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Based on feedback from MB, I have decided to remove the majority of my original review.

My primary complaint was that it was difficult for me to determine what he was doing from the videos. While it wasn't the focus on my review, I felt the process for revoking my membership was short circuited. I had a strong day on the day my membership was revoked. I had a strong day in live and on simulated accounts and I sent or offered to send MB a trade blotter demonstrating it. However, he claimed he didn't receive it. Based on some of his personal feedback, I decided to remove this review because as a developing trader I do not need any sort of distraction or negativity in my life.

In the original review, I recommended if anyone were interested to learn what he was doing that they should make their own personal assessment and not rely on my review because, while honest, it was based on limited experience.

I have now unsubscribed from this thread and will not be following going forward.

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SMB is a quite respectable prop firm and they have nice things like Friday ask me anything sessions, however I think their training is way overpriced. They do run some in house training I believe, but still cost tons of money. Also, they were announcing a Futures trade desk lead by Ben Greene (Market Structure and Flow) but never heard anything of this anymore.

I attended some of their Friday sessions which are good for your development if you're looking to ask questions and hear from prop traders, but it ain't gonna make you profitable.

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I don't know whether they are top or not, but they are well known in the industry by looking at the people that refer them. They have good references from e.g. other prop firms and well known educators. I agree that their education is not something special. that is why I think it's overpriced. their main advantage is that they are a prop firm and their experiences. however experience is somewhat questionable since markets change all the time. I guess if you're talking about mindset they could teach you a lesson or two.

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I was made aware of the sour claims of the OP on this thread yesterday, and I woke up today knowing that I had to stand up for the truth on this matter today, so that is what I've done here. As a member of the slack room for over a year, I have a very good idea of what goes on there.

The OP was not received well in the room. The OP refused to follow clearly laid out rules of the room - even after Merritt warned him several times. Here is a sample of his first (and last) day in the room:


Even notice how relieved the room was when the OP was removed (by their emojis).

As I mentioned, watching Merritt for over a year trade each and every day, I can't speak highly enough of his transparency, willingness to help others, and the quality of the community he is building.

Here's the recorded session of him trading on this same day the OP was kicked:

Here's a weekly review session he did with a student and Dr. Brett Steenbarger later that same afternoon!:



Merritt is doing a wonderful job. He is an excellent trader. He is a very good coach. He trades at a well regarded prop firm. For compliance purposes none of the traders at SMB ever show their size - not the equities guys, and not the futures guys. For this reason he doesn't show his actual execution screen. You can not trade live in front of a very smart group of traders which includes ex floor traders, other prop professionals, and full time independent traders every day for years and not be damn good at what you do. There is a reason there are 103 people there and a thriving community. There is a reason Dr. Steenbarger would be a part of what he is building at SMB.

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First of all, dear writer, were you expecting this to be a trade call service room or a place for showing off how nice your charts were?

I am in the room for many months, and I have also been Merritt's student for 1,5 months of private mentoring sessions.
Have to say I have never been so close to consistency as after been mentored by Merritt. Yes, i am still not quite there, but he helped me a lot to structure what I knew by that time, adding absolutely second to none experience to read context and define areas and spots for taking action, working on process etc.
I have been to many-many courses and rooms, and almost everything is just BS, either moderated by someone not even trading himself, or simply sharing some random lines, channels etc. Merritt's room is actually the one lead by a pro trader, trading live, and populated by traders with decent experience. It's a room where people trade different styles, some of them are/were mentored by MB and trading his approach, they have a separate room for sharing pre-market analysis, others have different approaches, most of them, who post regular basis, are outstanding traders - havent seen their PnL statement, but judging their patience, entries and trade management.

When you talk about live session's chart and his trade calls, then instead of flagging your 500 profit, you should have listened, and then you'd understand that chart he is sharing is not the one he is trading off of. And having seen whats Merritt is actually looking at, it's very very far from whats available to public. Again, every trader in this room trades his own way, if youd like to know how Merritt does that, you have this opportunity, just put aside some profits from a few such fabulous days as you mentioned.

What is the most important about these sessions, is that a pro trader showing live that its actually possible to take money out the market and do it in calm and nice manner. Yes, agree that one should always take trading room trades with grain of salt, but having paid for private sessions and seen actual executions, not just arrows on youtube videos, have to say this is the most serious guy i have met on my thorny path of trading education.

