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(1) What is our max contract size on the 25k account and the 10k?

(2) Is Finamark a Tradovate skin/white label?

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1) Depends on what you are trading. You would be tied to the exchange maintenance margin. So whatever you can trade with that margin and your balance.

2) No it's not Tradovate. It's a new platform that will be released to retail soon, for now it's only available to Earn2Trade customers.

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Regarding the Gauntlet - what is your policy on copying the trades of one trader in another person's account, for instance, a family member's account? Will both accounts get the same offer after completing the Gauntlet?

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Regarding the Gauntlet - what is your policy on copying the trades of one trader in another person's account, for instance, a family member's account? Will both accounts get the same offer after completing the Gauntlet?

Hey! We don't have any strict policies against trade copying, using algorithms or whatever legal tools enable you to trade profitably. Regarding the offers, if the trading plans were the same, and the trades executed were exactly the same, there is no reason to believe the offer wouldn't be the same as well.

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My experience with the Gauntlet and company was not good, it only seemed good when I was asking questions before I paid them.

First of all the one good part was getting a discount code as an elite member here, but still remains THE HIGHEST PRICED funded simulator trial company.

Their provided simulator platform (Finamark) is absolutely horrible. I had to use it a few times due to other platform issues and it was atrocious especially since it caused my final stop out trade that slipped me +1 tick outside of my loss limit and they would not do a reset at the discount price. I was wanting to reset it earlier before my last trade but there was no direct link or button to it on their website. And so, by failing to notify them (in writing) for a half-price reset.They said I'd have to pay the full $349 price. This really felt like greedy behavior for them to collect extra money . I mean seriously, what is the difference...it's the same "reset" on their end! They really want your money. I see that my elite members code doesn't work anymore for trying it out again by the way.

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My experience with the Gauntlet and company was not good, it only seemed good when I was asking questions before I paid them.

First of all the one good part was getting a discount code as an elite member here, but still remains THE HIGHEST PRICED funded simulator trial company.

Their provided simulator platform (Finamark) is absolutely horrible. I had to use it a few times due to other platform issues and it was atrocious especially since it caused my final stop out trade that slipped me +1 tick outside of my loss limit and they would not do a reset at the discount price. I was wanting to reset it earlier before my last trade but there was no direct link or button to it on their website. And so, by failing to notify them (in writing) for a half-price reset.They said I'd have to pay the full $349 price. This really felt like greedy behavior for them to collect extra money . I mean seriously, what is the difference...it's the same "reset" on their end! They really want your money. I see that my elite members code doesn't work anymore for trying it out again by the way.

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to give everyone your feedback about the experience you had with us. We're sorry you had a bad experience with the Gauntlet and using the Finamark program, and we're sorry that it led you to such conclusions about our company.

We went through your customer support chats and they honestly looked very good. It seemed that you wanted to try many different platforms, and we were happy to help out wherever we could. I can see you were set on Multicharts and we were actually on the way to helping you with the workaround when you told us instead you had settled on Finamark.

We actually didn't have any further interaction with you until your account dipped below the 10% drawdown threshold. You wanted to reset your account but you had already dipped below the drawdown requirement. You never argued at that time that Finamark was responsible for your slippage, but now you attribute this "slippage" to the Finamark platform. However, the Finamark platform doesn't control slippage and it was not responsible for your trading going +1 tick outside of your loss limit.

It's true that we only offer resets if you request one before getting stopped out by one of our two rules. The reset price and rules are listed on our site; they are not hidden. Regardless, you didn't ask for a discount at the reset price. You asked for 50% off of your Futures.io discount price which would've been $130.88. That was difficult for us to provide you because our company also has costs to cover. And yes, Earn2Trade does make money on examination fees, and its education material and that is the business model of Earn2Trade. Helios makes money on recruiting excellent traders. This is how the business works, we don't think it's greedy and we're not ashamed of the way we try to make money by providing candidates with a great opportunity to get funded.

The vast majority of Gauntlet examinations are spread over three calendar months. Rithmic charges $25.00/month for the platform and the exchange fees are $5.00/month for each one you choose. These costs are covered inside of your Gauntlet examination price. Even if you choose two exchanges per month, that would come out to $105.00 over the three month period. Those are just platform and data costs and don't take into consideration any of the additional overhead costs required to run the company, which are substantial.

I saw in the chat that we told you that you were welcome to have the Elite Member discount again, but you rejected that. If you tried to use your original code after the rejection it was because your original code is a one time use code. If you had asked us for a new code we would've been happy to provide one to you.

If you would like to take the Gauntlet again, we are more than happy to provide you with a new discount code.

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Hi Ryan,

I do not want to dig too deeply into your other business's affairs but can you say in general terms if MastenLojko CTA is in financial difficulty due to an outflux of investors? Has your AUM really gone down to $0 in January?

More importantly, is Helios Trading Partners' financial position still good enough to provide capital for new traders recruited through Earn2Trade? Do you consider this business model viable for the foreseeable future?


You can just say - "no comment". I am just concerned if someone passes the Gauntlet and then they might be told they are not funded due to lack of capital on Helios's part.

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Hi Ryan,

I do not want to dig too deeply into your other business's affairs but can you say in general terms if MastenLojko CTA is in financial difficulty due to an outflux of investors? Has your AUM really gone down to $0 in January?

More importantly, is Helios Trading Partners' financial position still good enough to provide capital for new traders recruited through Earn2Trade? Do you consider this business model viable for the foreseeable future?


You can just say - "no comment". I am just concerned if someone passes the Gauntlet and then they might be told they are not funded due to lack of capital on Helios's part.

Hey Sheen,

My CTA is a team of two. Myself and my trading partner, who also happened to be the other Founder of Earn2Trade. Running a CTA is a tough business and it’s not even the trading aspect that’s the hard part. It’s raising (and keeping) assets. We are traders dedicated to managing the assets we have and never did any marketing or even attempted to raise capital. We had some close contacts who invested and some IB's who found us and started pitching us to their clients. We were lucky we even raised the money we did (almost $3M) being we had no performance history that could be published per the NFA. Most CTA’s won’t really be looked at until they have 3 years of performance. A large number of CTA’s and hedge funds had large assets last year pull, and some of the bigger hedge funds actually closed.

We started in September of 2017 and had an amazing first year and we've won several awards. Like most, last year was a bit slow but we feel we did amazingly well with our risk management and our program is still up from inception. Unfortunately, we don’t have client lock-in and people can pull at any time for any reason. Investors are quick to pull, especially those that are not seasoned investors who understand the ups and downs. We don’t require QEP investors, so we tend to get more investors who are quick to pull. Being new, we didn’t have a ton of clients yet, and thus if one or two heavy hitters pull it is a steep drop. With the way the market in general went last year, many of our clients got hit from other directions pretty hard and pulled their funds from the market for the time being. We have already begun getting AUM back which will be reported in March and we believe this will be a strong year for our CTA as we work towards the goal of having 3 years of history managing client funds.

Regarding Helios Trading Partners, Helios Trading Partners is a completely different company than MastenLojko with different partners involved. It has no financial issues supporting its traders and in fact, we've been having an absolutely stellar year. We 1000% believe in the viability of our business model.

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Ryan, thank you for such an exhaustive reply. I myself, ever since I got interested in trading, have always wanted to manage other people's money as to me it was a great business model: 2% of assets for peace of mind + 20% of profits as a reward for performance - great idea, right? Now I am older and wiser and realise it is not that simple. Hence, I can imagine how hard it is for you to find investors and I wish you all the best with that for the future.

Just one more thing - are the partners behind Helios Trading Partners completely unrelated to Earn2Trade? In other words, is Earn2Trade the only source of capital for Helios?

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Ryan, thank you for such an exhaustive reply. I myself, ever since I got interested in trading, have always wanted to manage other people's money as to me it was a great business model: 2% of assets for peace of mind + 20% of profits as a reward for performance - great idea, right? Now I am older and wiser and realise it is not that simple. Hence, I can imagine how hard it is for you to find investors and I wish you all the best with that for the future.

Just one more thing - are the partners behind Helios Trading Partners completely unrelated to Earn2Trade? In other words, is Earn2Trade the only source of capital for Helios?


