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no mike i have no contact or conection with school of trade , ill forward you my emails to them asking questions about service if needed . all i did was take a demo ,

Just interesting you are using an identical copy of a message defending this vendor, and have posted it twice in this thread and once on another website a few months ago...

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it only went twice cause i was on my iphone and didnt go through so i hit submit reply again and it posted it twice , believe me i have no contact with them , i have be going back and forth with them trying to get a better deal on site ,

heres an answer to my last email from them , i asked about other members talking to me and what happens if something happen to jj who would run the school !



Perry - SchoolOfTrade
Apr 4 (5 days ago)


Hi Ben,

Let me send out an email to our members and see if anyone will speak with
you.

Yes, we have a 2nd trade room for members only, which we just unveiled this
week.

There are plenty of members who could take over for JJ if something happens
to him. Plus all of the course materials and trading resources are held in
the member section and available 24 hours a day. So even if JJ wasn’t here
for some reason you would be fully trained on the system as well as have
possession of all the tools and resources.

Yes, we accept credit card. When you are ready to sign up I will send over
the URL and promo code to use.

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all i was doing was saying my experience thats all , i could care less if anyone joins there site , as a matter a fact unless they lower ther cost for me then i wont be joining either , few months ago they offered a good price and i dint take it , now when i wanted to join they reniged on that price so we are working on a new price for the advanced coarse .

but im starting to think i just had a lucky run after all the crap i keep reading about them .

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Alright, thanks Ben.

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Hey Guys, Fibbee here to "tout" the school of trade some more.

The two screen-shots below were posted on sidewaysmarkets.com yesterday afternoon. (the daily blog used by JJ)

I check the blog at night sometimes and unlike most of the screen-shots he posts at the end of the day, these are wide enough to clearly see his chart trader and that he is trading a live account.

@LloydH Please forward this to your investigative team and get back to me.

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Hey Guys, Fibbee here to "tout" the school of trade some more.

The two screen-shots below were posted on sidewaysmarkets.com yesterday afternoon. (the daily blog used by JJ)

I check the blog at night sometimes and unlike most of the screen-shots he posts at the end of the day, these are wide enough to clearly see his chart trader and that he is trading a live account.

@LloydH Please forward this to your investigative team and get back to me.

Please only post reviews of your actual trades, not just repost what the vendor uses for marketing his product.

This thread is for reviews, not solicitations or advertising. And you've already given your review...

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One thing we never should glance over, is the fact that owners of tradingrooms are NEVER selfless good samaritans rendering a service to help the retail trader. Even in the best scenarios, where they claim they are offering the service to repay something they received in the beginning years, its still doubtful whether they are trade successfully and if so, why the hell do they bother with selling their stuff/systems/rooms to the retail trader.

the owner of SOT is in my view a bad samaritan. he pretends to help but for a steady fee. let him give a selfless free service and let the retail crowd give him donations out of appreciation.

any good trader should make money trading, not selling a service. otherwise they quality to be called bad samaritans..

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I know I have spent my two cents on this thread, and I have been hesitant to make another post feeling slightly reprimanded by Big Mike for my last one. However, I want to clarify a couple of things that I wrote about in my original posts a few months ago.

At the time I had just lost the better part of my first account through undisciplined behavior and letting an auto-trader run while I was sleeping. Mistakes I have now taken personal responsibility for. Regardless, I was looking for someone to blame for my own lack of professionalism and this thread provided me the opportunity to bash JJ and his service. I was very frustrated at the time by his constant sales effort towards trial members, it made me feel like I was just a number, and I felt joining SOT was a mistake. My own lack of immediate success lead me to feel like I had been ripped off. However, I have been given everything I was told and with full transparency. One of the things that JJ strives to teach people is disqualifying trades, finding a reason to let it pass by, and this can be extremely difficult for new traders to do when they are over-eager and impatient about success. I found myself taking trades he disqualified, and most of them ended up being losers.

I assumed he was trading a sim because I was unable to replicate similar results and the arguments some of you provided kind of made sense. Although, I never truly believed that having listened and watched him in the trade room. There is no reason why he would not be trading live, he is a professional about his trading in every sense. Even down to things that many people would consider irrelevant, like not consuming caffeine for example. It would be like Lance Armstrong using training wheels..

The bottom line is, you can call the SOT a scam, you can call JJ a bad samaritan for running a room, but the method and lessons he is trying to teach people work. I wouldn't expect him or anyone else to do it for free. He is not hiding anything from anyone, he posts screenshots with his chart trader fully visible and his executions from NT on the blog every night. What more do you want? Now that I have finally set aside my own ego, and I am dedicated towards actually following what he teaches and not trying to incorporate other indicators, or deviate from the plan, my trading has never been better. I am finally listening instead of hearing what he is teaching. Now, I am not saying that there are not things about SOT that I cant stand. The email blasts, the sales pitches, and the constant stupid questions by newbie traders that don't want to do any work on their own, all those can become extremely frustrating to listen too. But the facts still remain, the School of Trade is a legitimate school of trade. At least in my humble contradicting opinion. Whether you want to be a legitimate student is not in his control, that is solely up to you.

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I guess the thing that really turned me off to him and made me question his ethics was he would identify a trade and then, after several seconds would say something like, "Wait" or "Hold on" as though he had changed his mind. Most are going to say that I was expecting a trade calling room. Not true. I never took the trade. What I questioned is that this change of mind, a losing trade, never showed up on the P&L statement at the end of the day. Why not? He was "cooking the books". Ya know what, I'd have a lot more respect for the man if he was completely honest. By fudging on his success it relegates him to the same mass of schisters and scam artists to which we all try to avoid. Some may want to sift through the morass of good or bad, right or wrong, legit or scam scenarios and examples. I have neither the time nor the inclination to so investigate further. I would not be so objective as I once was. I would now only be looking to validate an already biased opinion.

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where is bid and ask on the chart trader , and if u take a screen shot with ninja , the chart trader does not stay in pic , read his website , it says all trades are simulated

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read his website , it says all trades are simulated

Here again is the oh so subtle misrepresentation. He used to boast how much money he was making and would always include that he made XXXX USD. That's right, United States Dollars. Not SIM dollars. There is a difference. By so stating that he made XXXX USD he was making the claim that he made real spendable cash- not monopoly money. If he has to hide behind technicalities and legal stipulations and semantics then the guy is covering up more than his ass. Let's leave games to kids. These are people with real money who are considering making the investment in his educational services. Perhaps they should buy his services with the same SIM dollars he is making in his claims.

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where is bid and ask on the chart trader , and if u take a screen shot with ninja , the chart trader does not stay in pic , read his website , it says all trades are simulated

There is no bid/ask on the chart trader.

Can you be more specific about where it says that on his website. I read his terms and conditions and couldnt find it. Just your typical disclaimers.

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I guess the thing that really turned me off to him and made me question his ethics was he would identify a trade and then, after several seconds would say something like, "Wait" or "Hold on" as though he had changed his mind. Most are going to say that I was expecting a trade calling room. Not true. I never took the trade. What I questioned is that this change of mind, a losing trade, never showed up on the P&L statement at the end of the day. Why not? He was "cooking the books". Ya know what, I'd have a lot more respect for the man if he was completely honest. By fudging on his success it relegates him to the same mass of schisters and scam artists to which we all try to avoid. Some may want to sift through the morass of good or bad, right or wrong, legit or scam scenarios and examples. I have neither the time nor the inclination to so investigate further. I would not be so objective as I once was. I would now only be looking to validate an already biased opinion.

I agree. I am ultimately just trying to get to the bottom of it. I think it is important. I do not want to post the stuff from his site here because it seemed to piss off big mike and I want to obey his forum rules but if you follow this link

SidewaysMarkets.com│Day Trading Strategies: Trade Room Recap

there are screenshots with his executions and you can see the account, (slightly redacted) that he is trading from.

Is this not a live account?

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there is no bid or ask on your chart trader then ur not connected live , cause there definetly is for sure

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there is no bid or ask on your chart trader then ur not connected live , cause there definetly is for sure

Excellent point.

Where on his site does it say that all trades are simulated?

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Never mind I found it. Made it bold.


