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 vont 
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Greetings to all my highly esteemed
professional traders:

I am just thinking out loud and hoping it won't upset Mr. Boulter or
too many owners, vendors, gurus, trading schools and truly consistently
profitable traders et all.

It is very sad that there have been many learning how to trade students complaining,
many even shouting, rightly or wrongly, frauds practised by a handful in the
coaching and teaching fields.

I also often wonder, if it is even prudent, if some trading gurus, coaches or educational entities
would just tell those students wishing to learn how to become consistently profitable traders that....

ok, tell you all what....

I AND MY TEAM MEMBERS KNOW THAT WE ARE GOOD FOR THE MONEY,
AND WE ARE MORE THAN COMPETENT IN HELPING YOU ALL EAGER BEAVERS
TO ALSO BECOME CONSISTENTLY PROFITABLE TRADERS IN DUE TIME AND IN DUE COURSE....

YOU ALL CAN COME AND SIT AND WATCH ME AND MY TEAM TRADE LIVE OR SIM, IT DOES NOT
MATTER MUCH AT THIS STAGE, OR YOU CAN EVEN PARTICIPATE IN OUR DECISION MAKING
PR0CESSES IN PICKING AND EXECUTING A POTENTIAL SETUP OR TRADE.

Y'LL DO NOT HAVE TO PAY US ANYTHING FOR NOW.

IT IS GETTING TO KNOW YOU, ME AND US PERIOD.

JUST TRADE ALONG WITH US, CALL BY CALL AND TRADE BY TRADE,
TRYING EVERYTHING OUT FOR PROPER SIZE AND FIT, SO TO SPEAK.


And after a reality trial period, of a week or two or a month or two, whatever
mutually agreed upon,

then and only then, if you are confident and convinced that what we
do and what you see every session is something that you personally are convinced
that whatever we have been demonstrating would help you to become a better and
more consistently profitable trader, then.... paid up.

More importantly, if and when, for whatever reasons, we can not generate positive
income to show you live and up-close; we would be most probably too humiliated and
too ashamed to ask any of you for compensation!

You would think, right? LOL

There are a few other more potent ideas but I'll take a break for now
to give everyone a breather, while I prepare to take cover in one of the siloes. LOL

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Greetings to all my highly esteemed
professional traders:

I am just thinking out loud and hoping it won't upset Mr. Boulter or
too many owners, vendors, gurus, trading schools and truly consistently
profitable traders et all.

It is very sad that there have been many learning how to trade students complaining,
many even shouting, rightly or wrongly, frauds practised by a handful in the
coaching and teaching fields.

I also often wonder, if it is even prudent, if some trading gurus, coaches or educational entities
would just tell those students wishing to learn how to become consistently profitable traders that....

ok, tell you all what....

I AND MY TEAM MEMBERS KNOW THAT WE ARE GOOD FOR THE MONEY,
AND WE ARE MORE THAN COMPETENT IN HELPING YOU ALL EAGER BEAVERS
TO ALSO BECOME CONSISTENTLY PROFITABLE TRADERS IN DUE TIME AND IN DUE COURSE....

YOU ALL CAN COME AND SIT AND WATCH ME AND MY TEAM TRADE LIVE OR SIM, IT DOES NOT
MATTER MUCH AT THIS STAGE, OR YOU CAN EVEN PARTICIPATE IN OUR DECISION MAKING
PR0CESSES IN PICKING AND EXECUTING A POTENTIAL SETUP OR TRADE.

Y'LL DO NOT HAVE TO PAY US ANYTHING FOR NOW.

IT IS GETTING TO KNOW YOU, ME AND US PERIOD.

JUST TRADE ALONG WITH US, CALL BY CALL AND TRADE BY TRADE,
TRYING EVERYTHING OUT FOR PROPER SIZE AND FIT, SO TO SPEAK.


And after a reality trial period, of a week or two or a month or two, whatever
mutually agreed upon,

then and only then, if you are confident and convinced that what we
do and what you see every session is something that you personally are convinced
that whatever we have been demonstrating would help you to become a better and
more consistently profitable trader, then.... paid up.

More importantly, if and when, for whatever reasons, we can not generate positive
income to show you live and up-close; we would be most probably too humiliated and
too ashamed to ask any of you for compensation!

You would think, right? LOL

There are a few other more potent ideas but I'll take a break for now
to give everyone a breather, while I prepare to take cover in one of the siloes. LOL


Your idea would wipe out probably 90% of the "education" providers out there. But many of those fake "gurus" belong in jail anyhow, so that is a good thing!!!

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Why don't you just post the stats from your live account for the past year? That would cover a lot of territory.

I'm always curious why people start these rooms. If you're making money trading, why bother? It seems like it would be distracting and tedious to run one of these rooms.

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Why don't you just post the stats from your live account for the past year? That would cover a lot of territory.

I'm always curious why people start these rooms. If you're making money trading, why bother? It seems like it would be distracting and tedious to run one of these rooms.

You know the answer to this: most who run trading rooms can't or don't trade!

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You know the answer to this: most who run trading rooms can't or don't trade!

True enough! That's why the stats from a live account would mean a lot more than psycho babble in a trade room.

Can you imagine a brain surgeon with a bunch a students around him/her during every surgery?

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True enough! That's why the stats from a live account would mean a lot more than psycho babble in a trade room.

Can you imagine a brain surgeon with a bunch a students around him/her during every surgery?

Not sure I follow your last question... many surgery rooms have galleries for spectators/students...

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Not sure I follow your last question... many surgery rooms have galleries for spectators/students...

What I was referring to was direct teaching during surgery - where the residents are actually with the surgeon.

I personally don't like teaching - always got out of it in graduate school. Can't imagine teaching trading!

