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Any followers of Ray Freeman / Samurai Trader out there?

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 kevinhpchan 
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Are there followers of Ray Freeman (Samurai Trader) out there? I'm just starting his Fast Track course (iamadaytrader.com). Just wondering if anyone who's practically using his strategies (e.g. e.g. 89B etc). Would be great to connect with others on the same journey.

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https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/i-am-a-day-trader/

I'd try to get your money back. Are you looking for a system or some guidance in self-discovery?

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 kevinhpchan 
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https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/i-am-a-day-trader/



I'd try to get your money back. Are you looking for a system or some guidance in self-discovery?



I did read that review. I was never aware of Ray in his previous ventures but based on his current training videos, he seemed sincere and intentional in training other traders. Have you watched any of his stuff on YouTube?


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 RoboVinhci 
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I did read that review. I was never aware of Ray in his previous ventures but based on his current training videos, he seemed sincere and intentional in training other traders. Have you watched any of his stuff on YouTube?


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Yes just did... Too many squiggly lines on the chart, so it's not for me.

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 researcher247 
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I buy lots of methods (hobby) that aren't too expensive and enjoy trying to figure out a way to

a) make them nearly 100% rule-based

b) get them to an acceptable profit factor.

This is done in my spare time. For my primary intraday trading I use methods that employ two timeframes and trade in that direction (trend breakout pullbacks and with trend pullbacks) from 9:30am to around 1pm est.

With regard to Ray's 'method' - even taking my reward:risk down to 2:1 net net on a bunch of his entries and trying various stop win/stop loss session parameters and looking at his easiest 2-4 types of entries...

Alas - it was a wash personally for me. Also, his timeframes are ridiculously fast and he's a paper trader who makes videos that show really favorable price action. When the price action is not quite as favorable he'll highlight his 'mean reversion' entry techniques.

When the market is trending hard and smooth - he'll show his trend and trend pullback entries.

The guy is really sleazy. I bought his program for like $79.00 - less than the cost of a night's dinner at a decent restaurant for two. So I don't really care what a scammer he really is for less than a c-note.

If you really want to put in some spare time on his program I would suggest concentrating on 2-3 entry techniques. Build your own trade management/targets and rule-based parameters.

I also suggest looking at data that is the same time period each day - a consistent start and end time.

If you just look at random times of day your brain will start to look at opportunities that you'll be most likely curve fitting or you'll just gravitate to a random starting time when your eyes see the 1st winning trade or chunks of price action when price began moving smoothly for whatever your type of trade setups are.

Finally, if someone really wants to take apart this method I would suggest using LONGER timeframes and conservative entries w/tight trade management and at least a 2 to 1 net net reward:risk and perhaps look at two markets at once and be very very picky about your 'rule-based' entries.

Even with that written - I believe all of his types of setups show no real long term edge due to the 'subjectivity' of them.

Using two time frames may be a helpful filter.

Good luck and good trading.

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 kevinhpchan 
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I buy lots of methods (hobby) that aren't too expensive and enjoy trying to figure out a way to

a) make them nearly 100% rule-based

b) get them to an acceptable profit factor.

This is done in my spare time. For my primary intraday trading I use methods that employ two timeframes and trade in that direction (trend breakout pullbacks and with trend pullbacks) from 9:30am to around 1pm est.

With regard to Ray's 'method' - even taking my reward:risk down to 2:1 net net on a bunch of his entries and trying various stop win/stop loss session parameters and looking at his easiest 2-4 types of entries...

Alas - it was a wash personally for me. Also, his timeframes are ridiculously fast and he's a paper trader who makes videos that show really favorable price action. When the price action is not quite as favorable he'll highlight his 'mean reversion' entry techniques.

When the market is trending hard and smooth - he'll show his trend and trend pullback entries.

The guy is really sleazy. I bought his program for like $79.00 - less than the cost of a night's dinner at a decent restaurant for two. So I don't really care what a scammer he really is for less than a c-note.

If you really want to put in some spare time on his program I would suggest concentrating on 2-3 entry techniques. Build your own trade management/targets and rule-based parameters.

I also suggest looking at data that is the same time period each day - a consistent start and end time.

If you just look at random times of day your brain will start to look at opportunities that you'll be most likely curve fitting or you'll just gravitate to a random starting time when your eyes see the 1st winning trade or chunks of price action when price began moving smoothly for whatever your type of trade setups are.

Finally, if someone really wants to take apart this method I would suggest using LONGER timeframes and conservative entries w/tight trade management and at least a 2 to 1 net net reward:risk and perhaps look at two markets at once and be very very picky about your 'rule-based' entries.

Even with that written - I believe all of his types of setups show no real long term edge due to the 'subjectivity' of them.

Using two time frames may be a helpful filter.

Good luck and good trading.



Thank you so much for the feedback and experience. I figured for the price he charged, there would be some value in the content beyond just his specific setups. Did you test the setups he references, he seems to talk about his 34B setup a lot.

