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Before you read any further, I'd just like to say that I have no association with this particular trade room, apart from tuning in every day for FREE as a community member. I've also been around long enough and spent enough time in trade rooms to know the good from the bad. I generally dislike vendors and trade rooms.

IMO this trade room is something special, I've never really seen anything like it. Best of all it's free for anyone. No sign ups or "free trials" just free live streaming every day from 8:45am EST via Youtube's new beta streaming service( there's actually a small delay due to Youtube encoding)

The guy who runs it( Vinny) would be one of the best discretionary traders I've seen , he also shares and educates you on all his discretionary strategies in real time, while he's trading . On top of that he runs automated strategies( or bots) that run almost 24/5. He codes everything himself, does daily performance reviews/ optimizes daily and runs it all through Ninja Trader.( These are proprietary and not shared if you want the bots real-time alerts you have to pay for them- I've got no idea the costing here, it's not something I have considered)

What I like is that he doesn't mislead newbie traders down some BS path. He is a firm believer that it takes most people 10,000 hours of screen time before they really become successful( The same applies to any field). He also recommends that starting capital to trade ES should be 25k, with minimum of 8-10k

The room is full of genuine wisdom & funny quirks, along with all the NERD(Never Ending Radical Dude) stuff you would expect from a coder sitting in front of 6 monitors- Sometimes while in a frustrating trade he will take a breather and start playing Battlefield

The target for the room is $1,000,000 p/a, with daily targets of 4k, trading up to 80 contracts with a max draw drawdown of 15k per day( 5% of his account).

I've seen max drawdown get hit around FOMC( I think it's happened once this year), I've also seen him make 14k in a day, last Thursday-


Some of you regulars/ or ES traders should check out the room one day and see what you think @Inletcap @BarfMcGee @puma @Okina @michaelleemoore @steve2222

Link to live room ->[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/VinnyEMini/live[/yt]

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Before you read any further, I'd just like to say that I have no association with this particular trade room, apart from tuning in every day for FREE as a community member. I've also been around long enough and spent enough time in trade rooms to know the good from the bad. I generally dislike vendors and trade rooms.

IMO this trade room is something special, I've never really seen anything like it. Best of all it's free for anyone. No sign ups or "free trials" just free live streaming every day from 8:45am EST via Youtube's new beta streaming service( there's actually a small delay due to Youtube encoding)

The guy who runs it( Vinny) would be one of the best discretionary traders I've seen , he also shares and educates you on all his discretionary strategies in real time, while he's trading . On top of that he runs automated strategies( or bots) that run almost 24/5. He codes everything himself, does daily performance reviews/ optimizes daily and runs it all through Ninja Trader.( These are proprietary and not shared if you want the bots real-time alerts you have to pay for them- I've got no idea the costing here, it's not something I have considered)

What I like is that he doesn't mislead newbie traders down some BS path. He is a firm believer that it takes most people 10,000 hours of screen time before they really become successful( The same applies to any field). He also recommends that starting capital to trade ES should be 25k, with minimum of 8-10k

The room is full of genuine wisdom & funny quirks, along with all the NERD(Never Ending Radical Dude) stuff you would expect from a coder sitting in front of 6 monitors- Sometimes while in a frustrating trade he will take a breather and start playing Battlefield

The target for the room is $1,000,000 p/a, with daily targets of 4k, trading up to 80 contracts with a max draw drawdown of 15k per day( 5% of his account).

I've seen max drawdown get hit around FOMC( I think it's happened once this year), I've also seen him make 14k in a day, last Thursday-


Some of you regulars/ or ES traders should check out the room one day and see what you think @Inletcap @BarfMcGee @puma @Okina @michaelleemoore @steve2222

Link to live room ->[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/VinnyEMini/live[/yt]

@Neo1 so the room is on youtube and is not a web site? Thanks for the heads up. Not really looking for more things to distract, but never averse to learning something new. Will check it when as the day permits.

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Interesting thank you @Neo1 . A lot of parallels with my own setup and the whole bot in parallel thing of course. He mentioned moving to a paid service and getting off YouTube so I guess this is the taster phase.