The capital for Helios does not come from Earn2Trade, neither is it the source of funding for the prop firm.

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I have a question regarding the monthly withdrawal from Helios policy.

Since Helios withdraws 20%-40% of the money every month, in my opinion the growth of the account is harmed on the long run. It either forces the trader to also get their share (which returns the account to the start point every month and a bad streak could blow it) or never withdrawing money while Helios gets theirs, which doesn't seem fair.

Wouldn't be better in the long run if Helios only gets their share when the trader does like other companies? Or increase the withdrawal period to 3-6 months?

Even if one passes the Gauntlet, it would be like a new Gauntlet every month, since there is no buffer for bad streaks. Also the account will not grow and profits will remain low.

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I have a question regarding the monthly withdrawal from Helios policy.

Since Helios withdraws 20%-40% of the money every month, in my opinion the growth of the account is harmed on the long run. It either forces the trader to also get their share (which returns the account to the start point every month and a bad streak could blow it) or never withdrawing money while Helios gets theirs, which doesn't seem fair.

Wouldn't be better in the long run if Helios only gets their share when the trader does like other companies? Or increase the withdrawal period to 3-6 months?

Even if one passes the Gauntlet, it would be like a new Gauntlet every month, since there is no buffer for bad streaks. Also the account will not grow and profits will remain low.

It’s about the prop firm protecting their capital. While other companies only withdraw when the trader does, they also trail the max loss, so eventually their risk is gone. With Helios, their risk does not go away until they can withdraw profits equal to their initial risk. No trailing drawdown necessitates the withdrawal.

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I have a question regarding the monthly withdrawal from Helios policy.

Since Helios withdraws 20%-40% of the money every month, in my opinion the growth of the account is harmed on the long run. It either forces the trader to also get their share (which returns the account to the start point every month and a bad streak could blow it) or never withdrawing money while Helios gets theirs, which doesn't seem fair.

Wouldn't be better in the long run if Helios only gets their share when the trader does like other companies? Or increase the withdrawal period to 3-6 months?

Even if one passes the Gauntlet, it would be like a new Gauntlet every month, since there is no buffer for bad streaks. Also the account will not grow and profits will remain low.

Support this but with a slight modification - perhaps Helios could withdraw just a fixed amount each month (provided there is enough profit to draw from). For instance, with 20% split it could be $500 monthly or less if profit for the month is less than 500 / 0.2 = $2,500. Then the question arises - when to share the rest of profits?

On the other hand, if a trader withdraws regularly, it might be better as they will avoid the phenomenon of giving back the profits to the market which is probably trader's worst enemy

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Support this but with a slight modification - perhaps Helios could withdraw just a fixed amount each month (provided there is enough profit to draw from). For instance, with 20% split it could be $500 monthly or less if profit for the month is less than 500 / 0.2 = $2,500. Then the question arises - when to share the rest of profits?

On the other hand, if a trader withdraws regularly, it might be better as they will avoid the phenomenon of giving back the profits to the market which is probably trader's worst enemy

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Hey guys,

Some recent news from Earn2Trade to share (I am quoting their press release below):


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We are happy to announce a partnership between Earn2Trade and Journalytix. Earn2Trade Gauntlet™ participants will now have access to Journalytix trade analytics to help them maximize the returns from their trading efforts.

The Gauntlet™ is a 60 day trader examination that leads to a funded account at Earn2Trade’s Proprietary firm partner. Traders must meet a 10% profit target without exceeding a 10% drawdown limitation in a 60 day trial and if successful go on to be given a funded trading account. The Gauntlet™ provides a flexible environment for traders by permitting trading at all times, including overnight trading, with no trailing drawdown restriction.

Journalytix is the next generation automated trade analytics and journaling tool with a built-in real- time news feed. The tools reveal patterns in trading data that help traders understand what’s working for them and what isn’t. Traders not only get up to the minute analytical information about their day in terms of both P&L and Risk, they also get a heads up in terms of both scheduled economic releases and market moving news, tailored to events that are likely to impact their trading.

This partnership is geared towards giving Earn2Trade Gauntlet™ candidates an increased probability of passing and earning a funded account. “By integrating Journalytix directly into the Gauntlet™ dashboard, our candidates will have an unprecedented level of analytics available at their fingertips, at no additional cost.” remarked Ryan Masten, Founder of Earn2Trade LLC.

This partnership will help candidates in terms of having the tools to recognize and maximize profitable trading behaviors, and also to avoid getting caught offside when the market switches from technical to news-driven. Peter Davies at Jigsaw commented “The Gauntlet™ is an amazing way for traders to disconnect themselves from the limitations of their own account balance. With this partnership, existing Journalytix users will benefit from continuity in their trading analytics as they move through the Gauntlet™ and beyond”.

To celebrate this event, Earn2Trade are offering a special 20% discount to Jigsaw/Journalytix customers. Simply click this link to learn more.

The link mentioned is here:
https://www.earn2trade.com/gauntlet?discount=jigsaw&a_pid=jigsaw

I think it sounds like a positive move for everyone. Both Earn2Trade and Jigsaw Trading (Journalytix) are site sponsors of futures io as well, and I'm glad to see them teaming up to encourage users to journal -- and by extension, improve their trading performance. As you guys know, I am a huge believer in journaling!

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Great question! Unfortunately we do not. We use the full exchange margin. This allows us to let clients trade during news and overnight. In addition, there are not any position limits other than what your balance can support with margin.

Seeing as you are also an educational business a few questions that anyone looking to join should be aware of.

Are the ''Teachers/mentors' actively, consistently Trading in profit.

Will they show there live trade records for proof.

I will not be participating in these programs, I just like to give advice for anyone who is thinking of doing so.
These basic questions should not be a problem to answer correctly.

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Hello,
I am currently doing a Gauntlet evaluation and trading NYMEX futures spreads as E2T allows for overnight holding of positions with no daily or weekly risk limits.


I want to point out a flaw in the RTrader pro platform to E2T as I proceed with my evaluation.
The RTrader pro platform calculates overall PnL at the current bid or ask levels. At market close, the market depth on DOM dries up so RTrader pro shows unrealised PnL at the DOM levels after market close. This way if the trader wants to hold the positions overnight, the DOM and platform shows huge unrealised PnL and hits the 10% drawdown level.
I am attaching a screenshot of my RTrader pro showing this issue. I was hodling 8 lots of NG calender spreads and at market close my position was in few ticks profit, however, after market close, the DOM calculated the PnL based on last bid-ask which is below my 10% drawdown levels.
Also the RTrder pro gets locked by itself and a request sent to the the support goes unanswered for a few hours during asian/EU session.
These issues in RTrader pro need attention.

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Seeing as you are also an educational business a few questions that anyone looking to join should be aware of.

Are the ''Teachers/mentors' actively, consistently Trading in profit.

Will they show there live trade records for proof.

I will not be participating in these programs, I just like to give advice for anyone who is thinking of doing so.
These basic questions should not be a problem to answer correctly.

Hi,
Thank you for the question. Our mentors and I have been trading for well over a decade. All of our mentors have passed their Series 3 and Series 34 exams and I myself run a CTA as well as Earn2Trade concurrently, although trading activity in the CTA has reduced as Earn2Trade has grown.

As it pertains to sharing our trading record publicly, the public record of the CTA is available, however we don't believe it is relevant to what we are teaching. We are conservative traders and you can see that reflected in our record. Regardless, I'd understand the desire to see the record if we were trying to sell one specific strategy that we claim to be the 100% foul-proof method that will generate huge profits for everyone. That is not what we do and that is not what we claim.

What we are trying to do here is teach our students about the market, about formulating their own strategies, finding out what their weaknesses and strengths are and working them to their advantage. We try to help our customers work on their trading skills, knowledge, patience and the psychological aspect as well. Our personal history with the market bears little relevance to this, what you should be asking is probably feedback from our customers, people who have gone through the program and have become better traders through their own hard work and our coaching. You can find plenty of reviews here: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.earn2trade.com

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Hello,
I am currently doing a Gauntlet evaluation and trading NYMEX futures spreads as E2T allows for overnight holding of positions with no daily or weekly risk limits.