"Trading Signals

All signals are for educational purposes only and are not to be construed as an offer to buy nor sell future contracts. By reading this, you hereby agree that you will not make actual trades based on any information, educational alerts or triggers that are posted in any education, via email or discussed via audio/video/text in the chat room - this is not a financial advisory service. Note that all of our posts are for educational use only; per CFTC/SEC guidelines we do not give investment advice nor promote the buying nor selling of any specific futures contract(s). Traders assume full liability for all trading risks and outcomes. Do not make actual trades based on information or alerts based on any information from SchoolOfTrade.com nor our live Signal services. The signal service, for which you are enrolling sole purpose, is training. We are an online educational source for learning to trade futures contracts.SchoolOfTrade.com & United Business Servicing or its employees and associates are not responsible for any loss or profit.

The chat room and trade room is for online educational purposes only. It is not to be misunderstood as a trading room. Such as a room giving signals for trading real money. We request that our students follow our trades using a simulator as we do when we recognize trading opportunities. Please do not misunderstand our services. We are here to educate students using actual real-time charts and market data. Do your own due diligence and consult with a qualified broker or registered investment advisor (which we are not) prior to making any trades. You assume all risk/liability for all trades that you make. Day trading is high-risk and speculative in nature, and is not suitable for most people. Past performance is not indicative of future performance. We make no performance claims of any kind. You hereby agree to all terms on this page before you become a trial, beginner, intermediate, or advanced member to any service provided by SchoolOfTrade.com."

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iam a member and to be completely honest , its not a bad program , hes a good teacher , gives tons of stuff for the money but its not a trade calling service , do the 2 week trial , pm if u have any more questions

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iam a member and to be completely honest , its not a bad program , hes a good teacher , gives tons of stuff for the money but its not a trade calling service , do the 2 week trial , pm if u have any more questions

So am I and I know exactly what you mean. I took heat in this thread when I first got involved because I was honest about his material and teachings, his "school" being legitimate. I dont even participate in his trade room anymore so his signals dont matter to me. What does matter is people getting the right information and not a vengeful opinion from someone who lost money. I have no problem being wrong about something, but if he is making false claims, and fudging his numbers, then I want it to be known to people who are considering membership.

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problem is we cant be honest about sot because if we say anything negitive , we get kicked out and lose 4000 , already happened to about 20 members about 2 months ago but he gave memberships back

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he will probably boot me for writing that , but me and jj have made peace and i think its one of the better programs out there , lots of bs out there

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I think that booting members for asking questions is more unethical than running a live room on a sim. My intentions are not to litter the internet with trash talking, I just want to know the truth, and I think its only fair that if someone is doing their own due diligence before becoming a member they can come across this thread and understand the fine print. I have learned a lot from JJ, and I dont regret joining. I dont really have much more to say on the matter.

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i agree , i learned alot too and do not regret joining , and i have met some wonderful traders who i now trade with live everyday in our own little group

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benrock is a shill & a liar

benrock posted on this thread in March 2012 saying he had just done a 2 free trial sessions, refer to the post here :


TWO MONTHS EARLIER, IN JANUARY 2012 BENROCK POSTED ON MY BLOG SAYING HE JUST PAID FOR AN ADVANCED MEMBERSHIP!

Please look back to my earlier post on this thread regarding comments from benrock,

JJ goes round all the forums posting garbage, as soon as some truth is written about his scam he tries to fill the thread up with nonsense posts about how great he is and how system makes tons of money, garbage SOT is a scam, amazing he is still getting away with it!

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First of all I have never posted on ur blog , I joined sot about 6 months ago , I am not liar and I'm not disagreeing with u but like I said if I post anything bad about sot I lose my membership , I know and respect ur sot feelings , not against u brother

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Lloyd, I know nothing about SOT but I hope you can get past your bad experience with them and find peace in your trading. Good luck!

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Lloyd, I know nothing about SOT but I hope you can get past your bad experience with them and find peace in your trading. Good luck!

It seems to me SOT should refund this guys money.

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Anyone who wants to join the class action law suit against SOT needs to register at my BLOG, www.schooloftrade.com & James Wave Review

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In 1997 I took a Wade Cook class-cost was about $3900. His big statement was do as I do...watch me from our website and follow me. So I blindly signed up for 6 months for more big $$. I did his option trades and slowly took a 10K account to almost nothing about 1200 left in it. My winners were small, and my losers were large...heard that story before. About 3-4 years later I signed up for a class action suit, and filled out 8-10 pages. About 1 year or so later, the FCC won the suit against Cook and his company, and I got a check in the mail. It was for less then 1% of what I paid, the FCC took the majority of the suit. The lawyers make a killing.....not so much for anyone else. BTW, I took my wife to dinner, and told her I was sorry for losing 14K. BTW, I never lost like that again....but money mgt. is so key to trading, and focus on that not who is teaching or calling trades. It is all up to us. Here are my daily rules that I read each day prior to trading:

My philosophy of Trading:

1. Trading is a probability business.
2. You can win or you can lose when trading. Learn to accept losing…this is hard to learn at first. Our culture says we must win at all costs. Trading is 180 of what we have been taught in life.
3. Know the trading probability of your system.
4. Do not use real money, until you can duplicate your trading method and results in Sim mode, as you would trading real money. The pressure in RT separates from this fact.
5. Even under all your systems best risk reward setup you will still have losing trades.
6. Learn to love those losing trades just as much as you win….just keep the losers short and follow your rules.
7. Let your winners run, and keep your losers tight-Not the other way around.
It is your job to minimize your losses and maximize your winners-No One Else is responsible for you but YOU.
8. Do not take every trade you see…Know the best time for your trading method.
9. You must follow your specific rule set for each trade that will help you to be on the winning side of trades most of the time.
10. You are the Holy Grail….not a system, or someone else.
11. Become a Master of- Volume Analysis, S & R, Price action and the specific markets you trade.

Hope this helps...trade relaxed.... above all be happy. Mark



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Anyone who wants to join the class action law suit against SOT needs to register at my BLOG, www.schooloftrade.com & James Wave Review


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It seems School of Trade is pirating Elite indicators and selling them as their own. This is based on a video I just watched on YouTube where they were saying to get Gom indicators from their website.



I have tried to make contact with him. If true, I will take legal action. Based on what I've read in this thread with all the other legal action against these people it is not surprising.

Here is the true link to Gom Volume Ladder Metro edition, in Elite section, by original author and Elite only as per Gomi:



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It seems School of Trade is pirating Elite indicators and selling them as their own. This is based on a video I just watched on YouTube where they were saying to get Gom indicators from their website.

I have tried to make contact with him. If true, I will take legal action. Based on what I've read in this thread with all the other legal action against these people it is not surprising.

Here is the true link to Gom Volume Ladder Metro edition, in Elite section, by original author and Elite only as per Gomi:



Mike


Mike,

This is nothing new..

I downloaded his "Beta_Indicators" back in February of 2013. I have attached a snippit of what was included in that download. I am not sure which ones are Elite and which are not.. I know some can be found on the NT forum as well.

(I am fairly certain AcmeTrendAnalysis Pack and SymmetryDots belong to other vendors)

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It seems School of Trade is pirating Elite indicators and selling them as their own. This is based on a video I just watched on YouTube where they were saying to get Gom indicators from their website.



I have tried to make contact with him. If true, I will take legal action. Based on what I've read in this thread with all the other legal action against these people it is not surprising.

Here is the true link to Gom Volume Ladder Metro edition, in Elite section, by original author and Elite only as per Gomi:



Mike

Joseph James needs a bit of litigation in his life. Go for it!

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My "Lifetime Membership" has coincidentally been revoked and Support doesn't seem to want to provide a response email with an explanation for it.. not surprising.

I honestly could care less at this point - I stopped using their service a long time ago.

One thing is certain however, its obvious that they monitor this thread.

So, let this be a warning to anyone who comes to this thread while performing some basic due-diligence before joining their sham.

Ask yourself the following question:

If you were a successful trader who traded multiple markets everyday and was able to trade the entire year without having a single losing day, would you need to pirate indicators? would you completely change your perfect methodology? and would you boot members from your organization who asked questions or provided information to other people in regards to illegal business activities you have been accused of clearly doing?

Doesn't sound very legitimate to me...

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It seems School of Trade is pirating Elite indicators and selling them as their own. This is based on a video I just watched on YouTube where they were saying to get Gom indicators from their website.

