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Anton Kreil Annihilates Retail Brokers and "Trading Educators"
And who gets their chauffeur to open the door?
Also , hard to concentrate when he kept opening his water bottle and closing it without taking a sip - "is he going to drink some this time???"
I noticed that water bottle thing also, it is well known to annoy people. Makes everyone else think their complimentary water might contain poison haha.
At my age I'm being a cranky old man, Anton is a kid from my perspective, the sort of guy that having kids will do a lot of good. I saw he got married recently so I wish him well.
I've found someone who looked at the course. I'm told if one has the capacity to read a few books that would be better but he indicated it was ok material for beginners & meh, value is in the eye of the student.
This morning I've started to look at some stuff by "The Retarded Hedge Fund Manager" which is more my style. Someone my own age and nice to see we both "retired" or got "retarded" as he puts it (I like that!), at the same time in life.
My assistant has been telling me for months to read his blog but I'm not a follower of others by habit & philosophy, though I think I like this guy's style on first impression. Sprezza
Who cares about the water bottle if what he's saying is true? Maybe he just has nerves when he's speaking in front of people. And who is this Fenchurch person you keep mentioning like we're supposed to know who they are?
I noticed Anton a year back when my friend asked me about him. He gave some good info, "the honest" sell in the early days to set him apart. I believe he started as the project assistant/supervisor on Million dollar traders? I guess he liked the …
I work for Rory's company as he said a few posts following mine if that matters?
EDITED: Ok I am caught-up. Rory asked the admin to delete those posts. My view as to whether or not Anton speaks complete truth is as I said.
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Guys please don't fall for this. They are selling education for thousands and thousands of dollars, they are slick salesmen. Real professional traders in the UK do not teach they work at firms and you are usually under an NDA. If you want to trade professionally just join a trading firm or institution.
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I'm not sticking up for Anton but I think that's BS. The review basically says
"Anton claims to be a top trader for Goldman etc. While we can confirm he worked for Goldman etc we can't confirm whether he was a great trader or not. Since most other people who advertise like he does are shills, he must be one as well."
Why? On what grounds? Long list of complaints against him? Nope. Then why? Because Tim Sykes was? I don't anything about Anton, he could be a fraud, but finding him guilty in the public opinion courts with absolutely zero evidence seems a little unfair at this stage.
The reviewer is definitely guilty of stereotyping, however, he gets some parts right.
"if Anton Kreil is a registered investment advisor, does this also mean that he is a millionaire and a world class trader? My mother has a registered investment advisor that advises her, and has worked at JP Morgan for 20+ years. In fact, he is the Vice President of JP Morgan. One of many thousands of Vice Presidents at JP Morgan. This is the corny little secret with big banks, everyone gets a fancy title…which means very little."
Anton tries to put himself and his company on a pedestal because he and his "mentors" have worked for an investment bank of some sorts. This becomes a key part of his sales pitch where he tries to separate himself from other vendors... eg "Did your vendor/ mentor once work for an investment bank? If not, they suck by default. Look at me and all our mentors, we are all from investment banks, therefore we know how to trade, and can teach you the secrets. We are the 1%" etc etc. This kind of Jargo is more toxic than Tim Sykes, especially, when Anton is spreading it in more credible places like University lecture rooms/ business schools. It's very strategic marketing. A+
"Free markets work because they allow people to be lucky, thanks to aggressive trial and error, not by giving rewards or incentives for skill. The strategy is, then, to tinker as much as possible and try to collect as many Black Swan opportunities as you can"
For me a 'super' trader/mentor, is a person that can explain you the basics, the advanced, the market dynamics, a system and/or an edge that you can understand (yes i have met in my life people who are very good traders, but who are unable to explain, there is always a missing part or a secret sauce) and that he can teach you how to use, although i think each has to adopt a personal style, you can not copy a style form another person like that. So the person that 'scores' the best, would be the person, that is able to teach the basics, asses what kind of person you rare and then coach you into successfully applying what he thought you...
The best teacher are those persons who can access the level of the class/pupils and bring them to the highest level possible, rather than just 'pushing' stuff and giving them a 'failed' grade, every fail, is also somewhere a fail for the teacher...
He may be a a good trader with good teaching/coaching skills...
He may be a lousy trader himself, but being able to form/craft the most successful individuals..
I think what he 'cooked' does not matter, all is about, how good a cook he can teach you to be..
my two cents..
No comments on Anton Kreil (i have no exprience with him), just general comments
well, some hate this guy bc he destroys dreams of becoming rich with retail trading,
and some love him for that. you can definitely learn something from this guy (not about technical intraday trading for sure).
he knows how the world is from the perspective of the sell side (Brokers). and additionally he is a sell side guy himself (and a really good one).
anyway, i dont agree with the 90/90/90 phenomena. i am able to destroy my account in less than 2 weeks
and btw how much water did he drink during the presentation