I want to point out a flaw in the RTrader pro platform to E2T as I proceed with my evaluation.
The RTrader pro platform calculates overall PnL at the current bid or ask levels. At market close, the market depth on DOM dries up so RTrader pro shows unrealised PnL at the DOM levels after market close. This way if the trader wants to hold the positions overnight, the DOM and platform shows huge unrealised PnL and hits the 10% drawdown level.
I am attaching a screenshot of my RTrader pro showing this issue. I was hodling 8 lots of NG calender spreads and at market close my position was in few ticks profit, however, after market close, the DOM calculated the PnL based on last bid-ask which is below my 10% drawdown levels.
Also the RTrder pro gets locked by itself and a request sent to the the support goes unanswered for a few hours during asian/EU session.
These issues in RTrader pro need attention.

Hello! Rithmic is aware of this. It won't affect your Gauntlet. In some instances the system might attempt to liquidate you but since the market is closed, those orders should not trigger. If somehow they do, we will absolutely correct your account and reinstate it back to where it was with the positions how they were. I personally spoke to Rithmic this morning and they stated they are working on adjusting their PNL to hopefully address this. Currently they have it set like this as during market hours, basing PNL on best bed/ask is going to be more accurate than last trade price since these are more accurate representations of what you might get if you closed the trade.

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Hi Ryan, how many months of consistency do we have to show before Helios will give the trader an increase in capital? Also how do you determine how much capital you give the trader as an increase after they have showed consistency?

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Hi Ryan, how many months of consistency do we have to show before Helios will give the trader an increase in capital? Also how do you determine how much capital you give the trader as an increase after they have shown consistency?

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Hi Ryan, how many months of consistency do we have to show before Helios will give the trader an increase in capital? Also how do you determine how much capital you give the trader as an increase after they have shown consistency?

It’s not a fixed timeline or criteria at the moment. It’s a decision of the management based on trader performance.

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Hi Ryan,

i'm wondering if the micro e-minis are available for trade during the evaluation period, in particule MES and MNQ, as the liquidity seems good.

I barely passed the gauntlet last time, but it was a real learning experience, and I'd like to give it another try with greater control over my risk as 90% of my trading on the account will be algotrading

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Hi Ryan,

i'm wondering if the micro e-minis are available for trade during the evaluation period, in particule MES and MNQ, as the liquidity seems good.

I barely passed the gauntlet last time, but it was a real learning experience, and I'd like to give it another try with greater control over my risk as 90% of my trading on the account will be algotrading

Yes the micro's are available!

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I’m interested in using a copier for one of my family members. Do you mind telling me what copier you’re using?

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I’m interested in using a copier for one of my family members. Do you mind telling me what copier you’re using?

I'm not using one. I use ninja trader on a cloud server to execute my strategies.

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Whats the average time a trader stays funded before blowing up their funded account?

Hey! The best one to ask this question to is Helios (traders@heliostp.com). Earn2Trade doesn't get involved in the traders once they are passed over to the funding firm.

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Yes, we have a solution =)

Is Ninjatrader available yet for trading the Gauntlet?

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Is Ninjatrader available yet for trading the Gauntlet?

Hello! For updated information I would recommend keeping an eye on our FAQ: http://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/2402817-how-does-ninjatrader-work-with-earn2trade-products

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Ninjatrader works fine, you can connect using the rithmic for ninjatrader brokerage connector as long as you own a license.

if on the other hand you are asking about being given a basic license by Earn2Trade, see their response above.

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Yes, thanks. Since we're not able to use Ninja once funded with Helios, in my opinion, it defeats the purpose to use it for the Gauntlet.

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Ryan,

I was reading the Terms of Use on Earn2trade.com and something caught my eye under the Eligibility section.....

If you are a convicted felon, have been disciplined by the National Futures Association, have been disciplined by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, or have an outstanding balance with a trading firm, you are not eligible to use the Sites or Services.

I have to ask what does someones criminal history have to do with whether they can pass the Gauntlet or not? Does Helios share the same attitude towards someones criminal background? I just found this curious in that the ability to be a successful trader, or a bad one, has absolutely nothing to do with someones criminal history. I look forward to your answer on this!

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That's the same with the financial industry as a whole...banking, insurance, investments, trading.

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This thread is called "Ask Me Anything" not "Ask Nguyen Anything! Please don't answer for someone else!

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This thread is called "Ask Me Anything" not "Ask Nguyen Anything! Please don't answer for someone else!

What have I done to you to receive such hostility? According to you, you and everybody else shouldn’t be posting here also if the post Is not directed to E2T.

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Thank you for the question. Our mentors and I have been trading for well over a decade. All of our mentors have passed their Series 3 and Series 34 exams and I myself run a CTA as well as Earn2Trade concurrently, although trading activity in the CTA has reduced as Earn2Trade has grown.

As it pertains to sharing our trading record publicly, the public record of the CTA is available, however we don't believe it is relevant to what we are teaching. We are conservative traders and you can see that reflected in our record. Regardless, I'd understand the desire to see the record if we were trying to sell one specific strategy that we claim to be the 100% foul-proof method that will generate huge profits for everyone. That is not what we do and that is not what we claim.

What we are trying to do here is teach our students about the market, about formulating their own strategies, finding out what their weaknesses and strengths are and working them to their advantage. We try to help our customers work on their trading skills, knowledge, patience and the psychological aspect as well. Our personal history with the market bears little relevance to this, what you should be asking is probably feedback from our customers, people who have gone through the program and have become better traders through their own hard work and our coaching. You can find plenty of reviews here: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.earn2trade.com



Why are you telling me what I should be asking ? I am not interested in buying any “education” I have also been in the industry for over a decade and spent no time at all selling education because I have been to busy full time trading.

They are the first questions that anyone who is going to invest their time and money should ask. If the “mentor” or “ educator” could not supply those things , I would run a mile.

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Ryan,

I was reading the Terms of Use on Earn2trade.com and something caught my eye under the Eligibility section.....

If you are a convicted felon, have been disciplined by the National Futures Association, have been disciplined by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, or have an outstanding balance with a trading firm, you are not eligible to use the Sites or Services.

I have to ask what does someones criminal history have to do with whether they can pass the Gauntlet or not? Does Helios share the same attitude towards someones criminal background? I just found this curious in that the ability to be a successful trader, or a bad one, has absolutely nothing to do with someones criminal history. I look forward to your answer on this!

Not sure why we didn't get a notification for this post but I believe you're the one who emailed the same question into our support as well as Helios and you've received an answer on it. Let me know if you're not or if you need anything else!

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Why are you telling me what I should be asking ? I am not interested in buying any “education” I have also been in the industry for over a decade and spent no time at all selling education because I have been to busy full time trading.

They are the first questions that anyone who is going to invest their time and money should ask. If the “mentor” or “ educator” could not supply those things , I would run a mile.

@Fxfutures1976,

We didn't tell you what you should be asking, we just said in our opinion that the subject matter was not relevant to what we are teaching. We completely understand if you or someone else is looking for someone who can coach with specific actionable trading advice, but we don't provide that at Earn2Trade. Although I am a registered CTA, and all of our mentors have passed their Series 3 and Series 34 exams, Earn2Trade is not a registered CTA, so we have to tread carefully to not give specific trading advice and have thus built our education around developing good trading habits, risk management and understanding technicals.

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Hi, I received email that some kind of new gauntlet is coming soon, expected by next week? (or maybe over the weekend). Is that possibly the 'shorter' gauntlet that was in the works since not everyone has the patience to do trial for 2 months?

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Hi, I received email that some kind of new gauntlet is coming soon, expected by next week? (or maybe over the weekend). Is that possibly the 'shorter' gauntlet that was in the works since not everyone has the patience to do trial for 2 months?

The Gauntlet mini is already mentioned in the FAQ section of their website, however no rules yet so yes, probably a shorter Gauntlet as they have said multiple times already they were working on such a thing.
According to the email an announcement is coming next week.

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Yes I got ananswer from Helios and it turns out the issue is there isnt one. All good, Ryan!

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The Gauntlet mini is already mentioned in the FAQ section of their website, however no rules yet so yes, probably a shorter Gauntlet as they have said multiple times already they were working on such a thing.
According to the email an announcement is coming next week.

