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Hi dear futures traders
Anyone has experience using Tas Market Profile indicator? they are available on Bloomberg (where i first came across) then i use it for MT4 and now Tradestation. They got a price tag but i thought overall services and the indicators ( plus education on how to use and what to expect) has been at satisfaction. Wonder should i commit for longer term plan for some savings.

Any of you guys ever heard or used before? anything i should consider before i commit a longer term plan (>1year)??

your comment will be greatly appreciated.


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Hi dear futures traders
Anyone has experience using Tas Market Profile indicator? they are available on Bloomberg (where i first came across) then i use it for MT4 and now Tradestation. They got a price tag but i thought overall services and the indicators ( plus education on how to use and what to expect) has been at satisfaction. Wonder should i commit for longer term plan for some savings.

Any of you guys ever heard or used before? anything i should consider before i commit a longer term plan (>1year)??

your comment will be greatly appreciated.


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Hi Darren, I just recently subscribed for the TAS Boxes and TAS Vega indicators. Not sure why folks have not latched on to these indicators because these are probably the best trading indicators I have ever come across with...ever!. In the interest of full disclosure, I have only been trading TAS barely a month, so my opinion may change as I gain more experience trading using TAS. However, in the limited time I have used TAS boxes and vega, my results (on SIM of course) have been pretty impressive. Granted, I have added my own filters such as using the 21 EMA on multi-time frame to validate trend. More to follow as I gain more 'flight time'.

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Hi Darren, I just recently subscribed for the TAS Boxes and TAS Vega indicators. Not sure why folks have not latched on to these indicators because these are probably the best trading indicators I have ever come across with...ever!. In the interest of full disclosure, I have only been trading TAS barely a month, so my opinion may change as I gain more experience trading using TAS. However, in the limited time I have used TAS boxes and vega, my results (on SIM of course) have been pretty impressive. Granted, I have added my own filters such as using the 21 EMA on multi-time frame to validate trend. More to follow as I gain more 'flight time'.

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Trade real money and then give us your opinion...hopefully it works out for you.

Interesting post, somebody here instructing me to trade real money then give my opinion.

In as much as I like sharing my trading experiences, I think this will be my last post with regard to TAS. I was getting ready to post a few charts that I traded last week, on SIM, but I don't think so. If anybody desire to know more of my TAS experiences, please send me a private message, I would be happy to share with like-minded folks.



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Hi Darren, I just recently subscribed for the TAS Boxes and TAS Vega indicators. Not sure why folks have not latched on to these indicators because these are probably the best trading indicators I have ever come across with...ever!. In the interest of full disclosure, I have only been trading TAS barely a month, so my opinion may change as I gain more experience trading using TAS. However, in the limited time I have used TAS boxes and vega, my results (on SIM of course) have been pretty impressive. Granted, I have added my own filters such as using the 21 EMA on multi-time frame to validate trend. More to follow as I gain more 'flight time'.

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Wow, thats awesome. Glad that you find it useful too! I have been using for almost 2 years. Steve has been very helpful and knowledgeable, be sure to attend his weekly webinar to have him explained various use of Tas indicators.

Hopefully we get more Tas-er here and we can have a thread talking Tas.



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oh well... SIM or LIVE, both are Tas experience... Good luck to everyone using Tas indicators.... SIM or LIVE...
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Interesting post, somebody here instructing me to trade real money then give my opinion.

In as much as I like sharing my trading experiences, I think this will be my last post with regard to TAS. I was getting ready to post a few charts that I traded last week, on SIM, but I don't think so. If anybody desire to know more of my TAS experiences, please send me a private message, I would be happy to share with like-minded folks.



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nobody is instructing you to do anything....trading sim does not equate to trading real money, so your experience with your indicators will most likely be much different.

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...trading sim does not equate to trading real money...

Duh!


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Duh!


no need to be rude buddy! Do you plan on trading live with your TAS?...if you do then we would love to hear about it when it happens.

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oh well... SIM or LIVE, both are Tas experience... Good luck to everyone using Tas indicators.... SIM or LIVE...
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Very good Darren. Thanks for the heads up. Very wise starting a journal, looking forward to reviewing your progress.


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Hi dear futures traders
Anyone has experience using Tas Market Profile indicator? they are available on Bloomberg (where i first came across) then i use it for MT4 and now Tradestation. They got a price tag but i thought overall services and the indicators ( plus education on how to use and what to expect) has been at satisfaction. Wonder should i commit for longer term plan for some savings.

Any of you guys ever heard or used before? anything i should consider before i commit a longer term plan (>1year)??

your comment will be greatly appreciated.