Often one wonders why bother with the added revenue stream but its not always just money motivating the younger guys. The hot trading groupies are of course reward unto themselves haha.

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Often one wonders why bother with the added revenue stream but its not always just money motivating the younger guys. The hot trading groupies are of course reward unto themselves haha.

Exactly my thought as well - why does this guy run a trade room if he is making that much money - I mean why would you bother

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Exactly my thought as well - why does this guy run a trade room if he is making that much money - I mean why would you bother

Well being more through I was only half joking about the younger guy's motivation.

I know a ~30 ish guy (now) who started a school with some friends and they built up a reputation and influence over hundreds of students. A small fund was born and an in-house team of contract traders launched (students and others).

Student who could not trade successfully but had money to invest and trusted the 'master traders' (or the bot systems) invested money I expect. Emotionally attractive when you know the trading system/people but lack the talent. Can't say if totally straight or dodgy as somewhere in between I guess, its business.

He has however (I have little doubt of this) seen very many countries now for free. Traders invite/pay him him to stay with them, they get a little 'master' advice and he sees the place guided by a local (much better than being a typical tourist).

Then there is the value of the brand. Of course guys like that who don't really have 'a number' or have a really big one do real-estate or anything that makes money in parallel.

And the trading groupie chicks of course.

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@Neo1 so the room is on youtube and is not a web site? Thanks for the heads up. Not really looking for more things to distract, but never averse to learning something new. Will check it when as the day permits.

mlm

Yeah it's all for free on Youtube, they now run a live streaming service( it's in beta).

I haven't been listening much in the mornings since I'm busy with my own trading. If you get the chance it's probably best to check it out after 2pm EST (Vinny doesn't usually start his discretionary trading until around 2pm EST), he lets his bots trade in the morning, and gets a feel for how the market is moving based on their decisions. Since he's done nothing all day, he comes in "mentally" fresh around 2pm, when other traders are starting to tire out.

"Free markets work because they allow people to be lucky, thanks to aggressive trial and error, not by giving rewards or incentives for skill. The strategy is, then, to tinker as much as possible and try to collect as many Black Swan opportunities as you can"
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Interesting thank you @Neo1 . A lot of parallels with my own setup and the whole bot in parallel thing of course. He mentioned moving to a paid service and getting off YouTube so I guess this is the taster phase.

Often one wonders why bother with the added revenue stream but its not always just money motivating the younger guys. The hot trading groupies are of course reward unto themselves haha.

Yeah, I'm not sure what his future plans are( I'm not sure if he even knows!). The youtube stream can be 30s delayed at times, and I guess people like to try and piggyback his trades, so he's getting requests for a low latency stream.

I think one of his ideas was to build up a community of traders who code, he tries to focus alot around creating your own "robotic" strategy, as opposed to piggybacking his.

haha I guess some traders just like showing off aswell. At the end of the day, trading can also be pretty boring, and after awhile making money every day sitting in front of a screen is not as rewarding as it once seemed.

All I can say is check the room out and see for yourself, it's a different/fun experience.

"Free markets work because they allow people to be lucky, thanks to aggressive trial and error, not by giving rewards or incentives for skill. The strategy is, then, to tinker as much as possible and try to collect as many Black Swan opportunities as you can"
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Also in a video I see he has charts from School of Trade and uses similar method of either 61.8 or 78.6 for entry

Wondering if he is the student of JJ and if there are any association with JJ

Whatever his intentions and motivation is he knows but he is trying to educate and help other traders

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Also in a video I see he has charts from School of Trade and uses similar method of either 61.8 or 78.6 for entry

Wondering if he is the student of JJ and if there are any association with JJ

Whatever his intentions and motivation is he knows but he is trying to educate and help other traders

Sharmas

Possibly? I've really got no idea.

He trades ABCD measured moves off 618s and 786s, which is basically a Gartley pattern( Although I have never heard any reference to Gartley). He also uses longer term wedge based formations to determine potentially reversal points.

It's all very well trading abcxyz786s etc, however, what's interesting is the way he executes/managers & profits from trades. He will successfully add/scale/flip and make decisions on the fly based on intuition, all the things that you can't really teach and have to learn for yourself. This gives his room some unique value and one of the reasons I gave it a mention in here.