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they removed their YouTube video, weasel!

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they removed their YouTube video, weasel!

I don't see any removed videos here
Joseph James - YouTube

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I don't see any removed videos here
Joseph James - YouTube

Good point, there's still plenty of videos on there of them using GOMI's indicators.

They probably just haven't gotten around to taking those ones down yet.

Better watch them while you can Pico!

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I don't see any removed videos here
Joseph James - YouTube

PicoTrader.

The offending video that Big Mike referred to has been removed. So why did you post a link to this company's you tube site where their other videos are. I note that you have defended this companies on previous occasions. Do you have any relationship with them apart from being a paid subscriber?

As one of the recent poster (Fibbee) on this thread has said, why would any company pirate other people's indicators and have it on their website as if they have the right to do this.

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PicoTrader.

The offending video that Big Mike referred to has been removed. So why did you post a link to this company's you tube site where their other videos are. I note that you have defended this companies on previous occasions. Do you have any relationship with them apart from being a paid subscriber?

As one of the recent poster (Fibbee) on this thread has said, why would any company pirate other people's indicators and have it on their website as if they have the right to do this.

Dudley

you don't need to be so mad, I don't see anything wrong with PicoTrader, he just told us a fact there were some videos left on Youtube . you just blame him about it, it is not fair.

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you don't need to be so mad, I don't see anything wrong with PicoTrader, he just told us a fact there were some videos left on Youtube . you just blame him about it, it is not fair.

@ supermht

I am not mad at PicoTrade, I was just saying that I found it strange that he has ignored what Cory had said, in that SOT have removed the offending video from YouTube. The one which BM was referring to, where SOT was incorrectly making indicators available to their members that were illicitly taken from futures.io (formerly BMT) without the creators permission. and instead posted a link to the SOT you tube marketing site. It just seemed a bit strange to me that is all.

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you don't need to be so mad, I don't see anything wrong with PicoTrader, he just told us a fact there were some videos left on Youtube . you just blame him about it, it is not fair.

PicoTrader is a member of school of trade.

He was clearly making a passive aggressive defense of the school of trade by posting a link to Joseph James' Youtube channel.

Typical troll just trying to stir the pot.

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PicoTrader is a member of school of trade.

Typical troll just trying to stir the pot.

I wish I had just come out and said that, and maybe I would have had a 'thank you' rather than being accused of being 'mad' and unfair. Tis a very strange world indeed.

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Interesting thread. I'd echo Big Mike here in saying don't use trading rooms instead pick up a book or 10 and learn by doing as all the info you need is on Amazon and online for free. Bottom line there are no short cuts..and there's a reason this is one of the most challenging professions out there.

I was looking at trade rooms when I first started out to help with understanding more about NT7 if nothing else and did look at this chap JJ actually. I thought better of it though. Especially when I read so many clearly fake posts written of forums online. To be honest it does sound like some of the users on this post where vendor affiliated as the language is very similar to the other posts from JJ (of perhaps that's the conspiracy theorist in me surfacing). And given they were allegedly selling indicators from futures.io (formerly BMT) that kind of makes sense as they would have had to have a membership here. Piracy is bad for the business especially given the time and effort the contributors/developers here have put in. Just wanted to give a shout out to those that contribute their work!!! Big thank you.

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It seems School of Trade is pirating Elite indicators and selling them as their own. This is based on a video I just watched on YouTube where they were saying to get Gom indicators from their website.

I have tried to make contact with him. If true, I will take legal action. Based on what I've read in this thread with all the other legal action against these people it is not surprising.

Here is the true link to Gom Volume Ladder Metro edition, in Elite section, by original author and Elite only as per Gomi:



Mike


Big Mike,

What ever happened with this situation?

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Members

Be very careful with JJ as he is a scam and he trades in SIM.

Here is the daily profit levels he and Megan send to poor vulnerable traders.He trades in SIM and loves to listen to himself.


He only does around 500.00 per day with 4 contracts per day. His method is nothing better than anything else you can get here or on You Tube.

Be very careful and save your money and run as fast as you can....He markets his program using JJ Bars and in his room he doesnt even use them, instead he uses Tick charts and is always looking to take trades against the trend.



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JJ has GOMI indicator and we all know where GOMI uploaded his indicators at...futures.io (formerly BMT)

JJ sends daily video updates with trade plans and what a shock....he doesnt use them in is room.... he uses tick charts to look at first and second fails

School of trades methods are no different to Traders International and JJ loves to talk and my be thats why he thinks he is so good.

Also his website states

Advanced Membership Information :
Serious Traders:
Are you ready for the Opportunity of a Lifetime?
Shadow-Trade with Professionals in our Live Trade Room
Trading Plan + Nightly Members Newsletter + Live Trade Room = Long Term Profit!

This is so not true... you wont get any of this at all.... you have to go through 100s of videos and you will come out confused at the best.

Method changes all the time ...and he is scared to show his JJ bars in the room as he stated that people like JD Needham will hack it... He uses the JJ bars in his marketing promotional videos and they are in market replay mode and all those trades are in SIM.

wow ..amazing facts about a 5k plan.

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This long thread on SOT is very, very interesting. i have attended a number of his afternoon reviews and have found him really interesting. He is definitely "on fire"...probably drinks 30 cups of coffee a day but I have back traded many of his huge trades on Replay and came up with similar numbers so I do know that AT LEAST the trades he SHOWS are legit. His DOM is white which indicates a live trading account, not SIM and he really knows his trend lines, S/R's and is funny. I kinda like the guy but I have been burned before by likable guys so I am super cautious. I was so ready to join that I put $5000 in a special account to send to him and decided to check out some reviews before I joined. I was horrified by what I saw and not just the negative comments on Big Mikes but EVERY other forum out there. So, I decided to further look into this and also try to see who started all this commotion.

It seems as though a guy called Llyod H or something from the UK started it and just went peddle to the metal with it. He has not responded to any inquiries by me and everything he did was quite a few years ago. Then on one site (probably shouldn't name it here, but it is pretty easy to find) I saw a letter by LlyodH, with his same handle, apologizing as part of his 12 step program for MAKING IT ALL UP! Seems he was a student and started his own Trade Room then was bent on destroying Joesph James. Llyod does not respond to any inquiries and hasn't been active here for quite awhile.

WOW!!! This is like "Days of Our Life" or something. I REALLY want to find out the TRUTH. I would hate to see a good man ruined nor would I want to see good people ruined by a bad man. There have been a lot of super positive comments posted and all the negative comments seem to be posted by a small group of people. The BOTTOM LINE would be is there anybody MAKING MONEY from SCHOOL OF TRADE? A lot of super successful people have "unique" personalities. I would like to find out the TRUTH here as I think personal assassination is a very serious thing and I have seen it before. Anybody remember the Mary McMartin pre school scandal?

Here is the apology from LloydH as printed in another forum;

lloydH
Read the truth here : www.schooloftrade.com & James Wave Review
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My apologies to Schooloftrade.com

I am a previous member of SchoolOfTrade.com, and I am now a competitor selling day trading education online.

The reason I am posting this today is because I am working through my 8th step in Alcoholics Anonymous, which requires me to make amends to people I have harmed in the past, and this is my sincere attempt to apologize for causing so much harm to SchoolOfTrade.com and anyone associated with that website.

In all honesty, SchoolOfTrade.com is where I learned to become a successful trader. I saw how much success they have at SchoolOfTrade.com and I thought that I could have more success with my website if I slandered their good name in this industry.

I know what I did was wrong, and I know what I have done has stolen thousands of clients, and millions of dollars from the owner of SchoolOfTrade.com.

I hope that SchoolOfTrade.com will forgive me for this horrible behavior, I am truly, truly sorry for causing them harm.

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JCHAWAII,

If you decide to join the school of trade would you do all of us a favor and share an unbiased (no need to capitalize certain words) review of your results?

Because even when you take guys like Lloyd out of the equation, you still have a vendor who is:

1. "accused of" pirating indicators created by other vendors and members of futures.io (formerly BMT).
2. Booting members who disagree with him, and in my personal case - booting members who provide proof of his indicator pirating.
3. According to my experience, both in provided excel sheets and trade room experience, along with the information provided by him on youtube, and the information provided from other members of futures.io (formerly BMT) who have become involved with School of Trade -- Joseph James is able to trade for months and months and months without having a single losing day (see spreadsheet provided by sharmas in previous posts, I have some too from when I joined) and the simple matter of fact is that this is bullshit. There is no one, not even virtu who can do this.

