal every day. I'm a theoretical physicist when I'm not doing this and that takes time too.
However, I do make videos occasionally of particularly interesting days, especially losing days.
Maybe a thread just about order flow would solve the problem of demonstrating how and why it works.

Jigsaw is one of your sponsors as well. I don't think Peter would object to a thread about their platform.

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So start a thread..


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Perhaps a solution would be to have a thread devoted just to Order Flow, particularly using Jigsaw, as that's the primary tool that most flow traders use.
I can't post to a journal every day. I'm a theoretical physicist when I'm not doing this and that takes time too.
However, I do make videos occasionally of particularly interesting days, especially losing days.
Maybe a thread just about order flow would solve the problem of demonstrating how and why it works.

Jigsaw is one of your sponsors as well. I don't think Peter would object to a thread about their platform.

So start a thread..

From what i can see.. order flow is what TOS has as Active Trader
a bit RARER to know is that TOS has an API that lets you create programs to trade..
however its quite complicated for people who are not developers, and so its not well advertised.

on another note... I am looking into what real time data is available to anyone with a TOS account...
i will start another thread on the idea of creating an active tools from excel of sorts for a (very tiny) subscription
why?

i been looking around for this and there is nothing really good for the average joe to do this stuff right
there are tons of templates... and even more formulas and so on... but almost nada for anything reasonable

TD offers all kinds of tools and hidden stuff..
given this thread... i will keep an eye out on anything ORDER FLOW related (ie. active trader) data...
but i wouldn't get hopes up...


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on another note... I am looking into what real time data is available to anyone with a TOS account...
i will start another thread on the idea of creating an active tools from excel of sorts for a (very tiny) subscription

@Artfldgr, you may, of course, create any tool you wish, and charge whatever you wish for it.

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I understand that you are new to the site and probably were unaware of this, and I'm not coming down hard on you. I just want it to be clear from the outset, since you mentioned a subscription fee, that futures.io is not the place for it.

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@Artfldgr, you may, of course, create any tool you wish, and charge whatever you wish for it.

But if you post anything on futures.io about any tool or product or service that you charge a fee for, you will be running afoul of our policy against vendor self-promotion, and your post will be deleted and you will be banned.

If you offer something that is totally free, and that is not connected in some way -- for example, through a link to an external website -- to some paid product or service, that is fine.

There are site sponsors, who operate under their own set of rules regarding what they can do, and they are carefully selected. Most who request to be sponsors are not accepted.

Otherwise, we aim to have an environment that is free from commercial offers.

I understand that you are new to the site and probably were unaware of this, and I'm not coming down hard on you. I just want it to be clear from the outset, since you mentioned a subscription fee, that futures.io is not the place for it.

Bob.

It was only a thought about what i was thinking of doing..
not an advert for anything real, made, or actually done..

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Trader825 I would be interested in your results and your technique....

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Trader825 I would be interested in your results and your technique....

This was my first cut... not an excel VBA programmer..
but i am taking a shot at building a tool for myself at least.. (no sale, no promotion!!! wont step on that third rail!!)

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Not bad for a first cut...

It requires you have a TOS account and open the software..

even better, i figured out how to get a developer account, and can make web pages that can use rest api to get lots of even better information... which includes minute data, history data, etc... it even allows one to make programatic orders... but i am staying away from that rail too.. ha ha.

what i need is to figure out what information would make sense on other sheets..
i figure i would start with a drop down of the tickers from the first sheet
and then go from there...

anyway..
playing around as i wait for my bull put spreads to expire...

link to my journal so as not to derail the conversation here.
https://futures.io/trading-journals/50220-what-long-strange-trip-its-been.html


Last edited by Artfldgr; February 15th, 2020 at 11:21 AM. Reason: To link and move the discussion to my journal and not derail the conversation
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the larger point though is that she learned to trade by paying money
and your point was one cant do that

however... in truth... the paying doesnt really teach you to trade, it gives you all the information you lack to ramp you up... its what you do with that information that counts... and even she admits that she took several years of putzing around with her own account before she hit on the thing she would earn with...

Seems to me that we are in agreement

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I forgot to mention that the screenshot is of a REPORT, not the brokerage statement. The report is something you can download from the Tradovate platform at any time to get your up to date trade information. It downloads as a CSV.

Just my further and last 2 cents on the matter, but I would find that useless without the actual transaction times. I track stats such as enter/exit times but even if I didn't I would still need to know did I put a trade on near the open, later in the morning, after lunch or at the close? And finally I consider time more important than price (definitely in the minority here) in market analysis. Oh well.

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This is my third post on this thread so I'm not sure where you are coming up with a " few follow ups" ? Makes no sense to me and you've gone on and didn't answer my question...so just keep that magical, mystical chat room to your self. It's seems like it may be you that has the attitude problem with your reply. Very strange and out of line.
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Based on your initial post and few follow ups I can say that you are just another newbie who expects for the Order Flow to be a Holly Grail that will give you a green or red light when to buy and when to sell. It will not. Itís a tool that can help you to interpret market action and learning how to use it and understand it is entirely your responsibility.

My initial thought was to point you to one of the trading room that I know generates results and holds everyone (including its moderator) accountable for the trades, but after reading your outbursts I believe you will cause a problem there rather than actually learn something.


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Thank you to all who contributed constructively. I will check into the links and vendors mentioned but there seem to be very few replies that address my initial question specifically. I can appreciate the discussion though and thanks for the contributions. I really just wanted to know if there was someone marketing an ES chat room , trading with order flow who could show real profits. We seem to have gotten way off course. I suggest you go back and read the first post if you have any doubts. It's always interesting how threads evolve. Thanks !

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