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Orderflow ES chat rooms
I'm not sure where to post this but there is so much info on here about order flow but I have yet to find any chat rooms that are analyzing it in real time with much success. Most all speak in generalities or after the fact screen shots. So is there ANYONE who markets education ( Especially for the ES) that can actually trade with orderflow and shows you real time results? I'm not interested in excuses or stories about why this can't be done or it's an art form or blah, blah, blah. I'm looking for someone who actually gets results. Pretty dots and imbalances are cool to see but I'd rather see results and dollar signs. If there is a thread that speaks directly to my inquiry then please direct me there and I apologize for wasting time and causing others effort. It's frustrating to see vendor after vendor pop up without any kind of tradeable track record... I think it's time to crack down and sift through to get to what is real. All this stuff reminds me of the old gold rush stories....You're gonna get rich by finding gold but the real money was made by those selling the tools and supplies to those trying to find the gold. Sorry that this probably comes off as offensive and some vendors may get defensive but let's see some real results from the people peddling the product as the trades unfold.

Volt

Actually Volt your post is one of the best post in this forum , right to the center of the vortex

Hi @mayazoro, you made a useful post here, but I had to read to the end before I realized that what you were quoting by @Volt was a quote and wasn't being said by you.

When you're quoting somebody, if you just use the Quote button on their post, it will open a new post window with what you are quoting already there, and when you finish your post and click Submit, the quoted material will show up the way it did here when I quoted you, so people will get what you are saying, and that you are quoting someone and then replying to them.

FYI, just a matter of familiarity with the forum.

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hey, thanks...it means a lot but I do apologize if I wasn't as clear as maybe I could have been in the original post.It's funny how you can write something and think it makes perfect sense and it is crystal clear to yourself but to others it is read from a different angle. So sorry to those who saw it through a different lens. I think we have a good solid answer now though.
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Volt

Actually Volt your post is one of the best post in this forum , right to the center of the vortex


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Everyone,

1) Do an honest self-appraisal here. Are you being argumentative, passive-aggressive, or disrespectful in your tone? Take an opportunity to grow and rise above the nonsense being thrown around on this thread. Would you behave that way on a trading floor, in person, among other people?

2) You can NOT verify someone else's trading track record. It's very simple: open two accounts, trade the opposite position in each one every day, show the statement that was profitable for the day, redacting the account number. Easy. End of story. If I wanted to hide something from my wife, I could. You think someone you don't even know can't hide something from you? Wake up. When I was a newb on this site back in 2011, I asked @Big Mike something similar about a video .. "is it real?" I asked. He responded: "I don't have time for this, and it doesn't matter" ... boy, was he right, and boy, was I chasing my tail!

3) Which leads us to ... why do you even care? Stop worrying about other people's trading, what they do, their track record, and all of the other stupid shit that has been throw around out here. Start thinking for yourself. Borrow ideas, formulate your own view of the market, and learn to take calculated risk. That's all there is to it. Don't look up 5 years from now and find that you're still trying to decipher what someone else does.

4) There are a few people who I look to for ideas which helps me to improve my trading. I don't trust them with my life, I wouldn't turn over the creds to my trading account to them, and I wouldn't give them the keys to my house. But I trust myself enough to filter out good ideas and give things a try. Could any of these people go to jail tomorrow for fraud? Sure. Would I care? Nope. I don't lean on them, give them god-like status, or become disciples who parrot their language and try to be carbon copy clones. I suggest you find people like this who have what you consider to be viable ideas, and explore them yourself.

Appendix 1) There seems to be some myth that "institutional money" always wins. According to this article, hedge funds underperformed the market by about 300% during 2019, with funds closing all over the place. Einhorn is probably still short TSLA and NFLX and he's down 7% in one month! If I see one more post about "institutional money" when the poster clearly has zero clues, I'll ... well, not be surprised.

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I have been using the Jigsaw DOM and reconstructed tape for awhile now. Peter has a great deal of valuable training videos that gave me a clear way to understand what I was looking at and how to use it. I also did the NO BS Trading training and found that helpful as well but it is on treasuries not the ES. Hope that helps.

Great, thanks. So are you officially doing Order Flow Trading? Profitable?

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Hi @mayazoro, you made a useful post here, but I had to read to the end before I realized that what you were quoting by @Volt was a quote and wasn't being said by you.

When you're quoting somebody, if you just use the Quote button on their post, it will open a new post window with what you are quoting already there, and when you finish your post and click Submit, the quoted material will show up the way it did here when I quoted you, so people will get what you are saying, and that you are quoting someone and then replying to them.

FYI, just a matter of familiarity with the forum.

Bob.

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I have found order flow most useful in getting a sense of over all momentum and for trade placement. Combined with volume profile it gives me a sense as to where we may be headed or how the market may react to certain levels. I am not trading live for my own account at the moment due to my current work situation but will be soon. I have been using order flow in my work for years a reconstructed tape gives a better feel for what the institutional traders are doing as it puts the pieces back together on large lots. You have to put the time in but it is definitely worth it in my opinion. That said everyone sees things differently. Best wishes.

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To the OP...