So, JOIN! and share your EXPERIENCE with US because I am INTERESTED in the RESULTS!





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This long thread on SOT is very, very interesting. i have attended a number of his afternoon reviews and have found him really interesting. He is definitely "on fire"...probably drinks 30 cups of coffee a day but I have back traded many of his huge trades on Replay and came up with similar numbers so I do know that AT LEAST the trades he SHOWS are legit. His DOM is white which indicates a live trading account, not SIM and he really knows his trend lines, S/R's and is funny. I kinda like the guy but I have been burned before by likable guys so I am super cautious. I was so ready to join that I put $5000 in a special account to send to him and decided to check out some reviews before I joined. I was horrified by what I saw and not just the negative comments on Big Mikes but EVERY other forum out there. So, I decided to further look into this and also try to see who started all this commotion.

It seems as though a guy called Llyod H or something from the UK started it and just went peddle to the metal with it. He has not responded to any inquiries by me and everything he did was quite a few years ago. Then on one site (probably shouldn't name it here, but it is pretty easy to find) I saw a letter by LlyodH, with his same handle, apologizing as part of his 12 step program for MAKING IT ALL UP! Seems he was a student and started his own Trade Room then was bent on destroying Joesph James. Llyod does not respond to any inquiries and hasn't been active here for quite awhile.

WOW!!! This is like "Days of Our Life" or something. I REALLY want to find out the TRUTH. I would hate to see a good man ruined nor would I want to see good people ruined by a bad man. There have been a lot of super positive comments posted and all the negative comments seem to be posted by a small group of people. The BOTTOM LINE would be is there anybody MAKING MONEY from SCHOOL OF TRADE? A lot of super successful people have "unique" personalities. I would like to find out the TRUTH here as I think personal assassination is a very serious thing and I have seen it before. Anybody remember the Mary McMartin pre school scandal?

Here is the apology from LloydH as printed in another forum;

lloydH
Read the truth here : www.schooloftrade.com & James Wave Review
lloydH
My apologies to Schooloftrade.com

I am a previous member of SchoolOfTrade.com, and I am now a competitor selling day trading education online.

The reason I am posting this today is because I am working through my 8th step in Alcoholics Anonymous, which requires me to make amends to people I have harmed in the past, and this is my sincere attempt to apologize for causing so much harm to SchoolOfTrade.com and anyone associated with that website.

In all honesty, SchoolOfTrade.com is where I learned to become a successful trader. I saw how much success they have at SchoolOfTrade.com and I thought that I could have more success with my website if I slandered their good name in this industry.

I know what I did was wrong, and I know what I have done has stolen thousands of clients, and millions of dollars from the owner of SchoolOfTrade.com.

I hope that SchoolOfTrade.com will forgive me for this horrible behavior, I am truly, truly sorry for causing them harm.


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I definitely have put SOT on hold until I find out the truth, but I have back traded a lot of his daily reviews and they have all been right on. As far as stealing indicators, I don't know about that I make surfboards and all of us surfboard shapers come up with similar stuff about the same time and we all claim to have invented it.

I definitely don't like, if true, the being kicked out of his room stuff and not getting your money, or a portion of it, back. But then, I almost got kicked out of Big Mikes because I didn't understand how to post when I couldn't post (figure that one out). That would have been a bummer but then this room is free. I am sure he would have given me my money back.

I don't buy into the SIM stuff because I can plainly see the white live DOM. I always have a SIM DOM up even when I trade live, and it will often be behind my charts, so if I slide a chart over quickly, a SIM DOM would be visible.

As far as calling trades too quickly...that is trading. another "character", ACE, yodels and calls them so fast your head spins but I had my best day of the year following him (on SIM, of course) during his trial. I had to take numerous trials to figure it out with him...so go figure.

As far as PNL's. They can all be faked.

I know a lot of people here don't like Trade Rooms, but I have been very successful as a surfboard shaper and for the first few years I copied all the masters, even to the point of finding out how they held their tools or what music they played while working. After a few years I took what I learned and created my own style. I was an art student in college and copied Michael angelo, Da Vinci, Picasso. Pollack...all the great masters and I can also call myself an artist.

Just as there are many ways to skin a cat, there are many ways to learn to trade. I am not telling anyone what to do. I just want to search out the truth plus I find this thread super interesting and it takes a lot to hold my interest these days...lol.

ps...I am not a beginner trader as someone in this thread said. I can hold my own. I see that, if true,JJ knows what he is doing and even if he cherry picks his trades to show people, his stops are so small, that getting stopped out won't wipe out an account quickly, but like I said I have not made my mind up and am just searching for the truth in this soap opera.

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I believe a recent School of Trade account was banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) after I found them out (see prior piracy comments), and definitely would not be surprised if this new guy JCHAWAII was just another SOT account to drum up more business from uneducated clueless people.

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I believe a recent School of Trade account was banned on futures.io (formerly BMT) after I found them out (see prior piracy comments), and definitely would not be surprised if this new guy JCHAWAII was just another SOT account to drum up more business from uneducated clueless people.

Mike

I got some random PM from him about dinosaurs... So I don't know what is going on. It was a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment.

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I am not the vendor! You can check out my website, jchawaii.com to see who I am. I am just very interested in SOT and I thought that the point of the SOT thread was for members to find out the truth. I see so many mistakes said about SOT and I have also been a victim of a surfboard forum where my competitors posed as disgruntled customers. It got real nasty.

I am also trying to poke holes in the SOT claims but when I do it with an open mind I can’t (so far). I mean what about the LloydH alcoholic situation? Isn’t that a huge red flag? I just want to be fair.

I am so sorry that I misunderstood how to post but I am always super busy and your site is pretty complex, which will be cool once I figure it out but I don’t like being accused of being the vendor. If I can get REAL proof of him being a crook then I will join in and stone him but I remember something about “let he who has no sin be the first to cast the stone”.

I love lively conversations and this situation has really got me curious.

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I am not the vendor! You can check out my website, jchawaii.com to see who I am. I am just very interested in SOT and I thought that the point of the SOT thread was for members to find out the truth. I see so many mistakes said about SOT and I have also been a victim of a surfboard forum where my competitors posed as disgruntled customers. It got real nasty.

I am also trying to poke holes in the SOT claims but when I do it with an open mind I can’t (so far). I mean what about the LloydH alcoholic situation? Isn’t that a huge red flag? I just want to be fair.

I am so sorry that I misunderstood how to post but I am always super busy and your site is pretty complex, which will be cool once I figure it out but I don’t like being accused of being the vendor. If I can get REAL proof of him being a crook then I will join in and stone him but I remember something about “let he who has no sin be the first to cast the stone”.

I love lively conversations and this situation has really got me curious.

I just don't buy your story, sorry JCHAWAII. So much has been said about SOT on this forum and you are STILL "curious" and determined (so it seems) to waste thousands of dollars with them?

I don't get it man. I just don't get it.

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I don't buy into the SIM stuff because I can plainly see the white live DOM. I always have a SIM DOM up even when I trade live, and it will often be behind my charts, so if I slide a chart over quickly, a SIM DOM would be visible.

You do realize that you can just change the simulation color of your DOM from Slate to White in the DOM properties, right?

This isn't Days of Our Lives, brah.

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I am not the vendor! You can check out my website, jchawaii.com to see who I am. I am just very interested in SOT and I thought that the point of the SOT thread was for members to find out the truth. I see so many mistakes said about SOT and I have also been a victim of a surfboard forum where my competitors posed as disgruntled customers. It got real nasty.

I am also trying to poke holes in the SOT claims but when I do it with an open mind I can’t (so far). I mean what about the LloydH alcoholic situation? Isn’t that a huge red flag? I just want to be fair.

I am so sorry that I misunderstood how to post but I am always super busy and your site is pretty complex, which will be cool once I figure it out but I don’t like being accused of being the vendor. If I can get REAL proof of him being a crook then I will join in and stone him but I remember something about “let he who has no sin be the first to cast the stone”.