To wrap it up, if you have something to share, analysis, trade setups etc, you are welcome, but have some respect to other members, and express yourself in a manner different from what you got banned for. If you want to learn - welcome as well, but be prepared to spend more than 7usd per month.

Was trying NOT to make this review too positive to avoid flooding the room with too many passive readers and similar sceptics, but, at the end of the day, amongst them there will surely be some experienced and active guys who will contribute to our mutual benefit... and Merritt will ban the rest.

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I have been a member of the SMB Futures room for over a year and have watched Merritt call winning trades and losing trades. It's real with no boasting. The room has rules and if anyone doesn't follow the rules they probably won't last the day. It hasn't happened often but the members are happy to see the offender go. Having monitored other rooms that call trades in hindsight, get angry when anyone questions the hindsight trade, and so on, the SMB room is a welcome change. There are also other competent traders who are members that post their ideas throughout the day. I would say the room is more about sharing trade ideas than calling trades as we all need to develop our own methodology. I will leave it at that.

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I am also a member in the Slack-room, I never had ANY problems...

I first read the rules and the rules are clear: If U post a trade or a trade idea, you also have to post WHY, so others can learn or understand the reason why you took it...

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I use a diffrent system : cycles combined with price action. Not the Volume profile like them.

I felt very welcome and appreciated.

When I posted things, I explained my reason/context. I don't know any other room so open to diffrent people/systems. 4+8=12 but 7+5 also 10+2 too.

I won't change mine, it works fine 4 me, but I'm always open to learn from others how they are working/processing. If you're open-minded U always learn something.

The Slack room has a added value 2 me. It's not about the ego , but the process

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I'm not sure if i should start a new thread or post on this one, but since i believe it is presented by the individual mentioned in the OP's post, Meritt Black via SMB. I am looking to see if anyone has done the market profile course, and what has been their experience if they shelled out the massive $1450 for it.

https://smbcapital.lpages.co/smb-futures-training/

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I have been following a lot of the videos posted by SMB and SMB Futures and see a lot of value in their presentations. I am in need of a new chat room that is not populated with a ton of noise and distraction. Has anyone else joined their slack room or does anyone else have another perspective they could share,

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I have been following a lot of the videos posted by SMB and SMB Futures and see a lot of value in their presentations. I am in need of a new chat room that is not populated with a ton of noise and distraction. Has anyone else joined their slack room or does anyone else have another perspective they could share,

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I have been following a lot of the videos posted by SMB and SMB Futures and see a lot of value in their presentations. I am in need of a new chat room that is not populated with a ton of noise and distraction. Has anyone else joined their slack room or does anyone else have another perspective they could share,

I joined out of curiosity after seeing a webinar of his. He trades predominantly Crude Oil as do most of the people there, plus a few NQ or ES traders.
Merritt plus a lot of others post their premarket hypotheses, mostly based on Market Profile levels. It is usually fairly busy for the first couple of hours then dies off.
There are badges for Trusted people, SMB students/mentees. I have never been in a chatroom before and some people sound very competent but there is also a fair few new people shouting out their trades and asking really basic questions. There are multiple rooms though, one just for live market talk analysis then the other more general one. Merritt recently mentioned he has thought about banning trade calls, where people simple type in where they just goy long or short without any reasoning or analysis, which would be good. He is also strict and kicks people out at the drop of a hat if they are disrespectful or just repeatedly annoying.
Personally I am going to cancel after three months simply because I don't look at in real time, I usually read it the following day and found his recap videos interesting to watch but otherwise don't really use it.
Having said that though I think it is worth a look, especially if you trade Crude.
At the end of the day though, it will only cost you $7 a month so just try it and see.