You mentioned you’ve bought other programs. Which have you found reliable as a 100% Rules Based approach?


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 researcher247 
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I last looked at his method in the summer of '16 - if you are interested in a particular setup of his (34b) - again, I suggest you watch it real time on a longer timeframe and use perhaps a higher timeframe as a filter (trend continuation if I recall).

Perhaps as I wrote watch two markets at once and don't overtrade and try to trade those markets w/n the 1st two hours of each session when they have the most volume.

My own trading methods that I trade intraday full time are as I stated (trend breakout pullbacks and pullbacks to trend) and I use two timeframes.

The 'methods' I use are irrelevant, though I use 3 slightly different approaches but they are all very similar in that they trade trend breakouts on pullbacks and pullbacks to existing trends.

The methods are irrelevant because although I have support and resistance on two time frames that are marked on my chart automatically (if applicable) for all the methods I use - I have so many rule-based checklist 'go or no go' parameters for each one and my own unique trade management & profit target and trail profit iterations (100% logical and again, rule based) that what I do and another trader do in the exact same session would not be the same. Even with the same software.

I would not use any software or indicators if I could visualize them on different timeframes with just my macro vision - but I can't - so I use different colors for lines, arrows and different entry types so when I am doing my chart work I associate things w/colors and patterns for repetition.

My suggestion for any trader is what I wrote in an earlier post a few months ago (for testing a method they want to make their own) that I will repeat it here:

"Yep.

With any nearly 100% rule-based methodology if you are primarily a non-discretionary intraday trader you are best to look at data sets that include

a) volatile, non-volatile, uptrending/downtrending markets
b) at least 500+ trades
c) 6+ months of valid testing w/daily & weekly results that include total trades (non b.e. trades) that give you total trades/win %/profit factor/reward to risk factor and total $$'s profit per trade

One must also decide trading hours, conservative margin per contract, if you will use a stop win/stop loss goal for day and/or week and many other factors.

99% of traders won't do this. They won't know there own interpretation of trade management so well it becomes robotic.

I've traded intraday since the late 80's and I still do all of the above w/the many intraday methods I have created for myself.

I never use live funds unless I have at least 6 months of data intraday under a variety of trading conditions. If trading conditions remain constant for many months of testing I then go out of sample and use my existing rules to see if the method is robust enough to put real money on the line.

Now, currently I am using abletrend because I am a w/trend breakout and w/trend pullback trader (my preference). However - w/any method no one uses it the same. I use it because it objectively shows me the short and long-term trend 100% visually and objectively without any input or work on my part so I can then concentrate what I am best on (creating trade management & entry techniques).

I used to do everything on my own but I just hit 50+ years old and that's too many steps involved for me now.

You must study it intraday for consistent themes that represent trading opportunities and you also must trade intraday markets at the correct times (high volume times) and trade markets that move alot of ticks (for w/trend breakout and trend pb methods).

There are no shortcuts - it's not a part-time hobby either or casual avocation. You want to risk and to make the real money - you work it like any other professional would.

I imagine myself as an engineer building a solid foundation from the ground up (whatever method I am testing/tweaking/creating) and then I 'stress' test it like a statistician going forward.

Most trader's simply don't have enough time in the market under a variety of trading conditions for their ideas to hold water consistently over time.

It is okay to make slight changes to something that is successful over time but it must be logical and something that through careful observation has a clear and logical edge and fits in with your existing setups.

Finally, you have to enjoy being uncomfortable w/risk & uncertainty. You must also be able to tolerate being wrong at least 35 to 50% if you are a non scalper. Day in, day out. Week in, week out.

Frankly, I really don't believe in being a 5 days a week intraday trader 48+ weeks per year. I'm good for about 25 weeks per year up to 35 weeks per year. I also use a stop-win goal for the week that is typically 2.75X's my modest weekly goal, so I have alot of weeks where after sometimes 2 - but more often 3 or 4 days each week I am done for the week and can turn off the charts.

I don't recommend smart guys to investigate intraday futures trading unless they are willing to risk at least 20K like it doesn't mean anything to them, and that is AFTER they have spent at least 2-3 years testing in sim with the guidelines I wrote about at the top of this post.

It's that difficult. However, if you find real edges over time - they stay that way forever in the right intraday markets.

I also do the same type of reasoning for trading daily diversified portfolios - you then really need to look at random 6 month periods of time that go back at least 10 years under a variety of conditions. It is grueling long-term work and takes much work to find the good consistent edges that stand the test of time as well.

For me, the only enjoyable aspect of trading is the unlimited profit potential without having to work with anyone else - a truly independent career."

peace...

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 kevinhpchan 
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I last looked at his method in the summer of '16 - if you are interested in a particular setup of his (34b) - again, I suggest you watch it real time on a longer timeframe and use perhaps a higher timeframe as a filter (trend continuation if I recall).

Perhaps as I wrote watch two markets at once and don't overtrade and try to trade those markets w/n the 1st two hours of each session when they have the most volume.