I love lively conversations and this situation has really got me curious.


Why don't you ask JJ and Megan to provide their broker statement


He trades in SIM his marketing videos are in market replay.

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Sot pops up in many of my trading searches on YouTube. I listen to youtube on my multiple drives out to the NorthShore.
I subscribe to various youtube channels like, futures.io (formerly BMT), sot, and others get listened to by me daily. I am going with my gut and will try to make a local trading buddy.

People going with Sot may be misled oar have their own edge.



One issue I saw/heard and didn't like is a video from last week. On CL which has been on a big trend down. The room used a 50tick stop loss on a head and shoulder pattern. Using 2 lots. They to my eyes took the breakout to the downside. Not saying it didn't work but a 50tick sL on CL?
Edit this is an amateur play, not saying I wouldn't take it in large part for scalp, but it has retail trader all over it.


Another related note is I thought they use profiling, either volume or market. What I saw in other videos was use of the footprint profile, Gomis type with some twist.
Who trading Profile uses a 50tick stop? On 2 lots. For fairness he was posting candlesticks in the video.
Volume profile from what I barely grasp tightens stops incredibly cause you see the order flow. So a 50tick sL is insane.

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I don't see any removed videos here
Joseph James - YouTube

Hey Pico,

How has your trading been lately?

Would you care to share your results as a member of School of Trade?

Perhaps a broker statement of your own to prove the validity of the organization?

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Quoting 
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Aloha

It will be interesting to see if you will man up about what my "WTF moment"was. Your senior moment perhaps? We all have them but it is wrong to try to hurt someones reputation by such a snarky comment....john

@JCHAWAII to follow up to my post above, he was apparently talking about a post I made in the cat thread a while ago.

Below is the random out of the blue PM I received, which made me go WTF.


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What are those "tiny Brontosaurus's"? I want one!

From his initial PM, I had no clue what he was referring to. But apparently my comment hurt his reputation. But I still believe his own actions have done more then my comment. Welcome to the land of ignore list. Adios.

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Thank you for your humble apology....jc

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There is no special JJ bars as you might be lead to believe....
Go here and get NT Renko which is very much what the JJ bar is..JJ and Megan are not being honest
... NT Renko Download
Save your money and go here for the set ups....
.https://futures.io/elite-trading-journals/30600-alpha-trading-method-ninjatrader-advanced-trade-management-jdneeman.html

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JJ brags about his famous JJ Bars and how special they are.

He charges 5k for his indicators and training, however here is JJ's chart and NT Renko bars side by side

so easy to see how JJ dupes poor traders to pay him 5k

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here is the video from School of Trade with their TF Trade





and here is my chart marked up with the levels

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Charts to use:
 Entry: 4-NTRenko
 Set-up: 3-multiple of entry chart
 Anchor Chart: 2-multiple of the set-up chart
 Example:
o Entry = 4 NT Renko chart
o Set-up = 12 (3-multiple of entry chart)
o Anchor = 24 (2-multiple of set-up chart)

Analyze the Set-up Chart:
 OHLC Levels (dotted lines) (GLOBEX-Session)
 Key Trend-lines from Swing-highs/lows
 Key Retracements from major swing-highs/lows
 Golden Ratio Extensions from ‘moving-average-cross’ and ‘wave-count reset’ areas

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how simple this program is and yet JJ and Megan will lead you to believe that their system is the very best out there.

here is my chart and then their You Tube video


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How to Define TREND:
Short-Term: wave-count reset with VOLUME on the entry chart
Medium-Term: Trend-lines on the Set-up chart
Long-Term: color of the ‘cloud’ on the SET-UP chart

How to Define RANGES:
Short-Term: Use the highs and lows of the set-up chart
Long-Term: Use the highs and lows of the anchor chart
Use the 27.2% Extension of the range to qualify a breakout of the range.

Entry Patterns to use:
Golden Wave-Pattern
Wave Pattern #1 & #2

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PM if you need further details and set ups
save yourselves 5k that SOT charges

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JCHAWAII, you are an obscene troll. I have not been active on these forums for some years, that part is correct. Nothing has changed from my original review of schooloftrade.com the review blog is located at jameswavereview.blogspot.co.uk. Your reference to me making an apology is a total lie and I never started a trade room, where is this room you refer to ? I would love to see it and speak to myself on it LOL! It does not exist, this post is a total lie and no doubt another from JJ himself or his minions. Big mike I urge you to check the background of JCHAWAII.



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This long thread on SOT is very, very interesting. i have attended a number of his afternoon reviews and have found him really interesting. He is definitely "on fire"...probably drinks 30 cups of coffee a day but I have back traded many of his huge trades on Replay and came up with similar numbers so I do know that AT LEAST the trades he SHOWS are legit. His DOM is white which indicates a live trading account, not SIM and he really knows his trend lines, S/R's and is funny. I kinda like the guy but I have been burned before by likable guys so I am super cautious. I was so ready to join that I put $5000 in a special account to send to him and decided to check out some reviews before I joined. I was horrified by what I saw and not just the negative comments on Big Mikes but EVERY other forum out there. So, I decided to further look into this and also try to see who started all this commotion.

It seems as though a guy called Llyod H or something from the UK started it and just went peddle to the metal with it. He has not responded to any inquiries by me and everything he did was quite a few years ago. Then on one site (probably shouldn't name it here, but it is pretty easy to find) I saw a letter by LlyodH, with his same handle, apologizing as part of his 12 step program for MAKING IT ALL UP! Seems he was a student and started his own Trade Room then was bent on destroying Joesph James. Llyod does not respond to any inquiries and hasn't been active here for quite awhile.

WOW!!! This is like "Days of Our Life" or something. I REALLY want to find out the TRUTH. I would hate to see a good man ruined nor would I want to see good people ruined by a bad man. There have been a lot of super positive comments posted and all the negative comments seem to be posted by a small group of people. The BOTTOM LINE would be is there anybody MAKING MONEY from SCHOOL OF TRADE? A lot of super successful people have "unique" personalities. I would like to find out the TRUTH here as I think personal assassination is a very serious thing and I have seen it before. Anybody remember the Mary McMartin pre school scandal?

Here is the apology from LloydH as printed in another forum;

lloydH
Read the truth here : www.schooloftrade.com & James Wave Review
lloydH
My apologies to Schooloftrade.com

I am a previous member of SchoolOfTrade.com, and I am now a competitor selling day trading education online.

The reason I am posting this today is because I am working through my 8th step in Alcoholics Anonymous, which requires me to make amends to people I have harmed in the past, and this is my sincere attempt to apologize for causing so much harm to SchoolOfTrade.com and anyone associated with that website.

In all honesty, SchoolOfTrade.com is where I learned to become a successful trader. I saw how much success they have at SchoolOfTrade.com and I thought that I could have more success with my website if I slandered their good name in this industry.

I know what I did was wrong, and I know what I have done has stolen thousands of clients, and millions of dollars from the owner of SchoolOfTrade.com.

I hope that SchoolOfTrade.com will forgive me for this horrible behavior, I am truly, truly sorry for causing them harm.


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JCHAWAII, you are an obscene troll. I have not been active on these forums for some years, that part is correct. Nothing has changed from my original review of schooloftrade.com the review blog is located at jameswavereview.blogspot.co.uk. Your reference to me making an apology is a total lie and I never started a trade room, where is this room you refer to ? I would love to see it and speak to myself on it LOL! It does not exist, this post is a total lie and no doubt another from JJ himself or his minions. Big mike I urge you to check the background of JCHAWAII.

Dera LlyodH

If you read my post it says I tried to reach you many times. I tried every way possible to reach you and sent you the originals posts from the other sites. . I did not use the names of those forums on Big Mikes because I figured that is against policy. I tried to reach you on Big Mikes, your personal site as well as a few others that had your name on them, INCLUDING your site pertaining to your lawsuit against SOT. You went MIA.

In my post here on Big Mikes, I said "seems". All of this was a long time ago and I had tried to reach you so many times. For me to not pass this information on would have been irresponsible. If it is not true then I apologize. I am not trying to defend SOT, and I am certainly not Joesph James. I am simply trying to find the truth in a very, very interesting situation, which has become boring by now.

I will send you a personal reply, so as not to mention the names of the sites that posted statement attributed to you.