Also, where else are you going to live stream some futures trader shooting from 1mil p/a, commentating you through all his trades, for free?

*At the end of the day I'm just some random dude who was fortunate enough to stumble upon it. The main focus is supposed to be around building a community of traders and coders, the discretionary trading is just a part of it.

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This guy is a complete fraud he want people to donate $10.00 + for (coffee donation) like every 10 minutes. quoting bible scriptures to get people to join his cult of followers and selling freeing indicators and making many fake account like the one he has on here here (now)

I have been a big supported of Futures.oi and I know good people on this site create some of the best indicators and share them for members and dont like to see there hard work being sold and they get none the credit. He also attack other people that he dont and ask other people to attack other traders that don't want to join his cult of traders. (This is all my opinion). please be ware.

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Before you read any further, I'd just like to say that I have no association with this particular trade room, apart from tuning in every day for FREE as a community member. I've also been around long enough and spent enough time in trade rooms to know the good from the bad. I generally dislike vendors and trade rooms.

IMO this trade room is something special, I've never really seen anything like it. Best of all it's free for anyone. No sign ups or "free trials" just free live streaming every day from 8:45am EST via Youtube's new beta streaming service( there's actually a small delay due to Youtube encoding)

The guy who runs it( Vinny) would be one of the best discretionary traders I've seen , he also shares and educates you on all his discretionary strategies in real time, while he's trading . On top of that he runs automated strategies( or bots) that run almost 24/5. He codes everything himself, does daily performance reviews/ optimizes daily and runs it all through Ninja Trader.( These are proprietary and not shared if you want the bots real-time alerts you have to pay for them- I've got no idea the costing here, it's not something I have considered)

What I like is that he doesn't mislead newbie traders down some BS path. He is a firm believer that it takes most people 10,000 hours of screen time before they really become successful( The same applies to any field). He also recommends that starting capital to trade ES should be 25k, with minimum of 8-10k

The room is full of genuine wisdom & funny quirks, along with all the NERD(Never Ending Radical Dude) stuff you would expect from a coder sitting in front of 6 monitors- Sometimes while in a frustrating trade he will take a breather and start playing Battlefield

The target for the room is $1,000,000 p/a, with daily targets of 4k, trading up to 80 contracts with a max draw drawdown of 15k per day( 5% of his account).

I've seen max drawdown get hit around FOMC( I think it's happened once this year), I've also seen him make 14k in a day, last Thursday-


Some of you regulars/ or ES traders should check out the room one day and see what you think @Inletcap @BarfMcGee @puma @Okina @michaelleemoore @steve2222

Link to live room ->[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/VinnyEMini/live[/yt]


I feel obligated to update this post- I don't want to go misleading anyone here and I don't want to go attacking Vinnie either.

Firstly, I'm not an advocate for ANY live trade room, AND I'm in no way affiliated with this room or part of any of the paid services on offer. However, I will still occasionally visit the "free" room towards the end of RTH- Personally, I find it entertaining.

When I made my initial post, full access to the room was free, now it's a $500 per month premium- which I think is over the top and in no way justifiable (No trade room is worth that much IMO). Not many seasoned traders would spend that amount on a live trade room, so all you are going to get is newbies who think they have stumbled upon the Holy grail.

I was never in the room to copy trades or learn a new approach, it was more for engagement & entertainment, which the room certainly excels at- I found it more engaging than any live trade room I have ever been in. I also warmed to the idea of a community of traders, much like that of Futures.io.

However, I feel as though I was misled on the premise of the room, which was supposedly geared towards building a community of traders. Charging $500 per month for a live room( and 10k for a course/ mentorship) is never going to build a community of traders. Your typical newbie trader can barely afford to fund an account( apparently a lot of them can't even afford an FIO Elite Membership), let alone spend $500 per month/ 10k on a course- while your experienced/ profitable trader knows better, and probably has a wee chuckle to himself thinking he was once impressionable enough to be seduced into something like this.

