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Anton Kreil Annihilates Retail Brokers and "Trading Educators"

Great video for retail traders to give some understanding of what you are up against.


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Great video for retail traders to give some understanding of what you are up against.

https://youtu.be/1p2qIs-0nGc

I noticed Anton a year back when my friend asked me about him. He gave some good info, "the honest" sell in the early days to set him apart. I believe he started as the project assistant/supervisor on Million dollar traders? I guess he liked the movie "Crazy People". He seems to ignore futures trading completely as a topic of discussion which is good as it must mean it works I think it is amusing how he kinda says you can't make real money in futures as there are only a few dozen liquid markets.. yeah..

Of course it is important to keep separate retail students from budding "pros" trading other people's money when watching his stuff. A lot of what he says is pitched to pro students who presumably would get industry qualified.

I have seen a few hours of his lectures and what is quite noticeable is he has frank discussions about scammers, broker shills etc. who portray grand lifestyles to bait students & investors but does exactly the same (bigger actually) himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a51wQAOGR4 He's in Singapore, London, Trump plaza or whatever all on business class flights and great views and pools.

It will just be a matter of value for money which would be determined by success but I smell a lot of masterful gaslighting with this guy. He's a salesman for sure but some interesting tidbits.. It might be interesting to hear from someone who has done a course, maybe from a couple of years back so they have perspective. I guess these people are not going to be FIO forum level of course.


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He talks about conflict of interest, and how to eliminate it when approaching your business, for this i have huge respect for him.

He is not selling his dream, and so him being in places we can't afford doesn't mean we should be talking him down. Let's be unbiased and get to a level where he is, before we open our mouth.


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He talks about conflict of interest, and how to eliminate it when approaching your business, for this i have huge respect for him.

He is not selling his dream, and so him being in places we can't afford doesn't mean we should be talking him down. Let's be unbiased and get to a level where he is, before we open our mouth.

"He is not selling a dream".. with respect to you, yes, yes he is I must say I believe he is. He is selling a dream, maybe a reality for some who are true A+ students and do the work, if his courses are of good quality and not shallow film-flam. He also wants people to invest with him & trade through his service so it is not all about education, he is selling investment services in parallel.

I was discussing this with Fenchurch yesterday (we trade together, she is flying home today) and whether one should look a gift-horse too closely in the mouth as the expression goes. Is it just tearing things down for no benefit or should foxes be exposed.. Where is the line drawn between a loyal dog/friend, a fox and a dangerous wolf?

Anton Kreil has given many lectures to finance university students about the real salaries and conditions working for investment banks / funds that seem refreshingly honest without question. He talks convincingly about being independent and making your own opportunities, not falling into the conventional market or employment traps etc. etc. He seems to speak a lot of truth. I'd prefer to hear the Q&A after a lecture also but it was not provided. He is of course also selling the shortcut to success for a few thousand bucks, exactly in the retail sweet spot.

As a non industry expert (who can trade retail futures and can afford first/business class flights and five star hotels, as can Fenchurch) his real personality/ethics are the quandary, it would be nice to find a (mostly) good guy. He has chosen to make a living leveraging a little fame he got from a role in "Million Dollar Traders" where they attempt to replicate the Turtles, so some selling the dream is inevitable. It's in the title.

"The enemy of the good are the perfect" and Fenchurch understand this. I understand what she referred to about "gas-lighters" though, people who try to control others through manipulation (making it seem like they have no options but to look to the gas-lighter himself as the savior perhaps?) and they will often accuse others of behaviors that they are engaged in themselves. This is not a one is right because the other is wrong thing/fallacy, typically both behaviors are wrong.

Going on too much but one generally sees Anton in lecture halls criticising lifestyle pitch educators/marketers (correctly) or in exotic destinations all around the world in his Institute of Trading's "Make Me a Trader" series e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgYCX3qRhc8 I think that is fair to mention as it is very blatant.

Tim Sykes parallels are obvious and Anton must be well aware of this however as Fenchurch said, reading the message in context is important. Who is Anton speaking to, who is his real intended audience? Budding professional traders or naive retail who understand 10% of what he is saying but sense he tells the truth and flock to him?

I believe that only industry veterans can likely tell if Anton is an anti-gaslighting industry rebel or a cynical sales man. As an aside this is an interesting article https://rpseawright.wordpress.com/2016/05/04/financial-gaslighting/ . I guess if you look at his courses and they are of low quality/for retail etc. that might be a clue?

Perhaps we can look at things he says and validate to be fair to him?

Is he grossly misstating and exaggerating here for effect or am I as a retail level trader getting the context wrong? (I probably am). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0mBsBUn3c about algo trading/shorter time trading being basically impossible unless your an exceptionally genius programmer?

I'm sure @NJAMC is the perfect person to advise


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I believe that only industry veterans can likely tell if Anton is an anti-gaslighting industry rebel or a cynical sales man.

Perhaps @tigertrader can enlighten us? I found the video very informative and couldnt care less how wealthy he is or what hes selling, its the knowledge he shares that is interesting.

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Perhaps @tigertrader can enlighten us? I found the video very informative and couldnt care less how wealthy he is or what hes selling, its the knowledge he shares that is interesting.

Perhaps he could weigh in? Inletcap was the only other 20+ year industry vet I am aware of.

I can say one thing about @Fenchurch, she achieves amazingly elegant insights into trading. I guess partly as her mind does not entertain wilful blindness like most do these days and has little water contaminating her gasoline.

Has anyone seen his course materials? Is it the usual endless videos? (I dislike) or has he written tight material? My interest stems from being pretty hardcore in Futures but knowing nothing much about Options, ETFs etc. If there is less sh1t and more shineola with him that would nice.

Edit: I somewhat have an answer from his minion here (just kidding, as he's wearing a yellow pullover) https://youtu.be/EPD8wPvABW8?t=547 First bit is 37 hours across 35 videos online with "lots of spreadsheets and PDFs" and another for Forex, 29 videos, loads of spreadsheets..

Anton's love of Trump as a business icon is concerning. Meandering stream of consciousness videos are the cheapest way to produce content. Trump University II does come to mind but if the courses are good and don't have lots of up-sells that is not the case I'll accept.

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Perhaps @tigertrader can enlighten us? I found the video very informative and couldnt care less how wealthy he is or what hes selling, its the knowledge he shares that is interesting.

I found the video very informative and couldn't care less how wealthy he is or what he is selling.

Say no more.

@Rory i am not against you or Anton, but nor does our justification do anything to better our lives.

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I found the video very informative and couldn't care less how wealthy he is or what he is selling.

Say no more.

@Rory i am not against you or Anton, but nor does our justification do anything to better our lives.

Ok that means nothing but fine, you don't care if you get something free.

Facts and dishing the inside scoop pitch is also fine but what is important to inquiring minds is how the information is weighted by a mentor. If he is grossly overstating xyz to sell courses that matters I recon. The famed single poisoned M&M in the bowl. I am an actual potential customer but my time is valuable. When not distracting myself waiting for trades to close haha.

If it were Futures and not Options/Forex.ETFs he specialises in I'd be able to make a call.

Apologies to @NJAMC if this is gone way off his intended course.


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