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Hi

TAS boxes and indicators have been around for some time, unless I'm mistaken if its the same original vendor back in 2008-2009 when the markets tanked, TAS indicators didn't work well.

From memory they were also trying to get me to invest on one of their managed funds using their methodology, I didn't and was grateful, in a short period of time they had lost a lot of money, never used them since.

If its not the same TAS I'll stand corrected, but the boxes, indicators and everything looks how it was back then.

Trade you own method so you understand how it works not someone else's.

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Hi

TAS boxes and indicators have been around for some time, unless I'm mistaken if its the same original vendor back in 2008-2009 when the markets tanked, TAS indicators didn't work well.

From memory they were also trying to get me to invest on one of their managed funds using their methodology, I didn't and was grateful, in a short period of time they had lost a lot of money, never used them since.

If its not the same TAS I'll stand corrected, but the boxes, indicators and everything looks how it was back then.

Trade you own method so you understand how it works not someone else's.

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Couldnt agree more, the indicator itself merely a tool to help you as a technical identifier. As we all know, by now, or sooner or later, that indicator is just a small part of trading success. Risk/money management, psychology, Persistency & Consistency, personality/grit so many factors that contribute to a successful trading...

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Hi

TAS boxes and indicators have been around for some time, unless I'm mistaken if its the same original vendor back in 2008-2009 when the markets tanked, TAS indicators didn't work well.

From memory they were also trying to get me to invest on one of their managed funds using their methodology, I didn't and was grateful, in a short period of time they had lost a lot of money, never used them since.

If its not the same TAS I'll stand corrected, but the boxes, indicators and everything looks how it was back then.

Trade you own method so you understand how it works not someone else's.

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Now you reminded me that last year or the year before they do offer some Beta testing group to participate a trading signal program, either you have your broker ( only Daniel Tradings i remember) to enter trade for you base on the signal "automatically" or you get the signal then you decide whether or not you will trade it.
Not sure how it is doing now, i didnt take up because i thought i wanted to have my own way to interpreting and formulating my own signal.

Good to see more people who have came across Tas Market Profile to share. Thanks again.



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Now you reminded me that last year or the year before they do offer some Beta testing group to participate a trading signal program, either you have your broker ( only Daniel Tradings i remember) to enter trade for you base on the signal "automatically" or you get the signal then you decide whether or not you will trade it.

Not sure how it is doing now, i didnt take up because i thought i wanted to have my own way to interpreting and formulating my own signal.



Good to see more people who have came across Tas Market Profile to share. Thanks again.







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Hi All,
I have traded TAS indicators 7-suite indicators and this is my experience.

TAS Boxes & Vega are cool, the indicators can work together to provide good entry (using Boxes levels) good step method (using BOX levels again), good target using TAS Vega exhaustion signals, yet the rest are quite not useful.
Second part is it mainly fits in larger timeframes for swing trading, day trading is not good using TAS.

Third, after reading BOXes & Vega for a couple of months, I discovered that I can really do without them using normal Market profile indicators with a specific lookback (1day,2day) they would provide very similar levels as it's all MP, thus I don't want to pay all that money (it's quite expensive for TAS) while I can get it almost free.
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Hi All,
I have traded TAS indicators 7-suite indicators and this is my experience.

TAS Boxes & Vega are cool, the indicators can work together to provide good entry (using Boxes levels) good step method (using BOX levels again), good target using TAS Vega exhaustion signals, yet the rest are quite not useful.
Second part is it mainly fits in larger timeframes for swing trading, day trading is not good using TAS.

Third, after reading BOXes & Vega for a couple of months, I discovered that I can really do without them using normal Market profile indicators with a specific lookback (1day,2day) they would provide very similar levels as it's all MP, thus I don't want to pay all that money (it's quite expensive for TAS) while I can get it almost free.
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Good to hear from you! thanks for the comment. you are pretty straight to the point and i did find out for example, trading 1hour chart i can sort of guess it right many times how the box looks like, with a N-bars look back on normal market profile, usually 5-8bars since the lookback variance of the indicator is 7.
Also, MACD does looks alike to navigator, and lastly vega is just visual aid nothing specifically technical.
i m trying to get more understanding on how the exhaustion warning come about, which i often make use as a filter of my trading.

it is not cheap at few hundreds a month depends on your package. thats why it take a lot from me to decide if i were to commit long term

Thanks and hope to see more comments!


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the thing to keep in mind this stuff came of the Bloomberg terminal . every think they have was developed for swing trading. they now have moved on to most platforms, and shifted there marketing in the direction of day traders . there stuff does not work well for that. it is also very over priced . they give it to Bloomberg users for free all but the scanner. i say thumbs down on T.A.S.