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I joined out of curiosity after seeing a webinar of his. He trades predominantly Crude Oil as do most of the people there, plus a few NQ or ES traders.
Merritt plus a lot of others post their premarket hypotheses, mostly based on Market Profile levels. It is usually fairly busy for the first couple of hours then dies off.
There are badges for Trusted people, SMB students/mentees. I have never been in a chatroom before and some people sound very competent but there is also a fair few new people shouting out their trades and asking really basic questions. There are multiple rooms though, one just for live market talk analysis then the other more general one. Merritt recently mentioned he has thought about banning trade calls, where people simple type in where they just goy long or short without any reasoning or analysis, which would be good. He is also strict and kicks people out at the drop of a hat if they are disrespectful or just repeatedly annoying.
Personally I am going to cancel after three months simply because I don't look at in real time, I usually read it the following day and found his recap videos interesting to watch but otherwise don't really use it.
Having said that though I think it is worth a look, especially if you trade Crude.
At the end of the day though, it will only cost you $7 a month so just try it and see.


Hey Matthew,
thanks for the response. I have ended up joing and have found some positive take-aways from being in the SMB Futures Room. There more I can see how others do it and the more tricks of the trade (work ethic, accountability ect . . .) hopefully the better I will become.

I have only been in the SMB chat for a short time, so time may adjust my thoughts but it hasn't been a place for lively conversation. For the most part it is a repository for morning prep sheets and daily report cards with the occasional market discussion. I am glad I joined and will stay for a while longer hoping to glean more insight and contribute what I can.

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Iíve been a subscriber to the SMB Futures slack room for almost a year, at $7 per month there is definitely plenty of value there. As a member of the room itís up to each individual to get the most out of the room. Ask questions and seek answers.

From my experience in the room there is minimal input from senior traders and much of the time the room feels like itís the blind leading the blind. While Merritt does show his preps and trade ideaís from time to time there is no consistent format within the room as there is in other rooms. When I joined the room about a year ago, he was doing regular live streams and reviews, he no longer does this. At the start of 2019 he started doing regular end of day reviews, outlining trade ideaís and potential ways the day could be traded, this has also ceased. Sometimes he is very active in the room with reviews and trade ideaís and at other times he is almost totally absent and his contributions are minimal.

I also felt the room was continuously being used as a sales marketing tool for the SMB courses on offer. I consistently see quotes like: my students are killing it today or Iím proud of my current mentee class as they nailed it today.
When I asked simple questions on where a level came from I was often told it was a market profile level using various time-frames and that there was no easy way of explaining it, and all is explained in the MP and Mentee courses.

While these sort of comments are great too see, I feel itís all a sales pitch. I recently spoke to one of the menteeís who has completed the profile course and the mentee program and he tells me (at time of writing this) that non of the traineeís or menteeís are yet to consistently trade the firms capital. Most struggle to pass the tryout. This is worrying as my understanding is that more than 90 people have completed the mentoring group classes as offered by SMB Futures yet the two traders who are trading the firms capital did not come through the educational arm of SMB. This is a worry.
I certainly will not be paying the big money for these courses with that sort of strike rate.

For $7 per month itís certainly worth a look. Just be careful of the up-selling.

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Has anyone done SMB Futures Tryout? What FCM do they use? Are payments processed with no issues? Any other thoughts whether it is worth signing up for this program?

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After having a chance to review Merritt's daily CL prep reports & videos via subscription to the SMBF Chat/Trade room, I decided to purchase their Market Profile course (cost = $1,450). Yes sir, it is not cheap but I will chuck this down to the 'you get what you pay for' category. IMO, the levels Merritt shares are pretty darn good. Not a whole bunch of lines but, after reviewing a few months of these daily prep briefings, the levels are pretty accurate in providing market context and, in conjunction to his 'hypos' (i.e. plan a, plan b, plan c) commentary, quite actionable.

Overall, I am glad I pulled the trigger and purchased the course. The course was very informative, although if you are already a Market Profile student or trader, there are lots of information included with the course that you will already be familiar with such as Auction Market Theory (AMT), 'Poor Highs/Lows', POC, single prints, etc. However, my primary purpose in taking the course was to discover what methodology/techniques Merritt was using to create the levels he shares in the chat room daily prep videos/briefings.

In the course, Merritt explains in detail how he uses Market Profile to come up with his daily levels. Additionally, he goes to great lengths in explaining Market Dynamics and provides the '10 Laws of Market Dynamics' which I found to be very useful and applicable to day-to-day trading.

