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Collective2's Rod Casilli - Ask Me Anything (AMA)

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@Collective2 Rod,

Thanks for webinar,

From the investor interest:

1. How does the investor (someone who wants to invest capital into an automated trading system for ROI) verify or perform due diligence to prove that the automated trading systems being offered at C2 have actually made money in the past, and have a high odds of making money in the future? How do I trust the data on your website?

2. On C2 can I see other subscribers or investors broker statements as a due diligence? Or the developer broker statement?

Thank you kindly

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@Collective2 Rod,

Thanks for webinar,

From the investor interest:

1. How does the investor (someone who wants to invest capital into an automated trading system for ROI) verify or perform due diligence to prove that the automated trading systems being offered at C2 have actually made money in the past, and have a high odds of making money in the future? How do I trust the data on your website?

2. On C2 can I see other subscribers or investors broker statements as a due diligence? Or the developer broker statement?

Thank you kindly

First off, it is very important to point out that all results on C2 are hypothetical data. Even if, and when, a strategy is trading live capital and has subscribers also trading signals live, there are no two accounts (track records) that will ever be exactly the same.

Click here for more information on hypothetical results
Click here to learn How We Calculate Results

After reviewing these explanations, you're welcome to Join C2 using a free account. All users are able to view live fills for any strategy that has live AutoTraders. We also have a designation called Trades Own Strategy (TOS) which are signals received from a direct broker connection.

To view live fills:
Log-in and select Find Strategy (soon to be Discover Strategies)
Choose any strategy from the Leaderboard
On the strategy page, scroll down to Trading Record >> Click on Show Trade AutoTrade data
Click on the screen icon to view the broker and fill price for every trade.

Best,

rrc/

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First - thanks Rod for joining the fio community and giving detailed insight on C2.
I am following C2 since very long time - especially for automated trading strategies.
There has been a big improvement on your website which is much more professional
right now. Only drawback is - that one has to register and login - to get to all the traded
strategies now. Seems that all providers take this path.

Watching now your tempting offers for a system provider (you name it TradeLeaders) I need to point out:
• one has to register and pay a monthly fee (provider as well as client)
• you need some data moving/dispersing which is now possible over much more channels than before
• a TradeLeader can have own "monthly member fees" for a system from which you take out 30% (correct?)
• That above fee may cover some costs - but is never a real cash-back - especially for futures. Explanation:
If a signal provider is giving good signals, trading one car, and a "client" is trading dozen's - then first the
market at entry and exit of a trade is no longer the same and second - the sum of the gain is not divided properly.

Finally a thought about fio <-> C2:
There is a difficulty for every user - which gets into a conflict using both platforms.
If I would move to C2 making business with paying clients - I would need to close my 5+ year journals here
on fio, gaving free signals in advance - and all the followers needed either to pay on C2 or searching for
another free signal provider...
Fio members are not allowed to "sell" their systems and promote them on the platform. So no journal is
allowed in parallel.

Big Dilemma
Even @Big Mike could profit from a special new section on fio for paid signals in the elite section...
GFIs1

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What % of trade leaders have more then zero subscribers?

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Unanswered questions from webinar

Hi Rod,

Thanks for your webinar today, I found it very interesting. I had submitted several questions but only manged to get a response to one of them. Hoping you can look into them and respond. Thanks!

Q: Are you making the # of subscribers each trader leader has per month available? and if not why not?



Q: how many subscribers does this trade leader "simplicity trading" have right now?



Q: if you're a trade leader presenting to an investment club, in an attempt to attract subscribers, what stops them from only having one member pay for your signals, and then share them with the rest in the group? If an investor pays a flat fee and they can trade as many contracts as they want, it seems kind of unfair to the one who is actually generating the alpha. Am I missing something?



Q: Is there a way where I could only charge a fee to investors if I have a profitable month, and decline a fee if I have a negative month?

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What % of trade leaders have more then zero subscribers?

We don't publish a % of strategies with paid subscribers stat. Most strategies with at least 6 months of track record and positive results attract attention.

No information constitutes a recommendation by Collective2, its agents, affiliates, employees, or guest contributors, to buy, sell, or hold any security, financial product, or instrument mentioned or discussed herein or to engage in any specific trading or investment tactic or strategy. Online trading is risky. The risk of loss in online trading of futures, stocks, options, and foreign currency is substantial. All results on Collective2 are hypothetical data. Learn what this means
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What did everyone think of the webinar?

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
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Past Results and Strategies

So just moving thru the webinar late Rod, pretty interesting concept here btw. Very cool. My questions here are:

If a trader already has a track record with AMP or IB, etc. How would they provide or publish that track record out of the box at C2?

Also, I guess I am wondering why you would want traders to publish details about there strategies since this is a results based business? Why would an investor care what the strategy is or perhaps I misunderstood.

TIA

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What did everyone think of the webinar?

Mike

Well presented show, very interesting platform, will probably do the free trial at least.

What will be the FIO journal policy for anybody going beyond the free trial, will they be classed as vendors?

Or just treated more like those who do Topstep/other combines and/or become funded traders?

Cheers

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