Again if it is not true, then I apologize, but then I never said it was true and I never called you an obscene troll and I did make a very diligent attempt to reach you, long before I posted in Big Mikes.

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JCHAWAII,

My video review on you tube clearly provides a contact email address at the end and I receive lots of emails regarding my video and blog and I try to respond to every single one. I save every single email I receive regarding SOT. I do not recall receiving a email from you, what email address did you send a message from ?

You said "I tried to reach you on Big Mikes":
I have no private messages from you on this "Big Mikes" forum. I just double checked my message box and there is nothing from you. I wonder if Big Mike can help out and confirm if you have ever sent me a message on this forum and if so what has happened to it?

"your personal site" :
If you have posted a comment on my blog it will be there for everyone to see along with my response, what did you post, please provide a link to your comment if you have ever posted one?

"as well as a few others that had your name on them":

Which sites are you referring to , please provide links to the sites you have tried to contact me on, I assume your comments will still be there unless you have deleted them?

I have not been active on any these forums for sometime, I give you that. I do respond to any emails as and when they come to me and that includes and responses to posts and comments I have placed on forums like Big Mikes. This comment being an good example, I just received an email relating to the reply you have just posted to my comments made today. If you were trying every way possible to reach me then why did you not simply reply to one of the many posts I have made on this thread?

I welcome some answers, I find it very hard to believe you have ever tried to contact me. I also want to know where you have taken these complete lies you posted about me from? I never made any apology to schooloftrade and these comments are utterly libelous and defamatory on my character and whoever posted is no doubt in breach of the terms and conditions of this forum to start with. It is a total lie that I said "and I am now a competitor selling day trading education online". These are absolutely scandalous lies.

Big Mike please contact me directly regarding this comment because I believe there are new laws against this unmasking abusive trolls coming into affect now. I was furious to read this post today , having been scammed by SOT and JJ is bad enough but I will not stand for total lies being posted about me on the internet forums like this. I have taken screenshots of these posts and comments for my records.





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Dera LlyodH

If you read my post it says I tried to reach you many times. I tried every way possible to reach you and sent you the originals posts from the other sites. . I did not use the names of those forums on Big Mikes because I figured that is against policy. I tried to reach you on Big Mikes, your personal site as well as a few others that had your name on them, INCLUDING your site pertaining to your lawsuit against SOT. You went MIA.

In my post here on Big Mikes, I said "seems". All of this was a long time ago and I had tried to reach you so many times. For me to not pass this information on would have been irresponsible. If it is not true then I apologize. I am not trying to defend SOT, and I am certainly not Joesph James. I am simply trying to find the truth in a very, very interesting situation, which has become boring by now.

I will send you a personal reply, so as not to mention the names of the sites that posted statement attributed to you.

Again if it is not true, then I apologize, but then I never said it was true and I never called you an obscene troll and I did make a very diligent attempt to reach you, long before I posted in Big Mikes.


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I think you already boring and intrusive with their stories against SOT. It is time to start to think about something else. Just my advice.




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JCHAWAII,

My video review on you tube clearly provides a contact email address at the end and I receive lots of emails regarding my video and blog and I try to respond to every single one. I save every single email I receive regarding SOT. I do not recall receiving a email from you, what email address did you send a message from ?

You said "I tried to reach you on Big Mikes":
I have no private messages from you on this "Big Mikes" forum. I just double checked my message box and there is nothing from you. I wonder if Big Mike can help out and confirm if you have ever sent me a message on this forum and if so what has happened to it?

"your personal site" :
If you have posted a comment on my blog it will be there for everyone to see along with my response, what did you post, please provide a link to your comment if you have ever posted one?

"as well as a few others that had your name on them":

Which sites are you referring to , please provide links to the sites you have tried to contact me on, I assume your comments will still be there unless you have deleted them?

I have not been active on any these forums for sometime, I give you that. I do respond to any emails as and when they come to me and that includes and responses to posts and comments I have placed on forums like Big Mikes. This comment being an good example, I just received an email relating to the reply you have just posted to my comments made today. If you were trying every way possible to reach me then why did you not simply reply to one of the many posts I have made on this thread?

I welcome some answers, I find it very hard to believe you have ever tried to contact me. I also want to know where you have taken these complete lies you posted about me from? I never made any apology to schooloftrade and these comments are utterly libelous and defamatory on my character and whoever posted is no doubt in breach of the terms and conditions of this forum to start with. It is a total lie that I said "and I am now a competitor selling day trading education online". These are absolutely scandalous lies.

Big Mike please contact me directly regarding this comment because I believe there are new laws against this unmasking abusive trolls coming into affect now. I was furious to read this post today , having been scammed by SOT and JJ is bad enough but I will not stand for total lies being posted about me on the internet forums like this. I have taken screenshots of these posts and comments for my records.


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Guys

I have gone through the rounds with JJ and Megan and they have fabricated their profit and loss spreadsheet to get new traders to join them

All their videos are in Market replay and JJ trades in SIM

I have asked JJ to prove it to, in regards to my findings and more importantly it is not true and that he runs an ethical business.......

Still awaiting and why and how could he as its all like another snake oil vendor tell the lies to make a living......

The more people we expose the better the forum will be and we will be able to save potential traders from giving away their hard earned money to snake oil salesmen to enjoy their lives

They will not think twice to lie through their teeth to make a dollar

JJ and Megan are very good at what they do and that is fabricate their statements and dupe poor traders into their program
SOT is not a system that will make a trader successful

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janifilimon, if someone posted complete lies about you on this forum, called you an alcoholic, would you respond to them or just leave them there without comment?

I started this thread with an honorable intention, that being to try and prevent SOT from harming others like they harmed me, there is nothing boring or intrusive about an honorable intention, in my opinion.
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Ok, so I found these comments on investimonials.com which is little surprise, this site is crammed full of comments from JJ about how great he is. I have tried in the past complaining to investimonials.com to try and get them to moderate in some way what appears on their site but the seem completely uninterested.

Interestingly when I tried to login to my investimonials.com account I discover my password has been changed. Looks to me like my investimonials.com account has been hacked and this is how my testimonial has been updated with that whole bunch of lies. I have sent a message to investimonials.com to try and get to the bottom of who has done this. It find it truly unbelievable the lengths this guy will go to in order to keep this dirty scam of his alive. I am not sure what new laws he has broken by hacking into my account and posting false statements against me in my name but I would hope they are criminal in nature and this guys gets arrested and put where he belongs, behind bars.


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Dera LlyodH

If you read my post it says I tried to reach you many times. I tried every way possible to reach you and sent you the originals posts from the other sites. . I did not use the names of those forums on Big Mikes because I figured that is against policy. I tried to reach you on Big Mikes, your personal site as well as a few others that had your name on them, INCLUDING your site pertaining to your lawsuit against SOT. You went MIA.

In my post here on Big Mikes, I said "seems". All of this was a long time ago and I had tried to reach you so many times. For me to not pass this information on would have been irresponsible. If it is not true then I apologize. I am not trying to defend SOT, and I am certainly not Joesph James. I am simply trying to find the truth in a very, very interesting situation, which has become boring by now.

I will send you a personal reply, so as not to mention the names of the sites that posted statement attributed to you.

Again if it is not true, then I apologize, but then I never said it was true and I never called you an obscene troll and I did make a very diligent attempt to reach you, long before I posted in Big Mikes.


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I started this thread with an honorable intention, that being to try and prevent SOT from harming others like they harmed me, there is nothing boring or intrusive about an honorable intention, in my opinion.

I agree, your intentions are honourable. In the past (on this very forum) I myself have tried to prevent new traders from falling into the clutches of some very rotten people.

If you Google "review of school of trade" - this thread is the first hit. So I can only hope that people out there are doing their research, stumble on this thread and give SoT a very big swerve.

At the end of the day, the only person that can help 'you' trade is, well 'you'.

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Well..!! I have never come across someone with such huge collection of negative reviews on the internet on every blog and forum...