In conclusion, I believe that I was able to obtain the knowledge, and with practise, the skills to create my own daily levels and get a better feel of market context as a result of taking this course. SMBF also has a Futures Foundation Course which I am considering purchasing as well.

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P.S. BTW, if you are a Market Profile student of Dalton, Steidlmayer, and others, and feels 'Day Types' is what's it all about, you should be aware that Merritt does not subscribe to this concept at all and thinks day type is worthless, just FYI.

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Has anyone done SMB Futures Tryout? What FCM do they use? Are payments processed with no issues? Any other thoughts whether it is worth signing up for this program?

Hi @Sheen - for clarification, are you asking about the tryout experience, or, what happens after you pass the tryout?

The tryout experience is straight forward. I think their trading rules are reasonable. The firm is reputable. Splits are not as good as similar alternatives. If you pass the tryout, though, you're on their desk and not a lone wolf on your own. That means you'll get access to training and mentoring, which could be a significant benefit to someone's development as a trader.

For clarity, I am not on their desk, but, know someone who is. I have completed SMB Futures training and mentoring and it's superb.

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As a former SMB Futures mentee and owner of their courses, I'll rate Merritt and SMB Futures.

First, if a friend came to me and said they wanted to learn how to trade futures (CL or ES specifically), I'd tell them to forget about it - unless they were willing to go through the Futures Foundation program to learn. I do think it's that valuable.

There are a number of different courses available from SMB Futures. I think the only one worth doing is the Futures Foundation. The Market Profile course is good, but, it's only a single, small component to an overall trading methodology employed successfully by Merritt and other SMB traders. And, you get that as part of Futures Foundation. As @PilotTrader alluded, Merritt's approach to Market Profile is quite different than anything you'll get in the market. And, no, you can't find it on YouTube or reverse engineer it from any SMB videos. It's proprietary and the approach is legit.

Let me explain why Futures Foundation is likely the way to go.

Prior to the Futures Foundation course, Merritt offered a group mentoring program, which also included the Market Profile course as a pre-requisite to mentoring. It was during this program that we learned a complete approach to professional trading. This included full exposure to how Merritt evaluates long term bias, identifies key value areas, determines entry and exit criteria, etc. More importantly to me, we learned a programmatic approach for developing discipline in trading, which has resulted in a HUGE improvement to my trading. We also received group and personal coaching from a legitimate consistently profitable, professional trader.

The original group mentoring program was much more interactive in nature. Over the course of several months, we learned new principles each week that built upon one another. Our mentor sessions were part learning, part coaching. As the result of feedback from his students, myself included, Merritt created a video series that explained the learning component of his whole approach taught during mentoring. Futures Foundation has its roots in those mentoring sessions and brings all of that interactive education together into a single, consistent course - something I would have loved to have first so that I could have taken better advantage of the group coaching. (And, to be clear, I did NOT purchase the Futures Foundation course. I had already completed mentoring as well as the other pre-requisite courses and felt that the course content would be repetitive.)

SMB Futures training is not without its drawbacks. I found the chat room more distracting than helpful. I think everyone would value the chatroom differently, though. I don't like the distractions, but maybe others want to be connected while they trade. However, connecting with other traders who evaluate the market similarly outside of the chat room was superb. At the time, those meetings between students was highly encouraged and I have no indication that that would have changed.

Another negative for me was the lack of support around mindset. But, that's more of an unreasonable expectation on my part than a fault of SMB or Merritt or the program. The program gives a nod to psychology, but, I found the material too high level to be actionable for traders struggling with persistent mindset barriers. Merritt did not seem to weight psychological issues heavily or with great importance. I likely overweight mindset and trader psychology. But, if you're looking for that from the program, you probably won't find it. And, I would say that my best trading is beginning to happen now after completing a coaching program following my time mentoring with Merritt. The combination of those things are game changers for me.

As for Merritt himself - he is an excellent coach and teacher. He is appropriately encouraging when warranted, but, has absolutely no qualms about calling out your mistakes. He does this in a way that makes you want to be better and is not out to demean anyone at any time. He expects you to try and to work toward excellence.

Hopefully the context I provided gives people enough information to decide for themselves. I'm happy to answer questions publicly or privately.


PS: I am not currently a participant in the chat room and have no commercial connection to SMB Futures or Merritt Black.

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