I'm not saying the room should have stayed "FREE", however, it's disappointing to see such an aggressive pricing structure that certainly doesn't favor any sort of community movement. From a business perspective, I think the room could have become more sustainable in the long run if a different model was used with a more favorable pricing structure. The room already had the "Blue Ocean" style concept but appears to have sunk into the red sea.

And don't think I'm some kind of FREEloader, it's more the idea of creating value by charging less, so you end up with a larger more diverse, loyal community, who back each other up and help each other out.

It also doesn't help that Vinnie seems to constantly be in some kind of "beef" with someone, which is damaging to the integrity of the room and no doubt emotionally taxing on himself (at the moment he’s in some war with another YouTube "live” trade room", before that he was battling with an ex-moderator of his own room). This kind of drama creates a toxic environment for any newbie trader.

If Donald Trump ran a trade room, this would most definitely be it. Although you don't really want to vote for him, you definitely don't want to vote for hilary. So to put it back into context - You know any live trade room is a bit of sham, however, if you had to go into one, it might as well be this one.

To conclude; I like Vinnie, however, I don't like the direction the room has taken, and I wouldn't recommend for a newbie trader to go breaking their bank just for a seat in the room. If the room were still free, then I would still recommend that everyone check it out

"Free markets work because they allow people to be lucky, thanks to aggressive trial and error, not by giving rewards or incentives for skill. The strategy is, then, to tinker as much as possible and try to collect as many Black Swan opportunities as you can"
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I just popped in to his room today and saw he is down $110K.

He and his moderators blamed it on the OPEC news.

I just don't think he trades real money, no serious trader will let draw down run this big, unless it's paper money.

Also, the account name he uses is "LIVE something", I'm almost certain that's a simulate account. Yes, you can create a simulate account with any name you give.

I know account names thru Dorman (Ninjatrader Broker) is something like "Your real name!Mirus!M1234".

I also don't like his "average down" way of trading, that's a disaster waiting to happen, such as today.

He's now charging about 8K for mentor-ship program.

He also has over 20 different domain names under his belt. Do real traders need that many domain names? Only marketers do.

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This guy is a complete fraud he want people to donate $10.00 + for (coffee donation) like every 10 minutes. quoting bible scriptures to get people to join his cult of followers and selling freeing indicators and making many fake account like the one he has on here here (now)

I have been a big supported of Futures.oi and I know good people on this site create some of the best indicators and share them for members and dont like to see there hard work being sold and they get none the credit. He also attack other people that he dont and ask other people to attack other traders that don't want to join his cult of traders. (This is all my opinion). please be ware.

Hey guys, thanks for all the feedback both positive and negative about this trading site. It is my own fault becoming involved with this trading room before doing my due diligence.

I had basically heard from word of mouth around the internet that Vinnie was one of the best discretionary traders on the internet. I would say I am no where near the best, however I do ok from day to day, however always room for improvement. As a result, I thought I would check out the premium room for a month, and see first hand what all the hype was about.

Well...I did not even get past day 1...he may well be the "best"...however he has some serious issues in regards to people skills. I had some technical difficulties on day 1 trying to get access, and I am the first to admit that I am not a computer expert, however I would still rate my abilities above average. I don't know this guy from a bar of soap...however when asked for assistance...my request was met with ridicule and was belittled.

Please see below in regards to emails from this guy:

Eagles sore with eagles.... cluckers with cluckers.... go get back to clucking. You don't have what it takes to succeed here. So here's a free mentorship lesson: Do yourself a favor and stop trading. You don't have the mental capacity, or stamina to handle trading, and don't fool yourself about thick skin. You're thin and low IQ. You've done right by quitting before you've begun. Congrats.

I'm the best for a reason. It's your lack of understanding and impatience that makes you unworthy. You need hand holding. This ain't the place for chicken heads like you

See ya clown.
-VM

P.S. Yeah, I AM a Christian. That means I'm saved not perfect. And I was made differently by an amazing Creator. And I run hotter than you and others. So. What. It makes me good at what I do. But you sir, simply suck. Toodles troll.


Here is a further email from him after I requested a refund through Paypal...

