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when you use foot prints you have to make the leap of faith all orders executed on the ask are sellers and the bid are buyers. if i have a buy limit orders in the Q and there executed on the ask or the down tick am i a seller. if there is a big difference on one side it my have some limited value . 70% of the trading volume are algos . there not trading on foot prints. if you are trading futures there is a spreed between the cash SPY and the futures. when that spreed becomes extended algos kick in and trade it. that call that spreed the Prem and you can chart it, if you know what your doing. the algos use limit orders. that kind of trade execution makes foot prints like jello ( no mater what D.B. says)

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when you use foot prints you have to make the leap of faith all orders executed on the ask are sellers and the bid are buyers. if i have a buy limit orders in the Q and there executed on the ask or the down tick am i a seller. if there is a big difference on one side it my have some limited value . 70% of the trading volume are algos . there not trading on foot prints. if you are trading futures there is a spreed between the cash SPY and the futures. when that spreed becomes extended algos kick in and trade it. that call that spreed the Prem and you can chart it, if you know what your doing. the algos use limit orders. that kind of trade execution makes foot prints like jello ( no mater what D.B. says)

interesting!!

maybe I'm missing something. my limited understanding tells me to create a trade, you need 2 orders. a marketable order and a limit order. so all orders executed on the ask are buys (marketable buy order matched with a limit sell order). all orders executed on the bid are sells (marketable sell order matched with a limit buy order).

also if I have a buy limit order, this order will never be executed on the ask.

of course I'm always eager to learn new things

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if you have a resting limit order in the Q to buy at X and the market down ticks and your order is executed . what side of the foot print chart does your transaction show up on . or if your shorting at x and the market up ticks and fills the order what side of the foot print does your executed order show up on . if you look at foot prints for a long time you will see large numbers of contract executed on what looks to be the wrong side of the trade be for a reversal. i thought it was traped traders at first. then i notice it happened at one thick in front of floor pivots a lot. i do not know ever thing too. the main point looking at foot prints are lagging are they not...the orders have already been executed. just because orders where executed at x , that does not mean there will be more orders there when price returns. you also do not know the intent of the traders that executed the orders. were they covering shorts or opening new longs when they buy. now if your limit buy order is X and as price is pull down and you see other orders being pulled out of the way in large numbers ..do you still want to buy it... lets flip that lets say price is coming down and large numbers are being added trying to front run a key reference point by a tick.. how does that buy look... but any trader being helped by foot prints keep using them. like the broker said prop trader do not use them .

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^To clarify all the prop firms you've seen only use DOM? And nothing else?
Or DOMs on those professional platforms.

if there trading index futures ,they will have all 3 major domes up. if look to buy they will not until bids are being lifted on all , reverse for sell.

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if you have a resting limit order in the Q to buy at X and the market down ticks and your order is executed . what side of the foot print chart does your transaction show up on .

on the bid (left side)


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or if your shorting at x and the market up ticks and fills the order what side of the foot print does your executed order show up on .

on the ask (right side)


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the main point looking at foot prints are lagging are they not...the orders have already been executed.

if you want to look at it this way, sure why not. everything executed can be called lagging. but at least I know it has been executed. as for the limit orders (dom), you don't know if they get executed, cancelled, modified or who knows what. I prefer to put my money on facts ...


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now if your limit buy order is X and as price is pull down and you see other orders being pulled out of the way in large numbers ..do you still want to buy it...

I almost never put in limit orders. when I see heavy selling (on the bid), but price does not go lower and then moves up, that's a first sign for a possible reversal.


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like the broker said prop trader do not use them .

hmm, are prop traders a superior species? not really something I would pay attention to


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you also do not know the intent of the traders that executed the orders. were they covering shorts or opening new longs when they buy.

you're correct. unless you have some information, you don't know. no footprint or dom will tell you

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i used them for 8 years..if they work for you outstanding. 70% of the trading volume are algos . what foot print charting package do you think Goldman Sacs and Morgan Stanley are executing from ?

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if there trading index futures ,they will have all 3 major domes up. if look to buy they will not until bids are being lifted on all , reverse for sell.

My point was this.
The way he wrote it makes it appear prop traders do not use any charts at all. Yes many execute and watch on the dom. Yes many likely use algos as well. But the way he wrote it was misleading. Mattz correct me if I am wrong on they do not use charts at all, my post said dom exclusively.
I've seen prop traders use various charts to get their bearings.

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if you have a resting limit order in the Q to buy at X and the market down ticks and your order is executed . what side of the foot print chart does your transaction show up on . or if your shorting at x and the market up ticks and fills the order what side of the foot print does your executed order show up on . if you look at foot prints for a long time you will see large numbers of contract executed on what looks to be the wrong side of the trade be for a reversal. i thought it was traped traders at first. then i notice it happened at one thick in front of floor pivots a lot. i do not know ever thing too. the main point looking at foot prints are lagging are they not...the orders have already been executed. just because orders where executed at x , that does not mean there will be more orders there when price returns. you also do not know the intent of the traders that executed the orders. were they covering shorts or opening new longs when they buy. now if your limit buy order is X and as price is pull down and you see other orders being pulled out of the way in large numbers ..do you still want to buy it... lets flip that lets say price is coming down and large numbers are being added trying to front run a key reference point by a tick.. how does that buy look... but any trader being helped by foot prints keep using them. like the broker said prop trader do not use them .

There's a lot of ways to use the footprint.
There is also a lot of information that means nothing to one profitable trader and something to another trader who is profitable as well.
And yes looking at past information is what is a good about it.
Knowing how to read it and what to read is critical.

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when you use foot prints you have to make the leap of faith all orders executed on the ask are sellers and the bid are buyers. if i have a buy limit orders in the Q and there executed on the ask or the down tick am i a seller. if there is a big difference on one side it my have some limited value . 70% of the trading volume are algos . there not trading on foot prints. if you are trading futures there is a spreed between the cash SPY and the futures. when that spreed becomes extended algos kick in and trade it. that call that spreed the Prem and you can chart it, if you know what your doing. the algos use limit orders. that kind of trade execution makes foot prints like jello ( no mater what D.B. says)

Keep in mind are passive orders what move markets?

or aggressive orders? from trapped traders and orders trying to be aggressively done.


From my limited understanding it is aggressive orders that move the markets.



Another point, prop traders often are in it for the day.
Bigger money does come in at value levels
or if they got orders.
So they will have to execute a lot aggressively, in effect moving the market.
They will also show where they are executing by their past history.

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i used them for 8 years..if they work for you outstanding.


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when you use foot prints you have to make the leap of faith all orders executed on the ask are sellers and the bid are buyers.

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