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Yes very overpriced for a market profile indicator, the scanner is useful but for a daytrader who focuses on 1-2 instruments it's useless, may be a swing trader would benefit from it


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the thing to keep in mind this stuff came of the Bloomberg terminal . every think they have was developed for swing trading. they now have moved on to most platforms, and shifted there marketing in the direction of day traders . there stuff does not work well for that. it is also very over priced . they give it to Bloomberg users for free all but the scanner. i say thumbs down on T.A.S.

I notice too! they have been coming out with additional features and it does like you say looks like more toward day trading on equities particularly US equities, whether or not they are good on day trtading i m not sure.

i trade swing timeframe myself and i first come across Tas from using Bloomberg, but that was during my previous job, I find it helpful in a way. so without Bloomberg, i got to subscribe Tas.


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I notice too! they have been coming out with additional features and it does like you say looks like more toward day trading on equities particularly US equities, whether or not they are good on day trtading i m not sure.

i trade swing timeframe myself and i first come across Tas from using Bloomberg, but that was during my previous job, I find it helpful in a way. so without Bloomberg, i got to subscribe Tas.


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were you able to back test there vega algo on Bloomberg.

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Yes very overpriced for a market profile indicator, the scanner is useful but for a daytrader who focuses on 1-2 instruments it's useless, may be a swing trader would benefit from it


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you better have a large account . there scanner and indicator package is 500.00 a month. that is 6000.00 a year , meaning you would need to make 10% on a 60,000 account just to pay for that. that is why they move to day traders. they are targeting new traders, who think there stuff my be the grail. it is far from it.

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you better have a large account . there scanner and indicator package is 500.00 a month. that is 6000.00 a year , meaning you would need to make 10% on a 60,000 account just to pay for that. that is why they move to day traders. they are targeting new traders, who think there stuff my be the grail. it is far from it.



Recently they have released a day Trader tool called the Edge, which is much less than that focused on ES daytrader, but it's basically a breadth indicator of the stocks who are above/below the VAH & VAL of the volume profile, it's useful but it cannot be your chosen tool to day trade the ES.


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Recently they have released a day Trader tool called the Edge, which is much less than that focused on ES daytrader, but it's basically a breadth indicator of the stocks who are above/below the VAH & VAL of the volume profile, it's useful but it cannot be your chosen tool to day trade the ES.


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i know there are someone ( not verified ) overheard from other Tas users during one of the webinar ( when we can got a separate tab to chat with everyone else off topic ) using the "cross-over" signal of number of companies trading above respective value area vs number of companies trading below respective value area, or vice versa; to trade ES.

if you can imagine, i thought is quite interesting but again, i have not verified this.

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were you able to back test there vega algo on Bloomberg.

Hi i didnt manage to backtest, i was not well literate in that area and i was not given full time on that bloomberg machine. it was shared among a team of us.

i did ask and many others asked similar question to the educator, his answer was kinda tricky. Because a big part of this determined by how you manage your stop, from initial stop using either HVA/POC/LVA and subsequently trailing stop using new boxes reference level or drill down to shorter timeframe for boxes reference; it become very difficult to backtest. Even for himself, he manage his stop base on experience.

so that was kinda his answer to your question, if i remember correctly.

my experience is, you definitely need to work out ur way to filter entry and manage stops. very personal and i m still learning my way.


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Hi i didnt manage to backtest, i was not well literate in that area and i was not given full time on that bloomberg machine. it was shared among a team of us.

i did ask and many others asked similar question to the educator, his answer was kinda tricky. Because a big part of this determined by how you manage your stop, from initial stop using either HVA/POC/LVA and subsequently trailing stop using new boxes reference level or drill down to shorter timeframe for boxes reference; it become very difficult to backtest. Even for himself, he manage his stop base on experience.

so that was kinda his answer to your question, if i remember correctly.

my experience is, you definitely need to work out ur way to filter entry and manage stops. very personal and i m still learning my way.


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agree but when you have to play with filters and stops why pay 300.00 a month for that. you can do that on a moving average cross.

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agree but when you have to play with filters and stops why pay 300.00 a month for that. you can do that on a moving average cross.

yeah definitely... i have tried using various simple indicators when i first started and i ended with Fibonacci and candlestick pattern on equities CFD ( not avail in US) and Forex. i came to a stage where i stop losing money but i hardly make money -__- then i move on to Futures and Tas at the same time, introduced by a friend who is a fixed income trader for a sovereign fund. He used Tas for longer term on bloomberg at work (which doesnt cost him a penny, damn)

i do not tend to complicated stuff but moving averages doesnt make sense to me on commodities chart in my time frame. Personally I would prefer moving average setups for long term stock markets strategy. and i like commodities and i like swing timeframe which i think the velocity suit my personality, and hopefully the "business volume" is able to generate cash flow on quarterly basic. i wish i know other platform earlier which give me tools to analyse market profile/vol profile etc but Tas first came in my world and occupy a place till now. the first year using Tas i have turn my p/l around. I am finishing my 2nd year and i think i m improving. at this stage I cant take away Tas because i have a rather systematic approach using it. I am exploring Stage5 and investorRT, maybe one day i will survive without Tas and i will be happy to see that. I dont like having paid and being dependent on Tas.

anyone has any idea any other platform has market profile tool similar to Tas? Thank you for sharing.