There is more to making money from trading than what methods one is using to determine when and where to enter and exit. You need one or more setups that have a statistical edge and sufficient self management to trade only to your setups.

Order flow on its own is no silver bullet but being able to read and understand the volume that has traded and possibilities based upon what liquidity is being advertised is for sure better than any method that does not take volume into account. Price and price-based indicators are only showing the after effects caused by volume and this is why being able to read and understand volume is important.

You could have the best understanding of order flow that there is however but still lose money if you don’t apply this understanding in a methodical and repeatable way.

Much of what is promoted online around order flow is quite basic and opaque. If a vendor or educator is opaque it is likely that they do not understand what is happening from first principles. Those that do, and can explain things simply from first principles are those that can help you incorporate this understanding into your trading approach, however, a trading approach must be underpinned with a playbook of setups. So many traders just bring up their chart and look for some undefined ‘opportunity’.

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mayazoro View Post
Orderflow ES chat rooms

I'm not sure where to post this but there is so much info on here about order flow but I have yet to find any chat rooms that are analyzing it in real time with much success. Most all speak in generalities or after the fact screen shots. So is there ANYONE who markets education ( Especially for the ES) that can actually trade with orderflow and shows you real time results? I'm not interested in excuses or stories about why this can't be done or it's an art form or blah, blah, blah. I'm looking for someone who actually gets results. Pretty dots and imbalances are cool to see but I'd rather see results and dollar signs. If there is a thread that speaks directly to my inquiry then please direct me there and I apologize for wasting time and causing others effort. It's frustrating to see vendor after vendor pop up without any kind of tradeable track record... I think it's time to crack down and sift through to get to what is real. All this stuff reminds me of the old gold rush stories....You're gonna get rich by finding gold but the real money was made by those selling the tools and supplies to those trying to find the gold. Sorry that this probably comes off as offensive and some vendors may get defensive but let's see some real results from the people peddling the product as the trades unfold.



Volt



Volt no one will show you his trading account that why they are teaching, I am not saying that his or her teaching are not good, it can be that they know how to analyse the market , find a good set ups and teach you good order flow but they can not make money trading, so they go where the easy money is, where a lot of demand is, since 98 percent loose money, that a lot of clients, that a very attractive market with infinity supply


From what people have said, it seems that OFA analytics AND Jigsaw have live trade rooms that trade the ES with order flow


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Everyone,

1) Do an honest self-appraisal here...

So if someone posts something that seems a bit odd or unclear - don't ask questions. Got it.

In any case I believe Big Mike, or a moderator, is the one to tell any of us if we are out of line.

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Wanting to learn about "order flow," I've subscribed to Bookmap (bookmap.com) at $50/month plus data fees (and intend to continue to do so). One of the benefits of being a Bookmap subscriber is being able to listen to Bookmap's educational director, Bruce Pringle, present a daily, one-hour presentation on Bookmap use, in which he concentrates on discussing the current ES contract in real-time. Mind you, this is NOT a chat room or trading room. It is a professional trader and Bookmap employee analyzing current, real-time data, mainly ES, some NQ, occasional CL, and from time to time various stocks using Bookmap. It's up to each individual to decide if that is helpful to him or her and how to use it.

His daily "advanced" presentations, from 8-9 AM Pacific, are open to the public on Fridays. If you are interested in order flow in general and Bookmap in particular, I suggest that you sign up and listen to one of more of Bruce's free Friday "advanced" presentations. He also discusses Bookmap in general in daily "basic" presentations from 7:30 - 8 AM Pacific, which are open to everyone, although the hour-long "advanced" presentations are much more worthwhile. Registration is available on bookmap.com

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try these good folks https://convergenttrading.com/

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try these good folks https://convergenttrading.com/

Beta promo pricing ends this month, I'm joining to give it a look. $69 a month.

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Only ONE PROBLEM with your suggestion / hypothesis :

With lawyers you can ask / find a TRACK RECORD !!! - something MOST used SNAKE OIL room operators / so called mentors will never provide you with.

If you know who trained Tiger Woods - you would be willing to pay top $$$ - as you have a living PROOF ! Granted his will not ensure your success as you as a golfer may have your own genetic makeup / personality / bad traits etc - but if you fail - at least you know it’s not due to a bad mentor / system / lie smoke as mirrors 😉

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Is there anyone getting rich trading?

Yep.

And you want their track record and proof and helpful hints?

You got it.

AND YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND A DIME FOR IT?

Not too many of those people around.

I will make a deal with you.

Find me a world class lawyer. Not an accident case where you dont pay unless they win, where they always get some kind of settlement from an insurance company:

How about a Criminal lawer? Or maybe you want a partnership agreement with 3 partners, sell stock, buy out plan, LLC formation.

I want that lawyer to do a job for Free. Just to see how good he is. Then I will give him a ton of business.

YOU can't find one?

Oh. Then there is no such thing as lawyers.

Pretty weak logic right.

TB


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I will have to take a look at some sites

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The Pit - Futures Trading Community - TPO Market Profile & Footprint Order Flow Trading
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I know the folks who run this room. Good traders, good people.

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I know the folks who run this room. Good traders, good people.

Only $35 a month. Worth a look.

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