Correct. Release date next week. Stay tuned!

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Correct. Release date next week. Stay tuned!

I'd like to hear that you can use Ninjatrader when you're funded. Otherwise many of us will have no interest.

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I'd like to hear that you can use Ninjatrader when you're funded. Otherwise many of us will have no interest.

If you have a grandfathered license, you can absolutely use it when funded. However, outside of grandfathered licenses, it’s still the decision of Ninjatrader to not allow the usage with other FCM’s.

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If you have a grandfathered license, you can absolutely use it when funded. However, outside of grandfathered licenses, it’s still the decision of Ninjatrader to not allow the usage with other FCM’s.

Any particular reason why you don't have to be grandfathered to use Ninja when funded with Topstep? Seems like Earn2Trade is unique here.

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Wow, didn't know that their FAQ mentioned it too. Thanks for the update bro


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The Gauntlet mini is already mentioned in the FAQ section of their website, however no rules yet so yes, probably a shorter Gauntlet as they have said multiple times already they were working on such a thing.
According to the email an announcement is coming next week.

To be honest, I have the same issue when using with AMP futures also... something to do with some argument over commissions during discussions back in 2015 or so based on what I've read so far? For e2t they had a huge writeup on this https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/2522126-ninjatrader-live-account-notice

This seems to be the issue:

Initially NinjaTrader required us to pay a large sum of money for our users to get a free license for usage during The Gauntlet™ / Gauntlet Mini™, make several changes to our website that promoted their brand, and require customers who became funded and used the NinjaTrader platform to trade only through the NinjaTrader Brokerage.


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Any particular reason why you don't have to be grandfathered to use Ninja when funded with Topstep? Seems like Earn2Trade is unique here.


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Wow, didn't know that their FAQ mentioned it too. Thanks for the update bro



To be honest, I have the same issue when using with AMP futures also... something to do with some argument over commissions during discussions back in 2015 or so based on what I've read so far? For e2t they had a huge writeup on this https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/2522126-ninjatrader-live-account-notice

This seems to be the issue:

Initially NinjaTrader required us to pay a large sum of money for our users to get a free license for usage during The Gauntlet™ / Gauntlet Mini™, make several changes to our website that promoted their brand, and require customers who became funded and used the NinjaTrader platform to trade only through the NinjaTrader Brokerage.

Thanks @dyst, that's what I was going to point to. We remain hopeful that sometime in the future, NT's position on the matter will change.

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Hey Ryan,

Looking to give the Gauntlet a go in the coming weeks, but have a few quesitons if I may...

1) I'm assuming based on what i have read that I can trade the gauntlet account via my MC.NET platform correct ?

2) Will i also be able to trade via my platform once funded ? ..noticed how i said 'once' and not 'if'

3)Considering I stay within the margin profiles and tradable instruments, I can algo trade multiple markets during both the gauntlet and funded live account right ?

4) Once funded, are their opportunities to trade other markets on exchanges such as HKFE or Eurex ?


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Hey Ryan,

Looking to give the Gauntlet a go in the coming weeks, but have a few quesitons if I may...

1) I'm assuming based on what i have read that I can trade the gauntlet account via my MC.NET platform correct ?

2) Will i also be able to trade via my platform once funded ? ..noticed how i said 'once' and not 'if'

3)Considering I stay within the margin profiles and tradable instruments, I can algo trade multiple markets during both the gauntlet and funded live account right ?

4) Once funded, are their opportunities to trade other markets on exchanges such as HKFE or Eurex ?


Cheers,
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Hello!

1) Yes you can use multicharts
2) Absolutely
3) Yes you can!
4) Unfortunately CME only at this time. We're looking to expand in the future.

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Hey guys,

@Earn2Trade recently released their new Gauntlet Mini and I received an email with a few details, so I wanted to share it here for those interested in this new program:










Direct link with the coupon code attached:
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Good morning Ryan,

I'm considering splitting my capital into a prop environment and just have a few questions on some unclear things.

1. I noticed some people in the thread have had some issues regarding equity and OCO orders, where the OCO orders were being counted towards used equity. Is this still an issue? I use Sierrachart.

2. I'm currently not used to paying Pro prices for data costs, and would be eating $400+/month if joining your firm. But unclear with this line from your website: "If you already have a data feed and simply want to execute on the Helios feed, you do not need to subscribe to the Helios Rithmic data feed for charting and will not incur any costs." Does this mean I could use my own data provider and not be subject to the $400/month pro rates?

3. Are stops held server-side in both the gauntlet and live environment? using sierrachart. Just confirming in case of computer outages.

Regarding the normal Gauntlet
A. It's a bit worrying seeing in the forums offers of only $1k-$1.5k drawdown for live accounts, in relation to fee/time spent. Will 4:1 profit:risk still be considered for better live drawdown rates at the end of 60 days, as previously mentioned? I'm thinking personally, as I can easily lower my size and stay within the 4-7% range until a buffer is made, but achieving 2% dd at that account size in unrealistic for anyone trading larger moves, even on 1 contract.

B. I trade multiple products. If trading multiple products during your evaluation, successfully, are those products typically offered after passing? Or do you limit what symbols are tradable to your newly passed users?

Regarding the Gauntlet Mini
A. The trailing drawdown explanation isn't too clear, in both the sim and live environment. I'm a little concerned that trailing drawdown will follow the equity highs rather than closed trade equity. Can you confirm the specifics of this?

B. You state positions must be closed by the session close. Can we reopen/trade the Globex session? Or is anything non-RTH/pit hours forbidden?

C. After passing your $100k-$150k nominal mini gauntlet, will the initial drawdown of the live account be the same rates of the mini gauntlet just passed? I ask this because my style of trading wouldn't be suited for the low end dd offers.


That's all I can think of! everything else seems pretty self explanatory.

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Good morning Ryan,

I'm considering splitting my capital into a prop environment and just have a few questions on some unclear things.

1. I noticed some people in the thread have had some issues regarding equity and OCO orders, where the OCO orders were being counted towards used equity. Is this still an issue? I use Sierrachart.

2. I'm currently not used to paying Pro prices for data costs, and would be eating $400+/month if joining your firm. But unclear with this line from your website: "If you already have a data feed and simply want to execute on the Helios feed, you do not need to subscribe to the Helios Rithmic data feed for charting and will not incur any costs." Does this mean I could use my own data provider and not be subject to the $400/month pro rates?

3. Are stops held server-side in both the gauntlet and live environment? using sierrachart. Just confirming in case of computer outages.

Regarding the normal Gauntlet
A. It's a bit worrying seeing in the forums offers of only $1k-$1.5k drawdown for live accounts, in relation to fee/time spent. Will 4:1 profit:risk still be considered for better live drawdown rates at the end of 60 days, as previously mentioned? I'm thinking personally, as I can easily lower my size and stay within the 4-7% range until a buffer is made, but achieving 2% dd at that account size in unrealistic for anyone trading larger moves, even on 1 contract.

B. I trade multiple products. If trading multiple products during your evaluation, successfully, are those products typically offered after passing? Or do you limit what symbols are tradable to your newly passed users?

Regarding the Gauntlet Mini
A. The trailing drawdown explanation isn't too clear, in both the sim and live environment. I'm a little concerned that trailing drawdown will follow the equity highs rather than closed trade equity. Can you confirm the specifics of this?

B. You state positions must be closed by the session close. Can we reopen/trade the Globex session? Or is anything non-RTH/pit hours forbidden?

C. After passing your $100k-$150k nominal mini gauntlet, will the initial drawdown of the live account be the same rates of the mini gauntlet just passed? I ask this because my style of trading wouldn't be suited for the low end dd offers.


That's all I can think of! everything else seems pretty self explanatory.

Thanks for your time,
Have a good weekend

Hello!

1) No, assuming you mean oco's that are targets and stops, Rithmic has resolved this.
2) You can, yes. You'd still need to place the trades on the provided Rithmic connection, but you can do your market data on your own. The downside to this i that you can't trade off your charts and wouldn't have real-time PNL with your trades (since the CME considers real-time PNL as market data).
3) Sort of, this is a sierra thing not a Rithmic thing: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/SierraChartOrderRoutingServiceWithData.php

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[/B]A) No, things were set in stone and clarified to remove any questions. The offers are displayed on the site and those are what are received. I can tell you that the a good majority of people who pass have <2% drawdown.
B) If you traded them during the Gauntlet and were profitable, you'll be able to trade them on the live.