Going to waste a little more time on you.... so that you can "look at YOURSELF in the mirror and have a hard look"... and see what a tiny mind you are. You said – and I quote: " but but but nobody said any specifics on what type of youtube account you are suppose to have".... um... yea, yea we did. Every email you got said it was very important to get the YouTube account right.... You are just a bad person who needs hand holding and whines when things aren’t' perfect for them. You must be single. It's ok. You low IQ’ers don't belong in our crew. Here is the evidence you missed and this is in other emails you've received as well, but I'll not waste more time trying to explain things you'll never understand or experience. Best of luck in life. But do yourself a favor and don’t trade. You will lose. You are a 95%er for sure, see the screenshot below with what you feel you were not told or hand held with. And I and 2 other moderators also VERY clearly said, don’t use your sub accounts when you were in the live room today. You simply refused to listen. Likely…. You are an idiot. But also likely, you also already knew that as others have not wanted to deal with you either. You don’t have what it takes to thrive here. Markets will eat you as a snack. And…. You’re an asshole, and not even a good one. And there’s only room enough for one of those around here, and that’s me. You’re out. See ya!

Like I said, I do not know this guy...but inside 6 hours of my difficulties...he has clearly made this personal. I am hoping that Paypal will take all this in consideration and give me back my fees...will see what happens.

Be careful guys...just saying.

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Hey guys, thanks for all the feedback both positive and negative about this trading site. It is my own fault becoming involved with this trading room before doing my due diligence.

I had basically heard from word of mouth around the internet that Vinnie was one of the best discretionary traders on the internet. I would say I am no where near the best, however I do ok from day to day, however always room for improvement. As a result, I thought I would check out the premium room for a month, and see first hand what all the hype was about.

Well...I did not even get past day 1...he may well be the "best"...however he has some serious issues in regards to people skills. I had some technical difficulties on day 1 trying to get access, and I am the first to admit that I am not a computer expert, however I would still rate my abilities above average. I don't know this guy from a bar of soap...however when asked for assistance...my request was met with ridicule and was belittled.

Please see below in regards to emails from this guy:

Eagles sore with eagles.... cluckers with cluckers.... go get back to clucking. You don't have what it takes to succeed here. So here's a free mentorship lesson: Do yourself a favor and stop trading. You don't have the mental capacity, or stamina to handle trading, and don't fool yourself about thick skin. You're thin and low IQ. You've done right by quitting before you've begun. Congrats.

I'm the best for a reason. It's your lack of understanding and impatience that makes you unworthy. You need hand holding. This ain't the place for chicken heads like you

See ya clown.
-VM

P.S. Yeah, I AM a Christian. That means I'm saved not perfect. And I was made differently by an amazing Creator. And I run hotter than you and others. So. What. It makes me good at what I do. But you sir, simply suck. Toodles troll.


Here is a further email from him after I requested a refund through Paypal...

Going to waste a little more time on you.... so that you can "look at YOURSELF in the mirror and have a hard look"... and see what a tiny mind you are. You said – and I quote: " but but but nobody said any specifics on what type of youtube account you are suppose to have".... um... yea, yea we did. Every email you got said it was very important to get the YouTube account right.... You are just a bad person who needs hand holding and whines when things aren’t' perfect for them. You must be single. It's ok. You low IQ’ers don't belong in our crew. Here is the evidence you missed and this is in other emails you've received as well, but I'll not waste more time trying to explain things you'll never understand or experience. Best of luck in life. But do yourself a favor and don’t trade. You will lose. You are a 95%er for sure, see the screenshot below with what you feel you were not told or hand held with. And I and 2 other moderators also VERY clearly said, don’t use your sub accounts when you were in the live room today. You simply refused to listen. Likely…. You are an idiot. But also likely, you also already knew that as others have not wanted to deal with you either. You don’t have what it takes to thrive here. Markets will eat you as a snack. And…. You’re an asshole, and not even a good one. And there’s only room enough for one of those around here, and that’s me. You’re out. See ya!

Like I said, I do not know this guy...but inside 6 hours of my difficulties...he has clearly made this personal. I am hoping that Paypal will take all this in consideration and give me back my fees...will see what happens.

