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I forget who it was, but they're up there consistently / won the monthly prize a few times. Perhaps it was mrgekko? Help us out DionysusToast.

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I forget who it was, but they're up there consistently / won the monthly prize a few times. Perhaps it was mrgekko? Help us out DionysusToast.

I doubt DT is willing to tell and it probably doesn't benefit that 'top of the list' trader to share any information, which I believe he probably has agreed to not share these proprietary techniques.

The biggest risk in seeing Gary is finding out his style doesn't fit you.

There are concepts that I have wanted to understand. I have had some good conversations with members here in PM about them:

(1) How to define value

(2) How to put together your watchlist to get a wider view, and one that might foreshadow the product you trade (I'm using a quote board with a basket of products from stocks, options and the standard futures products to get an idea 'what kind of day' is being experience in the markets. Hopefully, leading to correlations and 'value'.

(3) How do you find 'bad orders/trades' and 'pick them off', and does this involve making the market and premptively giving bad prices?

Where else can I find information on manual market making techniques outside of manual options market making? I can find white paper after white paper on quant based algo market making, but very little outside of options manual market making.

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Have talked with Gary . If everything goes alright , will start his training shortly . Feel free to ask about feedback , if Gary doesn't forbid me from talking about what's taught in the training - I'll say as much as I can .

Also , don't know why everybody is talking about it's price being $10,000 . Currently , he's offering it for AUD 7,700 which roughly equates to $5,500 .

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Have talked with Gary . If everything goes alright , will start his training shortly . Feel free to ask about feedback , if Gary doesn't forbid me from talking about what's taught in the training - I'll say as much as I can .

Also , don't know why everybody is talking about it's price being $10,000 . Currently , he's offering it for AUD 7,700 which roughly equates to $5,500 .

Nice. I doubt he will let you speak much about it. When you listen to the Q/A he did with Jigsaw, which was the best video I have found concerning him he doesn't want to go into detail. I'm doubtful he would want you to go beyond what is already shared in the public. I doubt you would want to give away your lessons freely to those who haven't paid for it.

LOL All my questions are the specifics-- How do you catch small traders, what conditions do you trade to avoid large trades but also instantly (within seconds) take your profits-- that typically takes momentum created by larger trades.

Currently, my trades are typically in the seconds, I consult watchlists to know what kind of day we are having, I also look at NetChange to get an idea of what kind of moment we are having, I enter on limit orders, I'm in and out with 1-4 ticks in seconds unless i don't follow my rules and hang on and face drawdown to get a winner (Bad) but it has been working, but I want to tighten up my game. My win percentage is beyond 80%, I don't get all the scratch trades he does, my misses are-- the market blows past me before I can get in, or I'm facing heat when i wait to long to jump in.

I use what is printed via market orders hitting, my view on the day, my view of the moment to enter. I'm still using momentum. I'm attempting to figure out more what is being priced in when price velocity increases, I carefully watch volatility to know if I can play or not....

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if Gary doesn't forbid me from talking about what's taught in the training - I'll say as much as I can .


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Nice. I doubt he will let you speak much about it. When you listen to the Q/A he did with Jigsaw, which was the best video I have found concerning him he doesn't want to go into detail. I'm doubtful he would want you to go beyond what is already shared in the public. I doubt you would want to give away your lessons freely to those who haven't paid for it.

What Michael said. If you are paying somebody $5,500 for a course, you want their full support to help you achieve your goals. Not to piss them off by wanting to hand out all of their knowledge for free on the internet. You're working to be a successful professional trader, not a popular internet guru.

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Have talked with Gary . If everything goes alright , will start his training shortly . Feel free to ask about feedback , if Gary doesn't forbid me from talking about what's taught in the training - I'll say as much as I can .

Also , don't know why everybody is talking about it's price being $10,000 . Currently , he's offering it for AUD 7,700 which roughly equates to $5,500 .

Good Luck! Before plunking down that large sum of cash, I hope you are able to verify that he successfully trades using the method he teaches.

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Good Luck! Before plunking down that large sum of cash, I hope you are able to verify that he successfully trades using the method he teaches.

Gary Norden is well vouched and seems to be a high trust individual. He doesn't even really market his services, definitely not actively to retail traders.

It will be interesting to see if what GN teaches meshes with the previous poster.

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Gary Norden is well vouched and seems to be a high trust individual. He doesn't even really market his services, definitely not actively to retail traders.

It will be interesting to see if what GN teaches meshes with the previous poster.


As long as OP did his due diligence before signing up, that is the key.


Theranos was well vouched for - just look at the amazing board of directors they had - and seemed to be high trust individuals. Yet no investor ever got audited financial statements. Now Theranos is gone.

In more of the trading realm, Ninja, by virtue of their Ecosystem, vouches for many "educators," yet quite a few have been exposed by the CFTC as outright frauds.

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Have talked with Gary . If everything goes alright , will start his training shortly . Feel free to ask about feedback , if Gary doesn't forbid me from talking about what's taught in the training - I'll say as much as I can .

Also , don't know why everybody is talking about it's price being $10,000 . Currently , he's offering it for AUD 7,700 which roughly equates to $5,500 .


Don't forget to get a feel for his ideas or where you may be headed you can check out his book, An End to the Bull. It was a good read. He does a fine job of critiquing the retail industry, explaining heuristics, and, of course, setting up a mindset/approach to trading.

I wrote him after reading the book and he wrote back with an answer to my question and he offered his course and that was the only time he did so. Also, I have seen his youtube stuff and it is pretty good, particularly his critique of candles - for example, if there is a race and the person in third place wins because the leader and second fell down, but all you knew was the finish (ie third place won), you wouldn't do well assuming third will win again.

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Currently, my trades are typically in the seconds, I consult watchlists to know what kind of day we are having, I also look at NetChange to get an idea of what kind of moment we are having, I enter on limit orders, I'm in and out with 1-4 ticks in seconds unless i don't follow my rules and hang on and face drawdown to get a winner (Bad) but it has been working, but I want to tighten up my game. My win percentage is beyond 80%, I don't get all the scratch trades he does, my misses are-- the market blows past me before I can get in, or I'm facing heat when i wait to long to jump in.

I assume this is regarding ES or some other product than treasurys. Or, are you quoting Gary.

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