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B) Yes you can trade globex, all the times are clarified here: https://www.earn2trade.com/gauntlet-mini?approved-times
C) Yes it is, the parameters match the Gauntlet™ passed

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Thanks for the straight-forward answers, Ryan. Helped clear up almost everything!

Just to clarify on the data question, so there is a rithmic DOM or something when placing orders outside my secondary data feed? couldn't find any visual examples in google

Also, would you mind answering about the trailing drawdown specifics for the mini gauntlet? I would like to know if equity highs move the drawdown trail up or not, or will it be based on closed equity? (minus hitting the limit in real-time, of course)

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@Earn2Trade I just confirmed with Jonathan at E2T and it seems that Ninjatrader is now allowed in the Gauntlet Mini and standard Gauntlet as well as with Helios when funded. What changed Ninjas mind regarding this?

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@Earn2Trade I just confirmed with Jonathan at E2T and it seems that Ninjatrader is now allowed in the Gauntlet Mini and standard Gauntlet as well as with Helios when funded. What changed Ninjas mind regarding this?

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NT didn't change their mind. You still need a valid license as mentioned in our FAQ (2014 or better) that allows for external Rithmic orders. Then you have to use the Rithmic Leader/Follower system, so you're actually trading into a paper account and then the orders get copied to the Helios account assigned to you.

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NT didn't change their mind. You still need a valid license as mentioned in our FAQ (2014 or better) that allows for external Rithmic orders. Then you have to use the Rithmic Leader/Follower system, so you're actually trading into a paper account and then the orders get copied to the Helios account assigned to you.

I See..I must have misunderstood your email yesterday when it mentioned Ninjatrader. Dissapointing!

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Dear Traders,

We’d like to start off by thanking all of you for helping make the launch of The Gauntlet Mini™
last month an immense success. We’re especially grateful to everyone who signed up and gave
us their feedback on it so we can continue improving it as we go. Going forward we’ll be making
the following trader oriented changes to The Gauntlet Mini™.

We’re removing LiveSim, traders will go directly to Helios after passing the evaluation.
Traders previously had to go through a Live Simulator phase which was a paper trading account
with the same terms and conditions as your offer, including the ability to request withdrawals
immediately. It wasn’t a second evaluation, but rather a risk management procedure for the
prop. firm. Helios decided to allow traders to skip this process for The Gauntlet Mini™ because
its rules are stricter than the original Gauntlet™ so less risk management is necessary. The way
you benefit from it is being able to request performance reviews for additional funding or
trade-able assets from them sooner.

We’re removing the daily loss limit for live accounts after the trader reaches profitability.
After getting funded you will no longer be subject to a daily loss limit once you make enough
profit for your loss limit to reach your starting balance. As an example, if you start your live
account at $25,000 and grow your balance over $25,550 your daily loss limit will be removed.

We’re raising the maximum position size and the progression ladder for micro contracts
times ten.

You will be able to trade up to ten contracts of all respective micros and it'll only count as one
contract towards the progression ladder and maximum number of positions. For example if the
progression ladder allows you 2 contracts then you can either trade up to 2 ES, 1 ES & 10 MES
or 20 MES. This change will go live after 5:00 p.m. Central Time October 1st, 2019.

Traders will no longer need to pay Helios for their data fees after getting funded if they
already have their own data feed.

If you already have your own paid data feed you can continue using it for charting after getting
funded without having to pay Helios the additional monthly $105 per exchange, however, you
will still need to execute trades through the feed they provide.

Traders will be able to keep using NinjaTrader after getting funded regardless of license
type.

Previously you were only able to keep using NinjaTrader after getting funded if you had a
license grandfathered into trading with 3rd party brokerages. Helios has now added a
Leader-Follower service that will allow you to copy your trades from NT to Helios through a
paper trading account. This means you're not interacting directly with the live market so there
could be a small delay and you may not get the same fill. Traders who choose this option are
responsible for monitoring their Helios account, since their loss limits are based on the Helios
account, not the paper trading account. There's also an additional $25 ($50 if your user is more
than 6 months old) data fee to maintain the paper trading account.

We hope that these changes will enhance your Gauntlet Mini™ experience and make
completing it even more rewarding. Please look forward to more future developments.As
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I See..I must have misunderstood your email yesterday when it mentioned Ninjatrader. Dissapointing!Attachment 276694

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Yes there were more details on the link.
It's the only work around possible with NT still standing their ground. It's not the ideal solution, we agree, but it's still an option.

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I thought I'd give the mini Gauntlett a go and broke a rule after one day

When reading thru the rules on the site I simply read the page linked below which shows that you can't hold a trade over a key economic event listed as the FOMC statement/minutes and US GDP, Rate/Claims and Non farms. Standard stuff for any trader of the |US index futures and no mention of not holding trades when fed members speak.

https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/3224526-are-there-any-restrictions-on-when-i-can-trade-in-the-gauntlet-mini


Then low and behold I broke a rule today which, to my shock, was for holding a trade over when one of the Fed members speak, and boy do they speak, they love to speak, it's all they do. There are a gaggle of them speaking this week.

This rule totally confuses me as all they do is give their opinion on the economy and what they think the Fed should do..

All in all the market generally treats Fed speak as noise unless it's Powell talking. It is hardly a market moving event and yet E2T treat this as a major economic release, up there with Non farms and rate cuts, go figure.

To make matters even more confusing you can trade again 1 minute after they start speaking so it's totally irrelevant what they say.

So what is the point?

Yesterday there were four Fed members speaking, tomorrow there are five. Seems crazy to have to plot your whole day around this and trade in and out of positions over and over. Topstep don't do this nor do I imagine any other prop firms.

There is no data released, little in the way of market moving news (unless its Powell) and it's irrelevant what they say so why is it treated in the same way of major market economic news?

I understand they are the house rules and should not be broken which is fair enough if inconvenient but I would suggest they are placed on the link above on the main site and not hidden away inside the dashboard as I feel a little cheated.

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I thought I'd give the mini Gauntlett a go and broke a rule after one day

When reading thru the rules on the site I simply read the page linked below which shows that you can't hold a trade over a key economic event listed as the FOMC statement/minutes and US GDP, Rate/Claims and Non farms. Standard stuff for any trader of the |US index futures and no mention of not holding trades when fed members speak.

https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/3224526-are-there-any-restrictions-on-when-i-can-trade-in-the-gauntlet-mini


Then low and behold I broke a rule today which, to my shock, was for holding a trade over when one of the Fed members speak, and boy do they speak, they love to speak, it's all they do. There are a gaggle of them speaking this week.

This rule totally confuses me as all they do is give their opinion on the economy and what they think the Fed should do..

All in all the market generally treats Fed speak as noise unless it's Powell talking. It is hardly a market moving event and yet E2T treat this as a major economic release, up there with Non farms and rate cuts, go figure.

To make matters even more confusing you can trade again 1 minute after they start speaking so it's totally irrelevant what they say.

So what is the point?

Yesterday there were four Fed members speaking, tomorrow there are five. Seems crazy to have to plot your whole day around this and trade in and out of positions over and over. Topstep don't do this nor do I imagine any other prop firms.

There is no data released, little in the way of market moving news (unless its Powell) and it's irrelevant what they say so why is it treated in the same way of major market economic news?

I understand they are the house rules and should not be broken which is fair enough if inconvenient but I would suggest they are placed on the link above on the main site and not hidden away inside the dashboard as I feel a little cheated.

Sorry to hear about your experience! They are not hidden away. They are linked two times on the dashboard as well as directly on the website, right where it tells you what the rules are. There is even a link to the specific times and events on the link you posted.

We had these FOMC speeches listed because "sometimes" when these fed guys give speeches, they release a statement at their scheduled time and does move the market. That said, while originally we had these events listed, we've decided to remove all future "speeches" like this from the list of events, based on customer request.

