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Your feedback on these third-party automated trading systems

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Your feedback on these third-party automated trading systems

Hello folks,

I want to explore third-party automated trading systems and I would like to know your feedback before I decide to pay such large startup cost.

I have realized that Intraday Futures Vendors are quite expensive but, as you know, more expensive would be to select a firm that is selling smoke.


First, I am looking for a VPS:



Second, third party strategy that I am researching (order by cost)



Any feedback here will be greatly valuable. I could also share my future steps that can beneficial to all.

If you have other places that provide automatic intraday futures trading I can take a look.

Thanks


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Shark indicators are tools, not system, trade the plan not automated sytem and Vinny is scam. I remember I went through Rios sales pitch where he was selling renamed floor pivots and dynamic support resistance lines for 2000$, thats a big red flag, no idea about his auto sytem though.


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Hello folks,

I want to explore third-party automated trading systems and I would like to know your feedback before I decide to pay such large startup cost.

I have realized that Intraday Futures Vendors are quite expensive but, as you know, more expensive would be to select a firm that is selling smoke.


First, I am looking for a VPS:



Second, third party strategy that I am researching (order by cost)



Any feedback here will be greatly valuable. I could also share my future steps that can beneficial to all.

If you have other places that provide automatic intraday futures trading I can take a look.

Thanks


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Rios is posting a trackrecord on RiosQuant Performance Strategy Review

I cant say much about the others...

@dk27 thanks for your feedback regading scams - can you give more info?


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Shark indicators are tools, not system, trade the plan not automated sytem and Vinny is scam. I remember I went through Rios sales pitch where he was selling renamed floor pivots and dynamic support resistance lines for 2000$, thats a big red flag, no idea about his auto sytem though.


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Rios is posting a trackrecord on RiosQuant Performance Strategy Review

I cant say much about the others...

@dk27 thanks for your feedback regading scams - can you give more info?

Hi Minds, I saw your quote regarding newsletters in the other question.

Dk27, yea could you please give us more information about them? Thanks!!

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Thanks @dk27

I was reading a post about your comments. Thanks

https://futures.io/trading-reviews-vendors/39430-vinny-e-mini-free-live-trade-room.html





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Shark indicators are tools, not system, trade the plan not automated sytem and Vinny is scam. I remember I went through Rios sales pitch where he was selling renamed floor pivots and dynamic support resistance lines for 2000$, thats a big red flag, no idea about his auto sytem though.


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Not only that, he also faked his affilation with futures.io in his youtube channel, there is thread about it somewhere.


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There's a video from Stage Five which features iSystems - exclusively automated systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1VDAeTsBVg

On the ones that you posted, I would suggest that you try to reverse engineer some of their charts and indicators - I think all those indicators are available right here at Futures.io. I'm not suggesting that there's anything bad about these vendors (I don't know any of them). However, it's worthwhile trying to setup what they're doing on your own platform and see if you can figure out whether there's something interesting there for your style of trading. For instance, the Ichimoku setup is fairly straight forward. Setup a chart and analyze the trades they are taking.

As for mentors, there's a thread here by Big Mike which is worth reading: https://futures.io/trading-reviews-vendors/44772-do-you-believe-trading-mentors.html?44772=#post683021

Mentors are fine - just remember that it's you who will do all the heavy lifting - which means a lot of screen time, research and development of your own trading setups and style.

You'll learn a lot by reverse engineering interesting trade setups. I do it all the time when I come across traders who post charts and trades. This business is a problem solving game. No one has a perfect holy grail. But there are people who are good at what they do and it's certainly worthwhile to study them.

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First, I am looking for a VPS:

Most likely I will go with the option of 80USD/month for a Chicago server with http://www.speedytradingservers.com/

There's lots of options out there that range from the very cheap to super expensive (co-located dedicated servers). I don't know Sam (aka speedy traders) personally but am impressed with all his posts here and other places and know others that have very good things to say about him.

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Second, third party strategy that I am researching (order by cost)

Kevin Davey has a great book and one day course that would probably be a much better use of your hard earned money
@kevinkdog
https://futures.io/trading-reviews-vendors/26335-kj-trading-systems-kevin-davey-ask-me-anything-ask-me-anything.html
https://kjtradingsystems.com/

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