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 harryguy 
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I have been discussing Larry Williams with a friend lately. Years ago we read his book "How I Made a Million Dollars...last year...trading commodities" and recently we looked at his website. I subscribed to LarryTV for the heck of it. We are curious about the online courses he offers. We would be willing to spend $250 for the level one course but the $1700 for level two doesn't interest us. Does the introductory level one course offer anything more than his books do?

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Here is my take on these courses. No one can teach you to trade successfully. You have to do it yourself. Put the time in. In the beginning you dont wont even know what and where to put the time in. As time goes you will figure it out.


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I have been discussing Larry Williams with a friend lately. Years ago we read his book "How I Made a Million Dollars...last year...trading commodities" and recently we looked at his website. I subscribed to LarryTV for the heck of it. We are curious about the online courses he offers. We would be willing to spend $250 for the level one course but the $1700 for level two doesn't interest us. Does the introductory level one course offer anything more than his books do?


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Larry is something of a miracle. At the same time he has something for everyone, he also is basically offering nothing for everybody.

I'm actually astonished Williams is still active. Guys like him and Jake Bernstein are relics from the 80's, before the internet and daytrading for the masses...

At least Ken Roberts had the decency to retire when the game was up.

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Here is my take on these courses. No one can teach you to trade successfully. You have to do it yourself. Put the time in. In the beginning you dont wont even know what and where to put the time in. As time goes you will figure it out.

I understand your pessimism but I fail to comprehend what you are trying to convey. I'm just asking if his introductory course is a repeat of his books. Have you taken the course?

20 years ago I was introduced to the futures markets by a mailer from Ken Roberts. Yes I bought the course. It was more of a motivational course than a trading course though. It led me to pursue all sorts of avenues of market analysis. During that time I read Larry's book and while I don't believe that he can teach me to be a flawless trader, I do believe that he can bring factors to my attention that I had never considered. That's all I'm looking for and that's why I'm not interested in the "advanced" courses for thousands of dollars.

Is there anyone here that has taken the level one course and also read his books?

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Larry is something of a miracle. At the same time he has something for everyone, he also is basically offering nothing for everybody.

I'm actually astonished Williams is still active. Guys like him and Jake Bernstein are relics from the 80's, before the internet and daytrading for the masses...

At least Ken Roberts had the decency to retire when the game was up.


I don't think he actually retired from selling courses, he just dropped the commodities part. Now he is purely a motivational coach.

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Thanks for making it clear on what you are looking for. No, I have not taken his course. I am certainly pessimistic on what he can teach to make me a better trader.

Also, be advised of this guy's background, of course take all this with a grain of salt.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/celebrity-market-guru-arrested-20060523-gdnlgd.html

https://www.schoolofgann.com/frauds.aspx


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I understand your pessimism but I fail to comprehend what you are trying to convey. I'm just asking if his introductory course is a repeat of his books. Have you taken the course?

20 years ago I was introduced to the futures markets by a mailer from Ken Roberts. Yes I bought the course. It was more of a motivational course than a trading course though. It led me to pursue all sorts of avenues of market analysis. During that time I read Larry's book and while I don't believe that he can teach me to be a flawless trader, I do believe that he can bring factors to my attention that I had never considered. That's all I'm looking for and that's why I'm not interested in the "advanced" courses for thousands of dollars.

Is there anyone here that has taken the level one course and also read his books?


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Let my clarify: I am unaware what is in Larry's specific books you are considering purchasing. I personally won't waste my time or money on them. Just my opinion. What you do with yours is your business.

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I don't think he actually retired from selling courses, he just dropped the commodities part. Now he is purely a motivational coach.

I stand corrected: Ken Roberts didn't actually "retire". Roberts merely abandoned hawking his commodities courses under pressure from the FTC. I'm sure the Ken Roberts motivational courses are really a good use of time and money...

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on the subject of ole LW, I'm looking for easylanguage code for his indicators. When I have searched the forum the promising threads lead me to an error page. Anyone know where I can find code for ProGo, Willtrend, his COT indicators, etc?

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Let my clarify: I am unaware what is in Larry's specific books you are considering purchasing. I personally won't waste my time or money on them. Just my opinion. What you do with yours is your business.

Is there a book or an author in Commodities you would suggest reading?

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Is there a book or an author in Commodities you would suggest reading?

I recommend Larry Connors's "High Probability ETF Trading". Although this book is written with ETFs in mind for the systems, the RSI and 200 period SMA principles can be applied to other time frames. I have found it particularly effective to determine whether or not an index is overbought/oversold using daily time frames as discussed by Connors, and use this to determine my intraday trading context. For example, the NASDAQ ETF QQQ showed an overbought 3-day RSI exceeding 95 on Monday, and the NQ has been down as much as 200 points since Monday's close. No guarantees, but having a multi-day context of the price action does contribute perspective towards intraday risks you should, and just as importantly, should not consider. As of the close today, the QQQ 3-day RSI is at about 5, indicating that it is oversold. This indicates a bullish intraday bias going into tomorrow since the market is currently trading above the 200-day SMA. However, be warned that markets can remain in an Overbought or Oversold condition for several days during a trend change. At the very least, if you absolutely insist on catch "falling knives", at least wait until the 3-day RSI is under 5, and for goodness sake not when the RSI is over 90...

As a follow-on, I found Connors's recent effort "Buy the Fear, Sell the Greed" interesting, especially the discussion on the VXX.

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don't mean to hijack this thread but does anyone have any ideas how one could backtest a different version of the darlings of the dow that Williams and others tout ? What is a good piece of software that is easy to use? I have his current stock course and one of the methods is reported to average 20% a year.....well, I'd like to find out if it's true......I don't have his books but the stock course seems well done.........

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don't mean to hijack this thread but does anyone have any ideas how one could backtest a different version of the darlings of the dow that Williams and others tout ? What is a good piece of software that is easy to use? I have his current stock course and one of the methods is reported to average 20% a year.....well, I'd like to find out if it's true......I don't have his books but the stock course seems well done.........

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I think TradeStation is the software that has the most Larry Williams tools. I have read his books that focused on futures and he is very forthcoming about how his proprietary indicators are built. But some of the indicators (like sentiment) are built on data that he collects himself and isn't available anywhere else. So you must acquire access to his licensed indicators through trading platforms that he works with. After watching Larry TV I believe that he uses two different software platforms to find seasonal patterns, Trade navigator and timing solutions.

Finding the "darlings of the dow" would be easy using a bloomberg terminal. But if that is too expensive you should check out Koyfinhttps://www.koyfin.com/home. It's free website that is trying to mimic bloomberg. It's definitely NOT a bloomberg terminal but it has some great features that are very helpful and it's geared towards equities trading. One feature is direct access to a snapshot of fundamental financial reports.

As for timing your entries you would have to go with tradenavigator/timing solutions. Or find a data source and do it in excel.....

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on the subject of ole LW, I'm looking for easylanguage code for his indicators. When I have searched the forum the promising threads lead me to an error page. Anyone know where I can find code for ProGo, Willtrend, his COT indicators, etc?



For what platform? I have progo and relative COT


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I think TradeStation is the software that has the most Larry Williams tools

I think TradeNavigator has it as well.

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