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It is very funny that almost everyone in this forum will require a live record whenever there is a discussion about trading vendors. Have you actually ask yourself that even if the vendor provides a valid positive trading record , will you come on to buy the vendor's product? Who cares one or two people will buy the their programs, other than you , there are bunch of people willing to buy they services. If I am a vendor, and somebody ask me to provide my trading records, I will just ignore this kind of request, it is a provocation to me.Who cares you buy or not.There are many trustable vendors who will not provide any records.You can just analyze their words when you communicate with them to judge if what they say is true.If you hope to see the trading records to see if his method works,that idea is too naive,who can make sure his method can make money in the past will continue to make money in the future?

Please list even one. (Then I'll ask, how did you verify there are even "trustable?")

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Please list even one. (Then I'll ask, how did you verify there are even "trustable?")

How much money you pay me if I list one?

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How much money you pay me if I list one?

What kind of response is that? You made a strong assertion "there are many trustable vendors"

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It is very funny that almost everyone in this forum will require a live record whenever there is a discussion about trading vendors. Have you actually ask yourself that even if the vendor provides a valid positive trading record , will you come on to buy the vendor's product? Who cares one or two people will buy the their programs, other than you , there are bunch of people willing to buy they services. If I am a vendor, and somebody ask me to provide my trading records, I will just ignore this kind of request, it is a provocation to me.Who cares you buy or not.There are many trustable vendors who will not provide any records.You can just analyze their words when you communicate with them to judge if what they say is true.If you hope to see the trading records to see if his method works,that idea is too naive,who can make sure his method can make money in the past will continue to make money in the future?

This is a pretty stupid statement. When you go to a doctor, you want to know that the person graduated from medical school and is accredited by the medical profession. When you bring your car into be serviced, you want to be sure that the people working on your car know what they're doing and can do the job. When you fly on a commercial airliner you want to have confidence that the plane is capable of flying and that the captain and crew are trained and competent.

When you buy the service of a trading vendor, it's logical to ask the vendor what proof he/she has that their methodology makes money. After all, that's why you're buying the service, right?? The only proof that a trading system vendor can offer is live performance in their own accounts or accounts of others who have followed him/her.

It's quite obvious you know this vendor. Don't hide behind a black curtain. Customers have a right to ask these questions and are entitled to an answer. You're asking for their money.

Seems to me you've been around here before????............. under another name????...............

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This is a pretty stupid statement. When you go to a doctor, you want to know that the person graduated from medical school and is accredited by the medical profession. When you bring your car into be serviced, you want to be sure that the people working on your car know what they're doing and can do the job. When you fly on a commercial airliner you want to have confidence that the plane is capable of flying and that the captain and crew are trained and competent.

When you buy the service of a trading vendor, it's logical to ask the vendor what proof he/she has that their methodology makes money. After all, that's why you're buying the service, right?? The only proof that a trading system vendor can offer is live performance in their own accounts or accounts of others who have followed him/her.

It's quite obvious you know this vendor. Don't hide behind a black curtain. Customers have a right to ask these questions and are entitled to an answer. You're asking for their money.

Seems to me you've been around here before????............. under another name????...............


Agreed. Really, the only reason for a vendor to get mad is if he has something to hide.


Although, I will admit, as a vendor, a few times I have gotten irked at people who, after I give them a track record, claim I am making it up, or state that it is not in their desired format, and therefore invalid.

Even with being transparent, you can't please everyone, I have found...

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This is a pretty stupid statement. When you go to a doctor, you want to know that the person graduated from medical school and is accredited by the medical profession. When you bring your car into be serviced, you want to be sure that the people working on your car know what they're doing and can do the job. When you fly on a commercial airliner you want to have confidence that the plane is capable of flying and that the captain and crew are trained and competent.

When you buy the service of a trading vendor, it's logical to ask the vendor what proof he/she has that their methodology makes money. After all, that's why you're buying the service, right?? The only proof that a trading system vendor can offer is live performance in their own accounts or accounts of others who have followed him/her.

It's quite obvious you know this vendor. Don't hide behind a black curtain. Customers have a right to ask these questions and are entitled to an answer. You're asking for their money.

Seems to me you've been around here before????............. under another name????...............

Then continue to ask a vendor to provide the records,I am sure one day you will find it(although it seems not one provides this)

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....When you fly on a commercial airliner you want to have confidence that the plane is capable of flying and that the captain and crew are trained and competent................




...oh boy!...don't get me started, much like many trading vendors lol! ...but not funny!

Johnny

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Agreed. Really, the only reason for a vendor to get mad is if he has something to hide.


Although, I will admit, as a vendor, a few times I have gotten irked at people who, after I give them a track record, claim I am making it up, or state that it is not in their desired format, and therefore invalid.

Even with being transparent, you can't please everyone, I have found...

The important thing is that you are a man of integrity. Who knows how people think - you give them the best you've got and rest is up to them. I wouldn't worry about it. If you pleased everyone - that would be suspicious!!

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I am sorry, but what a stupid post. @kevindog is 100% correct. If a credible vendors is one, you'll know. So far,
I have seen very few. The toughest thing is consistency in all markets types is hard. Being a vendor you must prove you are worthy, cost isn't the only price, time wasted must be one.
Just say no to this. Since when has a commodity become an indices? Yes, rook move !


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It is very funny that almost everyone in this forum will require a live record whenever there is a discussion about trading vendors. Have you actually ask yourself that even if the vendor provides a valid positive trading record , will you come on to buy the vendor's product? Who cares one or two people will buy the their programs, other than you , there are bunch of people willing to buy they services. If I am a vendor, and somebody ask me to provide my trading records, I will just ignore this kind of request, it is a provocation to me.Who cares you buy or not.There are many trustable vendors who will not provide any records.You can just analyze their words when you communicate with them to judge if what they say is true.If you hope to see the trading records to see if his method works,that idea is too naive,who can make sure his method can make money in the past will continue to make money in the future?


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