My own trading methods that I trade intraday full time are as I stated (trend breakout pullbacks and pullbacks to trend) and I use two timeframes.

The 'methods' I use are irrelevant, though I use 3 slightly different approaches but they are all very similar in that they trade trend breakouts on pullbacks and pullbacks to existing trends.

The methods are irrelevant because although I have support and resistance on two time frames that are marked on my chart automatically (if applicable) for all the methods I use - I have so many rule-based checklist 'go or no go' parameters for each one and my own unique trade management & profit target and trail profit iterations (100% logical and again, rule based) that what I do and another trader do in the exact same session would not be the same. Even with the same software.

I would not use any software or indicators if I could visualize them on different timeframes with just my macro vision - but I can't - so I use different colors for lines, arrows and different entry types so when I am doing my chart work I associate things w/colors and patterns for repetition.

My suggestion for any trader is what I wrote in an earlier post a few months ago (for testing a method they want to make their own) that I will repeat it here:

"Yep.

With any nearly 100% rule-based methodology if you are primarily a non-discretionary intraday trader you are best to look at data sets that include

a) volatile, non-volatile, uptrending/downtrending markets
b) at least 500+ trades
c) 6+ months of valid testing w/daily & weekly results that include total trades (non b.e. trades) that give you total trades/win %/profit factor/reward to risk factor and total $$'s profit per trade

One must also decide trading hours, conservative margin per contract, if you will use a stop win/stop loss goal for day and/or week and many other factors.

99% of traders won't do this. They won't know there own interpretation of trade management so well it becomes robotic.

I've traded intraday since the late 80's and I still do all of the above w/the many intraday methods I have created for myself.

I never use live funds unless I have at least 6 months of data intraday under a variety of trading conditions. If trading conditions remain constant for many months of testing I then go out of sample and use my existing rules to see if the method is robust enough to put real money on the line.

Now, currently I am using abletrend because I am a w/trend breakout and w/trend pullback trader (my preference). However - w/any method no one uses it the same. I use it because it objectively shows me the short and long-term trend 100% visually and objectively without any input or work on my part so I can then concentrate what I am best on (creating trade management & entry techniques).

I used to do everything on my own but I just hit 50+ years old and that's too many steps involved for me now.

You must study it intraday for consistent themes that represent trading opportunities and you also must trade intraday markets at the correct times (high volume times) and trade markets that move alot of ticks (for w/trend breakout and trend pb methods).

There are no shortcuts - it's not a part-time hobby either or casual avocation. You want to risk and to make the real money - you work it like any other professional would.

I imagine myself as an engineer building a solid foundation from the ground up (whatever method I am testing/tweaking/creating) and then I 'stress' test it like a statistician going forward.

Most trader's simply don't have enough time in the market under a variety of trading conditions for their ideas to hold water consistently over time.

It is okay to make slight changes to something that is successful over time but it must be logical and something that through careful observation has a clear and logical edge and fits in with your existing setups.

Finally, you have to enjoy being uncomfortable w/risk & uncertainty. You must also be able to tolerate being wrong at least 35 to 50% if you are a non scalper. Day in, day out. Week in, week out.

Frankly, I really don't believe in being a 5 days a week intraday trader 48+ weeks per year. I'm good for about 25 weeks per year up to 35 weeks per year. I also use a stop-win goal for the week that is typically 2.75X's my modest weekly goal, so I have alot of weeks where after sometimes 2 - but more often 3 or 4 days each week I am done for the week and can turn off the charts.

I don't recommend smart guys to investigate intraday futures trading unless they are willing to risk at least 20K like it doesn't mean anything to them, and that is AFTER they have spent at least 2-3 years testing in sim with the guidelines I wrote about at the top of this post.

It's that difficult. However, if you find real edges over time - they stay that way forever in the right intraday markets.

I also do the same type of reasoning for trading daily diversified portfolios - you then really need to look at random 6 month periods of time that go back at least 10 years under a variety of conditions. It is grueling long-term work and takes much work to find the good consistent edges that stand the test of time as well.

For me, the only enjoyable aspect of trading is the unlimited profit potential without having to work with anyone else - a truly independent career."

peace...


thank you for the comprehensive and thoughtful perspective. I agree with your point of view that 99% of traders aren’t willing to invest the time & effort to go through this rigor.

For me, I do believe I’m willing to go down this path and develop the discipline. My challenge is not having the structure, guidance and process to begin with. I work best with a structured process that I can develop into habit. But starting out with so many different choices of tools, strategies and educational options, not being clear about what’s legit or not. It’s overwhelming to go down one path only to be disappointed with it or worse be distracted by some other perceived holy grail that you don’t even complete the first one.

Would you be willing to have a live conversation on this? I would sincerely value your perspective. On Skype at: kevinhpchan


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Is anyone still following Ray Freeman's Fast track program in 2021? Is it a good program to buy?

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