I am sure market is one place where we see a lot more failures than success stories and 8 of 10 people show their frustration against the service they opted.. Anyway, I stumbled upon this forum and then I googled JJ and went through most of his YouTube videos... I read on other forums that he trades in sim in his youtube videos.
Now, I gotta say that all his videos have a great deed of information, especially the trades and they all genuinely touch his targets... The thing is if it touches on Sim, I am sure it will be a success on Live too... The only difference between trading on live and sim is the trading mindset and the fills. Well...!! With fills, if we are applying his strategy, we can be a bit more conservative with the approach and place the targets a bit closer...
Although, he is accused of trading on Sim, a lot of his videos have really good techniques that logically workout really well... I am not saying he is anything and someone should pay for his services... But I am telling that it is worth going through his videos because a lot of them have great techniques.. Take time in going through those free stuff, and go through a lot of history and try to validate his trades from the historicals and forward test... Most of the times, his trades are right on time at the breakout and it's unbelievable but I have seen a few other people do that too... I am not saying that he is genuine or he is fraud... I am just saying he has posted some stuff that are really good and can be used to improve....
Anyway, I dont follow a certain mentor per se, but I do love to keep myself updated wit these two people who I have found out to be transparently genuine... Al Brooks and Chris Capre.... I only and only watch whats posted on their youtube pages and pickup the ideas and nothing else...

Anyway, trading is something we learn by doing and it's similar to archery... You gotta take shots at the target and keep aiming and aiming until you start hitting them... Someone can't just tell you to move left or right and make you aim right... So, that's that...!!

Good luck trading everyone...

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I started this thread with an honorable intention, that being to try and prevent SOT from harming others like they harmed me, there is nothing boring or intrusive about an honorable intention, in my opinion.

Ummm, sorry but I started this thread!

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I personally feel totally vindicated by this review that i have raised my concerns in the manner with which JJ and Megan ran this scam and sometimes i was seen and described as obsessive.

Thank you Emmet Moore for a thorough and with facts a review that should save a lot of people from pouring their hard earned money for that glimpse of Day Trading Dream.

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I personally feel totally vindicated by this review that i have raised my concerns in the manner with which JJ and Megan ran this scam and sometimes i was seen and described as obsessive.

Thank you Emmet Moore for a thorough and with facts a review that should save a lot of people from pouring their hard earned money for that glimpse of Day Trading Dream.

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The truth is always there. It never goes away.

Eventually, it bubbles up to the surface for all to see. Isn't it amazing that all Emmett requests is actual end of month redacted trading statements. A very simple fix for real legit vendors.

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We need to stop JJ and Megan James as they have no regard to the hurt and pain they are inflicting on people as they are more than happy to take their money and offer nothing in return apart from false promise.

Lets team up and lay our complaints.

How do we get the CFTC to act on this? Quite simply, enough people need to immediately begin to fill out the following complaint form with the CFTC.

The form only takes a few minutes to complete. After the form is submitted, approximately 10 to 14 days later, you will be contacted by a lawyer that works in the enforcement division. They will interview you, the process takes only a few minutes. They will then have you forward any and all pertinent information to their mailing address.

Once you read about the numerous people who have been duped by this 2 people, we must act and get rid of people like JJ and Megan James from trading world.

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We need to stop JJ and Megan James as they have no regard to the hurt and pain they are inflicting on people as they are more than happy to take their money and offer nothing in return apart from false promise.

Lets team up and lay our complaints.

How do we get the CFTC to act on this? Quite simply, enough people need to immediately begin to fill out the following complaint form with the CFTC.

The form only takes a few minutes to complete. After the form is submitted, approximately 10 to 14 days later, you will be contacted by a lawyer that works in the enforcement division. They will interview you, the process takes only a few minutes. They will then have you forward any and all pertinent information to their mailing address.

Once you read about the numerous people who have been duped by this 2 people, we must act and get rid of people like JJ and Megan James from trading world.

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I (like many) put in a complaint about eminitradingschool and although it took a long time, justice was served in the end. The CFTC are slow and they have limited resources but if they can gather enough evidence, they will take action.



https://www.cftc.gov/idc/groups/public/@lrenforcementactions/documents/legalpleading/enfgramaleguicmplt101915.pdf

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I submitted a complaint against School of Trade / Joseph James yesterday.

My only regret is not having more of his fabricated trade results to attach to the complaint.

If you have also been duped by this guy, you should take 10 minutes and complete the form.

I wanted to share that so if anyone else reading this is stuck in the "whatever its not worth it" mindset they can hopefully realize it is worth it, and to sack up, because you are not alone.

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On 17th November 2014 i wrote that SOT and JJ are nothing but a SCAM and posted the PnL report that Megan sent me which was totally fabricated.

Have a look at post #144 and there is a Excel spreadsheet that i am sure you can use in your complaint.

We need lot more complaints as we need to protect innocent people from JJ and Megan James.

Really appreciate you taking time to submit your complaint through.

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I submitted a complaint against School of Trade / Joseph James yesterday.

My only regret is not having more of his fabricated trade results to attach to the complaint.

If you have also been duped by this guy, you should take 10 minutes and complete the form.

I wanted to share that so if anyone else reading this is stuck in the "whatever its not worth it" mindset they can hopefully realize it is worth it, and to sack up, because you are not alone.


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They say, "A picture is worth a thousand words." JJ apparently believes he is untouchable with such brash displays.

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I think we all knew the answer for a long time, but after all these years of raking in suckers....

CFTC Charges California Residents Joseph Dufresne, Megan Renkow, and Their Company, United Business Servicing, Inc., Doing Business as Schooloftrade.Com, with Fraudulently Marketing Commodity Futures Trading Strategies and Systems


CFTC Charges California Residents Joseph Dufresne, Megan Renkow, and Their Company, United Business Servicing, Inc., Doing Business as Schooloftrade.Com, with Fraudulently Marketing Commodity Futures Trading Strategies and Systems

Washington, DC - The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) filed a civil anti-fraud enforcement action in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California charging Defendants Joseph Dufresne (a/k/a Joseph James) and Megan Renkow (a/k/a Megan James), both of Palos Verdes Estates, California, and their company, United Business Servicing, Inc. (UBS), doing business as SchoolofTrade.com (SoT), with fraudulently marketing commodity futures trading strategies and systems.

The CFTC Complaint alleges that from at least October 2011 through the present, Defendants, in the course of selling memberships in SoT, have engaged in a systemic pattern of false statements and omissions concerning: a) the professional experience and trading success of Dufresne; b) the profitability and performance record of SoT’s trading strategies and systems; and c) the actual nature of the trading activity purporting to take place during SoT’s “Live Trade Room.” The CFTC’s Complaint also alleges that Defendants failed to display prominently in their solicitation material certain required disclosure statements concerning simulated or hypothetical trading results and client testimonials. Defendants sold at least 877 memberships in SoT and took in more than $2.7 million during the period charged in the CFTC’s Complaint.

Specifically, the CFTC alleges that Defendants have: 1) portrayed Dufresne as a successful professional trader with years of experience and numerous awards and recognitions when, in fact, Dufresne has little experience, has never been professionally recognized, and has never been a profitable trader; 2) touted the profitability of SoT’s strategies and systems and claimed hundreds of thousands of dollars in trading profits earned every year, when, in fact, none of the Defendants’ accounts has ever been profitable; and 3) promoted SoT’s “Live Trade Room” in which they purport to make profitable trades on live accounts in real time when, in fact, none of the trades called or profits claimed to have been made in the “Live Trade Room” as set forth in the Complaint can be found in any of Defendants’ accounts.

Additionally, the Complaint alleges that Defendants have failed to prominently display in their various solicitation materials certain language, required pursuant to CFTC Regulations, stating that their results are based on simulated or hypothetical performance results and do not represent actual trading.

In its continuing litigation, the CFTC seeks restitution to defrauded clients, disgorgement of ill-gotten gains, a civil monetary penalty, permanent registration and trading bans, and a permanent injunction against future violations of federal commodities laws and regulations, as charged.

CFTC Division of Enforcement staff members responsible for this case are Erica Bodin, Maura Viehmeyer, Alan Edelman, James H. Holl III, Michael Solinsky, and Rick Glaser.

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The CFTC has issued several customer protection Fraud Advisories that provide the warning signs of fraud, including an Advisory on Commodity Trading Systems Sold on the Internet. The CFTC has seen an increase in websites that fraudulently promote commodity trading systems and advisory services, and the information in this Advisory is designed to help customers identify this potential swindle.

