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Ausy mick very interesting charts and setup would be nice if you share template and indicators with us

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Well I am another former TI member.
I agree totally with Alan and Ausy Mick. Never made money with them.
Got me interested in trading though.
Am even more sceptical after the Australian manager left with half the team to open a Forex group, claiming it to be the answer. (Maybe for their pocket)
This is after they had told us how great futures are and how it is your financial future.
Goodluck if you use them.
Ausy Mick, what settings are you using there? TI's on the Stoch and MACD?
What are you using now as your trading style?

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Hi Guys

Posted below are the requested indicators and template. To complete the template you need to draw horizontal lines at + and - 40 on the
Demark REi indicator panel or use the constant lines indicator.

I have also posted some screenshots of Thursday morning's price action,
and a simple picture explaining divergence. A couple of things to note about this system - it is very easy to see these trade setups in hindsight ( 20/20 :-) ), but you have to be focused like a razor blade, and quick as lightning in real time (practice in sim)....

Another thing to note is that the market may show perfect divergence which is glaringly obvious and still not choose to respond to it. Usually if it does that it may give a signal for trend continuation but this is not cast in stone. Also note that divergence could be against the trend, or with the trend. Knowing when it is safe to go couter trend will help you stay on the right side of the market, as a strong trend could easily destroy counter trend trades.

Confirm signals with a longer time frame if you have to. Listen to Big Mike and Sharky - they have a wealth of wisdom to offer.

Vast, coming back to your question you will see that the indicators are the stochastic overlay, the ergodic oscillator and the Demark Rei .I threw out the MACD. I do however use Macd in some of my other systems. The thing about Macd is that it has a tendency to hide the truth and you have to be able to discern when it is doing that.

At the moment I have way too many sytems that I created during the last year.
Fortunately most of them are profitable, but I am working on perfecting two systems and using only those two. The one will be for lower volume months( like summer) and the other one for regular trading when we have volume in the market.

Hope this help guys.

Take care and have a good weekend.

Ausy Mick

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Trading Experience: Intermediate
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Fantastic work Mick. Like you said tho trading these divergences requires you to be super sharp. That may be a reason so many fail with TI. This system you posted here is pretty much identical to what they teach. I have tried numerous times to make something similar on ninja and I couldn't do it. Thanks for your post!

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Ausy Mick,

Where is your Stochastic setting from? This is not the TI setting, is it?

Try these settings: Traders International Numbers - Page 2

These are more like the settings.

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Hi Alan.

The stochastic setting is different than Traders International. I didnt want to reproduce or
copy their system - you will also notice that I threw out the Macd and replaced it with the ECO and Demark indicators. I just posted the system for educational purposes.

I will however look at those setting again. Thank you for those.
Take care and good trading


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Hi Ausy Mick,

I'm not saying that the TI system or numbers are the answer. In fact, I do not believe that their system works. If you can adapt their method and system to suite your trading style then that's great. You will probably get a better result with your own adaptation.

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This is the setting he mentioned in CME video;

stoch(5,5,2) %k=5, %d=5 %d slow=2 overlays on chart then erase slow line. He never change this parm, ever. The lower pannel is diff story, depend on his mood it could be price osc(3,14), I like (5,34) better. or MACD(8,3,5) notice they all fib numbers as he is obsessed with fib numbers, erase macd signal line too.
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One thing I have learnt after many years of pointless 'grail searching' is that it really does'nt matter on the precise settings of an indicator, any indicator. People can get too fixated with the exact settings (I know I did). End of the day, the settings are such a tiny element of the profitability or not, of a trader, that it is immaterial.

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Ausy, those charts seems interesting what indicators are you using on them.
thanks HOBBIT^33^

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