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@vont
No idea who Mr Boulter is, but; why would trading educators etc give it all away for free when they have a continuous stream of people prepared to pay. Even if they were profitable and opened up their rooms for free and called out the trades a large proportion of the people in the room wouldn’t follow along. They wouldn’t follow because their temperament might not match the educator’s style so after some losses they won’t take the winning trade, or after a couple of losing days they will decide they are going to add an indicator based filter because then they will be able to reduce the losses but still catch all the winners. Or they will have a couple of good days and then get greedy and over leverage because they have discovered the Holy Grail and want to be a millionaire by the end of the year.

You can just look at the original Turtle Traders experiment where you have the dream ticket of successful traders teaching an exact rule based system that is proven to work and they are funding you with their money they made trading so you have proof it works and no risk. Yet still a number of those Turtle’s couldn’t follow the rules or make money.

Or the flip side as was said above, the educators weren’t or aren’t any longer profitable and a room is easy money, especially if you run a room and also sell lots of indicators that Joe Blow thinks will make them rich.

You say your futures experience is advanced, so obviously you are consistently profitable, like all the other people on this forum who have Advanced experience. After all there is only one purpose to trading and that is to make money so nobody can be an advanced trader if they aren’t doing that one easily definable prerequisite. So open a room for people to watch you trade and I am sure you will have a lot of very grateful traders very quickly. You also get some extra ‘pocket money’ from the money they happily pay. A win-win all round.

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You say your futures experience is advanced, so obviously you are consistently profitable, like all the other people on this forum who have Advanced experience.


This made me chuckle. If only "consistent profits" flowed from "advanced experience"...

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@Phantomtrade:

What I was referring to was direct teaching during surgery - where the residents are actually with the surgeon.
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Can you imagine a brain surgeon with a bunch a students around him/her during every surgery?True enough!
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True enough! That's why the stats from a live account would mean a lot more than psycho babble in a trade room.
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@kevinkdog

You know the answer to this: most who run trading rooms can't or don't trade!
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@phantomtrader

Why don't you just post the stats from your live account for the past year? That would cover a lot of territory.

I'm always curious why people start these rooms. If you're making money trading, why bother? It seems like it would be distracting and tedious to run one of these rooms.
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@mathew28

....why would trading educators etc give it all away for free when they have a continuous stream of people prepared to pay. Even if they were profitable and opened up their rooms for free and called out the trades a large proportion of the people in the room wouldn’t follow along.

They wouldn’t follow because their temperament might not match the educator’s style so after some losses they won’t take the winning trade, or after a couple of losing days they will decide they are going to add an indicator based filter because then they will be able to reduce the losses but still catch all the winners....
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My highly esteemed trading FIO friends:

You guys really came up with exceptional observations and comments
and all of them right on the bull's eye. Great knowledge and experiences, indeed.

To respond to all your good and valid points would perhaps take several pages and
countless hours of positioning, just how best to answer all your questions without
having to cast doubt or encroaching on someone's trading sovereignty. It is tough,
I must admit humbly.

Well, alright.

In lieu of responding directly to all your questions. Let's watch this rather old and sagging trading video
and see if it would fill in some cracks along the way, to at the very least addressing some of our
major concerns, doubts and disenchantment with some of the most distinct possibilities
in trading and coaching, which is within our reach, only if we stretch out just a little further.

But then, mind you, I am fully aware that it is not and it can not be every consistently
profitable trader's cup of tea.

But then again, shouldn't we as very intelligent, successful and elite FIO traders of sort,
explore some of the existing distinct possibilities with open mind?

Humbly submitting; only, for your viewing pleasures without any trading value of any kind
implied or otherwise.

https://www.screencast.com/t/BQiyX2Idv

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"But then again, shouldn't we as very intelligent, successful and elite FIO traders of sort,
explore some of the existing distinct possibilities with open mind? "

No. Either you can do it or you can't. One video does not a trader make. Post the results of your live account. That's the only evidence which counts. The results of your live account will show whether you have an edge or not.

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"But then again, shouldn't we as very intelligent, successful and elite FIO traders of sort,
explore some of the existing distinct possibilities with open mind? "

No. Either you can do it or you can't. One video does not a trader make. Post the results of your live account. That's the only evidence which counts. The results of your live account will show whether you have an edge or not.

5 5 5

L O L

u can convince a man/lady

against his/her will,

he/she is the same unchanged still....

5 5 5

L O L

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5 5 5

L O L

u can convince a man/lady

against his/her will,

he/she is the same unchanged still....

5 5 5

L O L


Psycho babble. Thanks for playing.

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Psycho babble. Thanks for playing.

Thx phantomtrader

L O L

Here is another clip captured just
for the man in reno, phantomtrader

All FIO traders, enjoy also!

By the way, am still in that trade
with only half on the better odds than
blackjack table

L O L !

BUT AS YOU can probably see from your own chart
that buyers are just lining up at the gate now....
but not yet ready to risk anything as yet at the moment....

Got to close it out fairly soon, chow everyone

Have a profitable trading session everybody


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I wanted to say sa-yo-na-ra

but crude just won't let me

Choneni Elohim

L O L

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https://www.screencast.com/t/7DF1BfbcTqv


Have a great remaining trading session everyone.

Got to keep that date with the succulent Peking Duck, vegetarian style.

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This made me chuckle. If only "consistent profits" flowed from "advanced experience"...

You clearly realised I was being sarcastic, but for people flicking through this thread in the future, in case it was unclear; my last paragraph was tongue in cheek.

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Psycho babble. Thanks for playing.

Just for you, my friend.

Have a fun and profitable trading day, K?

It is getting late here, got to check on kids.

Enjoy at my expense, K? L O L

Yes, affirmative, just captured momentarily,
just a few moment ago. Thought you might
enjoy it. Chow.

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