We're new to having all these extra rules, as you know none of this was important for the regular Gauntlet, so we do depend a bit on our customers to give us feedback so we can refine things going forward.

As always, even if you may not agree with an event listed, the calendar is there for you to review. The events are posted for the month, before the month starts. If you see something you may not agree with, PLEASE, send us a chat message on our website and we'll take a look. If Helios risk department agrees, we may be able to have that event removed or adjusted!

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BTW, the "Approved Times" list (which seems a misnomer, since it's really a list of the forbidden times) can be found at https://www.earn2trade.com/gauntlet-mini?approved-times.

It's a bit worrisome that this list can be edited or updated at any time, so I urge that you refresh the page at least daily. As an example, today's Unemployment Claims announcement at 0730 CT was not on the list yesterday, but appears there today.

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BTW, the "Approved Times" list (which seems a misnomer, since it's really a list of the forbidden times) can be found at https://www.earn2trade.com/gauntlet-mini?approved-times.

It's a bit worrisome that this list can be edited or updated at any time, so I urge that you refresh the page at least daily. As an example, today's Unemployment Claims announcement at 0730 CT was not on the list yesterday, but appears there today.

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Hi! Yes, we're not perfect and one of the unemployment events was missed. It was added yesterday after a customer informed us the event was missing. That said, it shouldn't be a surprise it's there as it's in the picture in our FAQ's as being one of the important ones we care about: https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/3224526-are-there-any-restrictions-on-when-i-can-trade-in-the-gauntlet-mini.

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Sorry to hear about your experience! They are not hidden away. They are linked two times on the dashboard as well as directly on the website, right where it tells you what the rules are. There is even a link to the specific times and events on the link you posted.

We had these FOMC speeches listed because "sometimes" when these fed guys give speeches, they release a statement at their scheduled time and does move the market. That said, while originally we had these events listed, we've decided to remove all future "speeches" like this from the list of events, based on customer request.

We're new to having all these extra rules, as you know none of this was important for the regular Gauntlet, so we do depend a bit on our customers to give us feedback so we can refine things going forward.

As always, even if you may not agree with an event listed, the calendar is there for you to review. The events are posted for the month, before the month starts. If you see something you may not agree with, PLEASE, send us a chat message on our website and we'll take a look. If Helios risk department agrees, we may be able to have that event removed or adjusted!

Yes you are right they are not hidden away as such but not shown in that graphic which is what I meant and what I printed off. If gives the impression that's all there is to monitor. I didn't look further into the details as I simply didnt think there was any need after seeing that but it's nice that you have now removed them albeit at my cost of having to pay for a reset.

I know you update your calendar daily but if it was me I'd have sent an email alert to all gauntlet participents stating there are +15 Fed member events this week and to trade accodingly. Things like that are a nice touch and show that you care.

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Yes you are right they are not hidden away as such but not shown in that graphic which is what I meant and what I printed off. If gives the impression that's all there is to monitor. I didn't look further into the details as I simply didnt think there was any need after seeing that but it's nice that you have now removed them albeit at my cost of having to pay for a reset.

I know you update your calendar daily but if it was me I'd have sent an email alert to all gauntlet participents stating there are +15 Fed member events this week and to trade accodingly. Things like that are a nice touch and show that you care.

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We actually don't update it daily. It should just be once a month unless something was clearly missing that was in the graphic. We'll never edit it the day of. We also removed all future fed member speeches that are not red tag events.

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Thought I was the only one who got a surprised when I couldn't place an order today. I took a CL trade 15mins after EIA report around 9:45am CT yesterday. Got "caught" in the FOMC guy speech (NOT Powell). Just sad. A little angry and disappointed. Thought it was a good day yesterday, turned out...not.

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I also got trapped by their game to catch traders and take their money.
What nonsense to have 15 Fed Speakers as no trade zones.
I will not do business with firms that are out to cheat their customers.
I see above the Fed Speakers have now be removed form the list.
I expect they trapped a lot of customers this way.
Neither TopStep nor Oneup have such a tricky and pointless rule.
Perhaps if the company recognises that the rule was not warranted they should reset the account of those affected for free.

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And I thought I was the only one....

My circumstances were as follows;

I was directed to the site that showed the the following diagram,

https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/3224526-are-there-any-restrictions-on-when-i-can-trade-in-the-gauntlet-mini

...I took a screen shot of it and opened it every morning to double check. It showed the main events and made sense that they were on that "STOP" diagram ( Of course I go to Forex Factory to see what "red events" could still possibly effect the ES ie oil inventories if they are bad/good enough etc...not to appease a funding company per se...but to not gamble on large news events.) I was following rules that were posted on your site.

Could it be said that the rules I was following as posted on the site was fair and it was a mistake to have parts of the rules one place and additional parts in another link...I think so.

Could it be said I should have combed the entire site looking for more info...sure.

Two wrongs(mistakes) do not make a right, but surely as potential partners a fair agreement somewhere in the middle could be reached?
It had nothing to do with what we all would see as truly evil failures ie trading more than the allowed lots...going over your daily loss limit...these are non negotiable errors...those errors you had full control of (or lack of control actually)while the times to trade, with the examples mentioned above...seems to be an unfortunate grey area under the circumstances and not totally avoidable.

I was likely a week past the time limit for hitting the target and I was happy to pay for that second month (expecting to only need a week extra) to hit my target and move forward...this would have made E2T another $150. I was never gonna swing for the fences to make the target in the month allotted time and was fine with paying the extra month. But that idea was dismissed. I asked for a free reset, also a no go.

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"We also removed all future fed member speeches that are not red tag events"

Is this true Ryan?...so the thing that ruined at least 4 of us is now gone...that's great response time. Anything you can do to address our circumstances?

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I also got trapped by their game to catch traders and take their money.
What nonsense to have 15 Fed Speakers as no trade zones.
I will not do business with firms that are out to cheat their customers.
I see above the Fed Speakers have now be removed form the list.
I expect they trapped a lot of customers this way.
Neither TopStep nor Oneup have such a tricky and pointless rule.
Perhaps if the company recognises that the rule was not warranted they should reset the account of those affected for free.

I'm sorry you feel we were trying to "trap" or "cheat" out traders, that's absolutely not the case. There actually were not that many traders caught in these events, a very low percentage. It's not our motive to try and fail users. Our job is to provide a testing service for a set of rules given to us by the prop firm, which this event was originally listed. We are extremely clear in our rules and all of our communications with customers that they need to check the approved times, and we provide a link where they can do so. I understand maybe some of you do not agree with those particular speeches being on the list, however, the fact of the matter is that they were listed prior to the events. It was is each traders responsibility to follow the rules and not trade during the times listed, whether or not they agree with them. If there is ever an event you see listed that you don't agree with, please communicate this with support and it may be something removed or adjusted in the future.

Having restricted times like this is new to us and we are always listening to customer feedback on which event should and shouldn't be allowed. Based on customer feedback we did remove these particular events going forward. The other firms you mentioned that do not have those events listed did not start out with the same list of events they have today. Everything with the release of services is an evolution and one we strive to continually improve.

I hope you'll give us a shot again in the future.

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And I thought I was the only one....

My circumstances were as follows;

I was directed to the site that showed the the following diagram,

https://help.earn2trade.com/en/articles/3224526-are-there-any-restrictions-on-when-i-can-trade-in-the-gauntlet-mini

...I took a screen shot of it and opened it every morning to double check. It showed the main events and made sense that they were on that "STOP" diagram ( Of course I go to Forex Factory to see what "red events" could still possibly effect the ES ie oil inventories if they are bad/good enough etc...not to appease a funding company per se...but to not gamble on large news events.) I was following rules that were posted on your site.

Could it be said that the rules I was following as posted on the site was fair and it was a mistake to have parts of the rules one place and additional parts in another link...I think so.

Could it be said I should have combed the entire site looking for more info...sure.

Two wrongs(mistakes) do not make a right, but surely as potential partners a fair agreement somewhere in the middle could be reached?
It had nothing to do with what we all would see as truly evil failures ie trading more than the allowed lots...going over your daily loss limit...these are non negotiable errors...those errors you had full control of (or lack of control actually)while the times to trade, with the examples mentioned above...seems to be an unfortunate grey area under the circumstances and not totally avoidable.