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Interesting post, somebody here instructing me to trade real money then give my opinion.

In as much as I like sharing my trading experiences, I think this will be my last post with regard to TAS. I was getting ready to post a few charts that I traded last week, on SIM, but I don't think so. If anybody desire to know more of my TAS experiences, please send me a private message, I would be happy to share with like-minded folks.



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If you're not trading live then you're not trading. Go play poker with matchsticks.

How cruel! Lol to some folks here, ha, ha, ha!

Already passed my step 1 TST combine by simply trading my TAS strategies actually, now on the step 2 stage. Wish me luck kind sir.

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How cruel! Lol to some folks here, ha, ha, ha!

Already passed my step 1 TST combine by simply trading my TAS strategies actually, now on the step 2 stage. Wish me luck kind sir.

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I am with you.
First you need to be successful sim and then switch to live trading.



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I am with you.
First you need to be successful sim and then switch to live trading.



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Sim does not teach you the psychology you need to be successful in live trading.

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Sim does not teach you the psychology you need to be successful in live trading.

You are right but if you fail in sim trading you will fail in live trading for sure.
If you are successful in sim trading then its higher oods to be successful in live trading too.

You can't get with one step from failed sim trader to successful live trader.

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Go play poker with matchsticks.

Lemons: I raise you 5 matchsticks and half a chopstick. Full house dude! Lol.


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You are right but if you fail in sim trading you will fail in live trading for sure.
If you are successful in sim trading then its higher oods to be successful in live trading too.

You can't get with one step from failed sim trader to successful live trader.

I don't discount sim has a place, however, it also has inherent problems, such as most people trading sim are too relaxed about their rules and take trades they shouldn't because there's no financial stress in the trade. You loose $500, it doesn't matter, you make $1000 you feel good but it doesn't matter. There is a major difference between sim trading and system development also. People often get these confused. Sim trading was first made available for traders to learn the platform. If you are trading sim for more than a month, then that's pretty useless because you become complacent with sim and as soon as you go live your world will collapse, slippage, bad fills, costs, etc. Go live as soon as you can with a small account and managed risk.

People saying how good they trade and rave about their indicators yet they are on sim, is simply a joke. You will learn far more from live trading than sim. Its a fact.

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Lemons: I raise you 5 matchsticks and half a chopstick. Full house dude! Lol.


Post your trade journal?

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Post your trade journal?

If you're not trading live then you're not trading. Go play poker with matchsticks.

Oh, okay. So, you are interested in my trade journal, the one you disparagingly advised to "Play poker with match sticks"? Really? Well, I am truly honored! But what value is that to you from somebody so inept and dumb like me, a SIM non-trader?

Nah, I don't think so sir but I will share this, all trades done on auto trade mode! No emotions required.

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Oh, okay. So, you are interested in my trade journal, the one you disparagingly advised to "Play poker with match sticks"? Really? Well, I am truly honored! But what value is that to you from somebody so inept and dumb like me, a SIM non-trader?

Nah, I don't think so sir but I will share this, all trades done on auto trade mode! No emotions required.

Have a nice day!



Oooolll , so emotional, no wonder you are still on sim...lmao. You probably want to work on that average loss metric.

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Oooolll , so emotional, no wonder you are still on sim...lmao. You probably want to work on that average loss metric.

Oh Global, your too smart of me! Have a nice life dude! And thank you for encouraging words you share here on this forum.

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Oh Global, your too smart of me! Have a nice life dude! And thank you for encouraging words you share here on this forum.

Sayōnara baby, I've got a plane to fly now.

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Is that a real plane or a simulator?

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, however, it also has inherent problems, such as most people trading sim are too relaxed about their rules and ...

As you mentioned sim trading is not a problem.
People are the problem because they don't take sim trading seriously.

I started out day 1 with live trading and that I learned :
- I didn't no how do trade.
- I didn't have a discipline to follow my plan
- I losed lot of money.

I would have got same lessons learned starting with sim trading.
But without losing lot of money.

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Does any one know the algorithm that runs the TAS?

Perhaps we can code it for cheaper usage.

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