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Finally justice and the real truth

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There it is.

Someone finally tagged this fake. Too bad it took so long.

One reason trading profitably is a challenge is because there are a lot of charlatans masquerading as know it all teachers. It takes a while to separate the wheat from the chaff.

This guy had a lot of videos on the web and obviously scammed a lot of people..... $2.7 million worth at least. Wonder how many millions of dollars these people lost.

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There it is.

Someone finally tagged this fake. Too bad it took so long.

One reason trading profitably is a challenge is because there are a lot of charlatans masquerading as know it all teachers. It takes a while to separate the wheat from the chaff.

This guy had a lot of videos on the web and obviously scammed a lot of people..... $2.7 million worth at least. Wonder how many millions of dollars these people lost.

The thing is, most of what is out there is chaff. Emmett over at Trading Schools is doing a great job of flushing some of these grifters out.

$2.7 million is quite the income for not trading a dime...

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The thing is, most of what is out there is chaff. Emmett over at Trading Schools is doing a great job of flushing some of these grifters out.

$2.7 million is quite the income for not trading a dime...

I agree. I'm not sure even 1% of the stuff out there is legit.

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I also donated to their cause, then i found out that the stuff they "teach" can be found in the first trading book, or free over the internet, not to put them down, everybody can create a product and sell it, but theirs absolutely did not cost the money they are charging for it. But a new trader would never know that..

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I also donated to their cause, then i found out that the stuff they "teach" can be found in the first trading book, or free over the internet, not to put them down, everybody can create a product and sell it, but theirs absolutely did not cost the money they are charging for it. But a new trader would never know that..

A new trader should be using the reviews on this site, including this six year old thread, to make informed decisions.

In this case, it was "RUN" six years ago...

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@NinjaTrader...they did not touch this guy as they must have known his shady past and other information that they might have gotten.

So there is a plus for @NinjaTrader.


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In this case, it was "RUN" six years ago...

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@NinjaTrader...they did not touch this guy as they must have known his shady past and other information that they might have gotten.

So there is a plus for @NinjaTrader.


Sharmas

It would be nice however they have never shown any discretion in vetting vendors. Once given, they do not police it would seem either.

If you click on the NT ecosystem link in Ninjatrader.com you now get a disclaimer warning saying none of this is our fault etc. and redirected to Trading Education | Indicators & Add-Ons | NinjaTrader Ecosystem

There was a guy recently from India who got banned here, he was soliciting sizeable amounts of Rupees from Indian investors on his website touting his Ecosystem creds and had no knowlege. He was just scammer and utterly obvious trying to figure out how to pass TST and not even doing TST just faking PnL results. He even had ripoff report complaints and yet.. he´s in here Trading Educators | Education Partners | NinjaTrader Ecosystem

Ninjatrader via ninjatraderecosystem are a passive enabler of disreputable scammers not a cure for them in my opinion.

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TradingSchools review is out, especially interesting is the chapter about Ninja Trader ecosystem and I completely agree, they hide behind disclaimer while scammers direct sheep to their brokerage and generate platform sales. I noticed there NT webinar on 13th, why not to ask them publicly?

http://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/school-trade-sideways-markets-update/

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TradingSchools review is out, especially interesting is the chapter about Ninja Trader ecosystem and I completely agree, they hide behind disclaimer while scammers direct sheep to their brokerage and generate platform sales. I noticed there NT webinar on 13th, why not to ask them publicly?

http://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/school-trade-sideways-markets-update/

I have a dim memory.. Ninjatrader did address this before in another thread? Something about if they receive complaints themselves or see a CFTC complaint etc. they would act? yeah, thats a great help. Ninjatrader might add a complain about a vendor form or email address then on their site?

Trading schools is itself freakin' dodgy, Emmett is highly selective on reviews. His turnaround on MES recently.. Exploiters depend on building trust (my heart bleeds for his story of *redemption) mix some profitable lies in with truth. The source of the information does matter IMO.

Realistically there is buyer beware here. Mike is right, though its very confusing starting off, asking here on FIO about a vendor will give a better idea than anywhere even if still not perfect. For example the school I started learning with is on the FIO naughty list to a degree and I got good value for my money with them so.. what can you do.

Those who can sift deceit from truth will likely be good traders (put the work into every decision) and those who don't (within reason) will lose money either way?

*if you want to redeem yourself, become a florist after leaving prison (for federal Ponzi scheme) and make people happy every day. Its very clear he can't help himself, scorpion and the frog comes to mind.


edit: ahha I found it. Sharmas was on the case.

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Trading schools is itself freakin' dodgy, Emmett is highly selective on reviews. His turnaround on MES recently.. Exploiters depend on building trust (my heart bleeds for his story of *redemption) mix some profitable lies in with truth. The source of the information does matter IMO.

I am not sure I would put Emmett in the "freakin' dodgy" category. Colourful yes, freakin’ dodgy, probably not.

Like any review you see on FIO, it is up to you to do your own due diligence. Some reviews of vendors that get posted on FIO are also “freakin’ dodgy”

This posts for example about MT Predictor:






Obvious all shill reviews via MTPredictor themselves.

Emmett has at the very least got people talking and is beginning to pry open the lid on the dark side of this industry. A side we all know exists and have probably been duped by at some point or another.

I don’t believe his criteria of requesting that the vendor provide proof of profitability is dodgy. Especially when you get vendors like Back To The Future Trading quoting that they have 100% leading indicators that tell you when to be ready to trade days and hours before a setup - but they can't and won't provide proof they actually trade themselves.

We can agree to disagree, but I don't believe what Emmett is doing is inherently 'bad'.

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We can agree to disagree, but I don't believe what Emmett is doing is inherently 'bad'.

I have no dog in the fight other than I read him and his actions and motives very differently. I will say I very very thoroughly researched his background last year but I will not make false equivalency of everyone's judgement is just as valid etc etc.

Why did I do this research? He tried to lean on an acquaintance. I would LOVE to explain it in detail but my friend does not want his good name dragged through the mud by association (sensibly). Lets just say that if you have resources to be legally threatening he won't write a review (allegedly).

He is not a good guy from what I've seen and been told. He still lies and deceives for his financial gain (and narcissism) using the ruse of being poacher turned gamekeeper and trying to trick people by being open about his past. He has no choice, he knows he would be found out and his father would suffer (they have the same name). For me, and I have old fashioned standards, its fruit of a poisoned tree as he is not repentant and still scheming.

But its my opinion. No argument with you JonnyBoy. I don't want to be seen as contrary on this, just I feel morally obliged to be tough here.

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I have no dog in the fight other than I read him and his actions and motives very differently. I will say I very very thoroughly researched his background last year but I will not make false equivalency of everyone's judgement is just as valid etc etc.

Why did I do this research? He tried to lean on an acquaintance. I would LOVE to explain it in detail but my friend does not want his good name dragged through the mud by association (sensibly). Lets just say that if you have resources to be legally threatening he won't write a review (allegedly).

He is not a good guy from what I've seen and been told. He still lies and deceives for his financial gain (and narcissism) using the ruse of being poacher turned gamekeeper and trying to trick people by being open about his past. He has no choice, he knows he would be found out and his father would suffer (they have the same name). For me, and I have old fashioned standards, its fruit of a poisoned tree as he is not repentant and still scheming.

But its my opinion. No argument with you JohnnyBoy.

Agreed. No argument taken.

I appreciate your response. There are always two sides to every story. I try not to judge people too quicky but I really hate being duped.

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I noticed there NT webinar on 13th, why not to ask them publicly?

Consider it asked. Although my webinar is focused on NinjaTrader 8, I will happily address vendors listed in the NinjaTrader Ecosystem, how they are vetted, what we are doing to improve the vetting process and what the community can do to help.


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Trading schools is itself freakin' dodgy, Emmett is highly selective on reviews. His turnaround on MES recently.. Exploiters depend on building trust (my heart bleeds for his story of *redemption) mix some profitable lies in with truth. The source of the information does matter IMO.

There are a lot of inaccurate statements about NinjaTrader being construed as facts in various articles published at tradingschools. Emmet, I know you are listening…Your website is void of your contact information. Can you kindly reach out to us at platformsupport@ninjatrader.com, reference this post attention to John. We want to ensure that what you write about us is accurate.

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