I was likely a week past the time limit for hitting the target and I was happy to pay for that second month (expecting to only need a week extra) to hit my target and move forward...this would have made E2T another $150. I was never gonna swing for the fences to make the target in the month allotted time and was fine with paying the extra month. But that idea was dismissed. I asked for a free reset, also a no go.

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"We also removed all future fed member speeches that are not red tag events"

Is this true Ryan?...so the thing that ruined at least 4 of us is now gone...that's great response time. Anything you can do to address our circumstances?

(Sorry for the long winded post.)

It's not different rules in different places. There was always a link to the times and events. Both on the signup page, the FAQ's, the dashboard, and the email on setup.

That said, any of you affected by it please reach out to support and see what can be done.

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I just saw these above messages , cause I was about to ask the same question.

When data is released its fine-one minute before and 1 minute after, although excessive but I can understand you want to protect your capital.

BUT when FED speakers speak or when there are Fed minutes released how does one who is trading for your firm know when they are done. It might be listed to start speaking at 12 pm and Powell maynot start until 12.05 (like it was this past week) and he may continue till 12:15 pm or he might go on for 2 hours ? How is your trader supposed to know when he is done. This is a ridiculous catch and none of the other firms do this. Please look into it. You may not see it as such but this is clearly a TRAP.

And what about when you do miss to list an event. The trader has done his due diligence but if you are slacking on your side why is trader penalized ?

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I just saw these above messages , cause I was about to ask the same question.

When data is released its fine-one minute before and 1 minute after, although excessive but I can understand you want to protect your capital.

BUT when FED speakers speak or when there are Fed minutes released how does one who is trading for your firm know when they are done. It might be listed to start speaking at 12 pm and Powell maynot start until 12.05 (like it was this past week) and he may continue till 12:15 pm or he might go on for 2 hours ? How is your trader supposed to know when he is done. This is a ridiculous catch and none of the other firms do this. Please look into it. You may not see it as such but this is clearly a TRAP.

And what about when you do miss to list an event. The trader has done his due diligence but if you are slacking on your side why is trader penalized ?

Hey @garyboy275

You don't have to wait until they are done. Our approved times page clearly states that you must be flat 1min before the listed time until 1min after. Even if it's some speech that you don't know when it will end? In many cases, even if it's just a speech, they will deliver/post opening remarks at the beginning. Algo's can pick up on this and may cause movements. We don't tell you that you need to be flat during the whole speech, don't worry!

It's NEVER a case where there is some "open ended" end time you have to worry about. Everything is spelled out on our website, specific to asset and times, in advance.

If there is an event that is missing from our approved times list, you don't need to worry about it. If it was suppose to be there and we somehow missed it, you will NOT be penalized for it.

I hope that clears things up!

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Ryan,
I just signed up for the mini. The ONLY reason is looks like you are an awesome person and care about your business. Your response has been topnotch.

One more suggestion for your website team if you can have the events calendar style instead of being a list like right now with current day being highlighted and next upcoming event highlighted. It would go a long ways to resolving the confusion people have regarding events and times.

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Ryan,
I just signed up for the mini. The ONLY reason is looks like you are an awesome person and care about your business. Your response has been topnotch.

One more suggestion for your website team if you can have the events calendar style instead of being a list like right now with current day being highlighted and next upcoming event highlighted. It would go a long ways to resolving the confusion people have regarding events and times.

Goodluck

Will absolutely send the feedback to the web team! thank you

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I posted this under the Topstep thread and want to help all the desperate traders I can, so am posting it here. I wish futures.io would stop allowing these companies to target all the newbies that come here. I'm sure there is a lot. These companies make their masses off failing and uneducated traders. I find it more preditory than the so called educators.

"Please do not waste your money on these guys or any of the others. With the MICRO Futures there is no reason to use them anymore. Even if you can be profitable under their very tight parameters (It is doable), most traders are not always perfect and will make mistakes at some time in their career. Then you will go back to the beginning of the hamster wheel. I've heard peeps on this forum say "well I just want to build capital with them and just leave" No..Just use the micros. They even advertise "build your capital thing" themselves because they no the statistics. 95% of people that try to trade fail for life. The 5% that do become successful fail at some time during their education. They are making a killing with this stuff. Just 7000 new costumers a year and a few account resets and they bank a million. Who wouldn't bank the trades of a couple lucky suckers. LOL."

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I posted this under the Topstep thread and want to help all the desperate traders I can, so am posting it here. I wish futures.io would stop allowing these companies to target all the newbies that come here. I'm sure there is a lot. These companies make their masses off failing and uneducated traders. I find it more preditory than the so called educators.

"Please do not waste your money on these guys or any of the others. With the MICRO Futures there is no reason to use them anymore. Even if you can be profitable under their very tight parameters (It is doable), most traders are not always perfect and will make mistakes at some time in their career. Then you will go back to the beginning of the hamster wheel. I've heard peeps on this forum say "well I just want to build capital with them and just leave" No..Just use the micros. They even advertise "build your capital thing" themselves because they no the statistics. 95% of people that try to trade fail for life. The 5% that do become successful fail at some time during their education. They are making a killing with this stuff. Just 7000 new costumers a year and a few account resets and they bank a million. Who wouldn't bank the trades of a couple lucky suckers. LOL."

Knowing what I know now, and having made the turn. I have been there and done that. Unless you really know what your doing they will certainly take your money!

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I posted this under the Topstep thread and want to help all the desperate traders I can, so am posting it here. I wish futures.io would stop allowing these companies to target all the newbies that come here. I'm sure there is a lot. These companies make their masses off failing and uneducated traders. I find it more preditory than the so called educators.

"Please do not waste your money on these guys or any of the others. With the MICRO Futures there is no reason to use them anymore. Even if you can be profitable under their very tight parameters (It is doable), most traders are not always perfect and will make mistakes at some time in their career. Then you will go back to the beginning of the hamster wheel. I've heard peeps on this forum say "well I just want to build capital with them and just leave" No..Just use the micros. They even advertise "build your capital thing" themselves because they no the statistics. 95% of people that try to trade fail for life. The 5% that do become successful fail at some time during their education. They are making a killing with this stuff. Just 7000 new costumers a year and a few account resets and they bank a million. Who wouldn't bank the trades of a couple lucky suckers. LOL."

Knowing what I know now, and having made the turn. I have been there and done that. Unless you really know what your doing they will certainly take your money!

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its a business, the whole point of it is to make money,

I personally have not used any of these services but can see the appeal and it seems it might be more helpful then paying for a course that promises you make 7 figures in 4 months.

Can't blame someone who is trying to make money and also trying to help people. In this business people are always going to lose money its what we do.

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its a business, the whole point of it is to make money,

I personally have not used any of these services but can see the appeal and it seems it might be more helpful then paying for a course that promises you make 7 figures in 4 months.

Can't blame someone who is trying to make money and also trying to help people. In this business people are always going to lose money its what we do.

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Well said.
I have never used Earn2Trade, but have used TST (sorry Ryan ). Nobody forced me or anybody else to carefully go through these different companies rules then willingly choose the one that best suits them and purchase that service/product.

Trading is pure capitalism, simply about making money, and the whole resentment of other people doing so is ridiculous. The fact that these companies are run as serious profitable businesses are a positive if one is in effect trying to join them and be funded.

"Unless you really know what your doing they will certainly take your money!". They don't take your money, the trader chooses to pay them, and if they are not profitable with the company rules for the program they have chosen then they are also unlikely to be profitable trading their own funds.
If however a better trader is trading their own account making money then they are taking their profits from the "95% of people that try to trade fail for life." How is that better for the "newbies". They are still losing money and in my experience probably a lot more than the average $175 odd per month these trading companies charge.

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We wish you the best trying to kick start your career with micros.

With all do respect. That is the most ridiculous thing to say if one knows anything about trading and or is successful. I was not fortune to have the luxury of starting on the micros and became profitable regardless. If I would of had the opportunity to do so and knowing what I know now, it most certainly would have accelerated my career. Micros are the best thing that has come about for beginning traders. Also Great instrument to test new strategies on, and not break the bank. JMHO.

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With all do respect. That is the most ridiculous thing to say if one knows anything about trading and or is successful. I was not fortune to have the luxury of starting on the micros and became profitable regardless. If I would of had the opportunity to do so and knowing what I know now, it most certainly would have accelerated my career. Micros are the best thing that has come about for beginning traders. Also Great instrument to test new strategies on, and not break the bank. JMHO.

I agree, my statement may have come off incorrectly. I'm sure adding a smiley or wording it differently would have changed the tone. We think micros are great and was trying to say that we really do wish you the best in your efforts to kick start your career with them! I believe we were the first firm to allow the use of Micros and in fact, we offer them in conjunction with the regular contracts. You don't have to use a "micro" challenge to trade the micros. We very much advocate for the usage of micros, they are great for risk purposes. I do however still believe that firms like ours, even with the introduction of futures, have a large benefit to traders.

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I joined the mini and failed within 2 days due to trading 4 contracts... I didn't know the ladder that I supposedly allow only 2 contracts before hit profit $1500... I just reset it and give another shoot. At topstep I had two pass twice but only once here.

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Good points, but still, if a trader wants to have a stop and target entered automatically and then let the trade management be handled by those orders, it will crimp their style somewhat, because one of the sides of the OCO will require an extra 1X margin per contract, which could be a significant limitation in terms of the size available, depending on how the trader trades.

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Correct, especially if I trade for 4-5pts profit target and 5-6pts stoploss, I need to have always on bracket trades. So it means for 25k capital I could trade only 1 contract maximum??? how can this make any sense of reasonable potential ROI

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Correct, especially if I trade for 4-5pts profit target and 5-6pts stoploss, I need to have always on bracket trades. So it means for 25k capital I could trade only 1 contract maximum??? how can this make any sense of reasonable potential ROI

If the trading platform you use connects to Rithmic in the proper way, then you won't have extra margin issues. In addition, you don't have this issue on the Gauntlet Mini. I'd recommend talking to support about this!

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If the trading platform you use connects to Rithmic in the proper way, then you won't have extra margin issues. In addition, you don't have this issue on the Gauntlet Mini. I'd recommend talking to support about this!

I dont like Gauntlet Mini because of very restrictive rules. I like Gauntlet because it has some flexibility of defining the rules as long as we are adhering it. That is why I am only interested in Gauntlet but if I can trade only 1 contract with 25K then it is useless proposition...

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I dont like Gauntlet Mini because of very restrictive rules. I like Gauntlet because it has some flexibility of defining the rules as long as we are adhering it. That is why I am only interested in Gauntlet but if I can trade only 1 contract with 25K then it is useless proposition...

Talk with live support - you should be able to trade more than 1.

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Say if after six months of managing risk and trading profitably, can you re-negotiate risk parameters and lot size?

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its a business, the whole point of it is to make money,

I personally have not used any of these services but can see the appeal and it seems it might be more helpful then paying for a course that promises you make 7 figures in 4 months.

Can't blame someone who is trying to make money and also trying to help people. In this business people are always going to lose money its what we do.

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Well said!

It is easy to make up opinions (a story with no evidence) about whether climbing the mountain is worth it or not, or you can climb the mountain and then share your experience...now you have evidence of it's value.

I wager to guess that you are a person that wastes time with your uneducated opinions. I have not joined E2T, at this time...and what I can tell you is, that I have attended prior similar events that Mr. Masten has held, and he answered a question that has been asked of Top Step Trader, and One Step, and neither one of them will give you the information regarding the real statistics regarding how many people have attempted to complete the pre-hire challenge. TST calls it a "Combine"...I do not know what One Step calls it? And, E2T calls it the Gauntlet. How many people have passed. As a person, who has coached others in passing these trading tests to get an account to trade. I know from experience that the stats are very low. Meaning the fact is 80-90% fail. And it has very little to due with methodology, or strategies, or market information, or trading platform.

Mr. Masten is the only person who actually is being transparent and showing a level of integrity I have not seen in this business. He stated that their stats show that 20% pass rate so 80% failed to pass in a years time. That takes a lot of courage as a business owner.

So please go climb some mountains before opening your mouth. "Opinions are like bellybuttons..."

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It is easy to make up opinions (a story with no evidence) about whether climbing the mountain is worth it or not, or you can climb the mountain and then share your experience...now you have evidence of it's value.

I wager to guess that you are a person that wastes time with your uneducated opinions. I have not joined E2T, at this time...and what I can tell you is, that I have attended prior similar events that Mr. Masten has held, and he answered a question that has been asked of Top Step Trader, and One Step, and neither one of them will give you the information regarding the real statistics regarding how many people have attempted to complete the pre-hire challenge. TST calls it a "Combine"...I do not know what One Step calls it? And, E2T calls it the Gauntlet. How many people have passed. As a person, who has coached others in passing these trading tests to get an account to trade. I know from experience that the stats are very low. Meaning the fact is 80-90% fail. And it has very little to due with methodology, or strategies, or market information, or trading platform.

Mr. Masten is the only person who actually is being transparent and showing a level of integrity I have not seen in this business. He stated that their stats show that 20% pass rate so 80% failed to pass in a years time. That takes a lot of courage as a business owner.

So please go climb some mountains before opening your mouth. "Opinions are like bellybuttons..."

namaskaram

Why are you shitting on someone for there opinion? Why would anyone have to show these results? This is one of those things that it isn't the businesses fault if YOU fail it's yours even if they had a pass rate of 5% that's hell of a lot better then most retail traders.

Maybe you should go climb some mountains and do some self reflecting.

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It is easy to make up opinions (a story with no evidence) about whether climbing the mountain is worth it or not, or you can climb the mountain and then share your experience...now you have evidence of it's value.

I wager to guess that you are a person that wastes time with your uneducated opinions. I have not joined E2T, at this time...and what I can tell you is, that I have attended prior similar events that Mr. Masten has held, and he answered a question that has been asked of Top Step Trader, and One Step, and neither one of them will give you the information regarding the real statistics regarding how many people have attempted to complete the pre-hire challenge. TST calls it a "Combine"...I do not know what One Step calls it? And, E2T calls it the Gauntlet. How many people have passed. As a person, who has coached others in passing these trading tests to get an account to trade. I know from experience that the stats are very low. Meaning the fact is 80-90% fail. And it has very little to due with methodology, or strategies, or market information, or trading platform.

Mr. Masten is the only person who actually is being transparent and showing a level of integrity I have not seen in this business. He stated that their stats show that 20% pass rate so 80% failed to pass in a years time. That takes a lot of courage as a business owner.

So please go climb some mountains before opening your mouth. "Opinions are like bellybuttons..."

namaskaram

Not sure where your anger is coming from, but I think even beginners who have not peaked the mountain are entitled to their opinions. I personally think there is a place for combines but it is our job as traders to do the due diligence so we can't complain f we get kicked out for breaking the rules. Mr. Masten has quite impressed me as well with his responsiveness to my questions as well as transparency and I think that is why Earn2Trade has seen such success.

Regarding my reply to MiniP, I merely thought it funny that losing money is what we do. (At least, it's what I do... though thankfully, less and less with the help of some great traders on this site).

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Wanted to see how the Sierra Chart option with Rithmic is working for Gauntlet and funded accounts. Your website mentioned this: "We've also received reports from our users that Sierra Chart's support may not actively respond to Rithmic related issues".
Any negative feedback from Gauntlet / funded traders using Rithmic data with Sierra Charts?

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Wanted to see how the Sierra Chart option with Rithmic is working for Gauntlet and funded accounts. Your website mentioned this: "We've also received reports from our users that Sierra Chart's support may not actively respond to Rithmic related issues".
Any negative feedback from Gauntlet / funded traders using Rithmic data with Sierra Charts?

We have a LOT of people using Sierra. The only reason we note that on our site is because Sierra has made it apparent on theirs that they plan on limiting technical support help for Rithmic. That wouldn't just be an Earn2Trade thing. Maybe others here who use Sierra w/ Rithmic can comment on their experience.

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The support lady was not very clear about it so let me ask here:
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2. does the offer received after completing Gauntlet Mini restricts the assets available in live account to only those traded in the Gauntlet Mini?

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