Be careful guys...just saying.

What I found funny about this is that he spent so much time writing nasty letter instead of using the time to support you. Sorry to hear this, but I always believe (trading wise) losing your own money when you’re trying hard to do it yourself feels better than still losing money after spending another money for mentorship because extra expectation.

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just read this thread for the first time, if trump ran a trading room he will sound exactly like the room owner.

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He's a vendor that makes money on paying subscribers.

Simple as. He's deflecting.

Sad guy in a giant room of monitors.

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Wake up people. Wake up!

Sent from my phone

Don't pay someone on the internet to show you how to trade. If someone knows how to trade, they don't need your money. If they want your money, they don't know how to trade....

You're not going to find an exception to this.

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UPDATE: I should point out that, for instance, there are authors who write books that can be useful, especially to newcomers to trading. Or who even put out good information on the internet and want some (modest) payment for it.

But the basic equation still holds. It's a matter of what they promise and what they charge for it. If someone promises a huge result, they won't provide it. If they want a large payment, their advice won't be worth it. It's just supply and demand: why would they need you?

I would pay any amount of money I could get together for direct, personal lessons in investing from Warren Buffet, but I'm not going to get them. There's a simple reason for that.

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yesterday I've seen the thread here and was quite curious after the initial posts here.
In the end I'm almost speechless about the thread starting like advertising and one guy on youtube said he did positive posts regarding the Vinny-Guy on futures.io, looking to me like exchanging favors in first place and insulting thereafter on youtube.

Either way, I've thrown a look to see the way he is trading and also checked his interactions with other users.
What I've missed:
  • Riskmanagement
  • A trading approuch
  • Maturity when interacting with supporting / not supporting people
  • Mental ability to trade (not only one post here with phrases from Vinny-Guy also his comments on youtube make him look like a little kid with a god-complex)

Altogether I understand that he needs paid subscribers, trading doesn't seems to be his gift.

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Well, certainly I cannot defend that email from Vinnie, however, he seems to be doing more than others have posted here. I certainly have no clue if he trades live or sim.

I have watched some of his videos and used some his Ninjatrader tools on a trial basis.
I have seen the Elliot Wave indicator work on market data and I am sure if I took his "training" there would be other items that "may" work to a degree..
He discretionary trades certain patterns, fib levels, Elliot Wave and other market anamolys.

He appears to have robots monitoring and trading multiple markets at once. One robot reports back market conditions to help optimize the others.

Some of his free videos are basically him chatting while he optimizes all his robots and charts. Most of the time those videos do not provide much useful info.

He uses Renko and or Range bars and optimizes the bar size depending on recent market conditions.

He proposes that he is trying to create a community of coders and traders that can work together.
Option 1 - this is true and he is looking for friends and ways to increase profits.
Option 2 - It is a hoax to collect money.
I think the truth is somewhere in between.

He calls his company Ecclesiastes Global Investments and occasionally quotes passages from that area of the bible related to his thoughts or trading.

I always ask the same thing...if someone could make x trading daily everyday, why charge for a room?
I used to think it was always a scam, but I think we are all being short sighted to say that.
This is a very odd and solitary endeavour. I certainly could see reaching out to others to teach or learn and even charge to generate passive income and attract serious people.

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I watched this video, so he adds up to 50 contracts when the market goes against him the entry price, is it a professional trading? yes but just a simulator.live certainly not

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I took a look at this guy's trade room and looks to be a fairly young guy trying to hustle. I respect hustling but not when it's at the expense of others and especially not by using a religious platform.

So we look at this guy Vinny and ask "Cui Bono?" (latin for who stands to gain). No matter how you slice this thing, all roads lead to Rome and in this case to Vinny's pocket. If he wants community, then that's where FIO is for and there is a wealth of knowledge in this forum with people who will tell it like it is.

As someone else has posted I feel sorry for the guy. He has to sit in front of a webcam all day and put on a dog and pony show to keep his operation afloat while staying under the radar of scrutiny. My guess is that he's using the room fees to fund his account and pay the bills while he figures out the trading game works. Talk about pressure...

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It's funny how these old threads will sometimes suddenly revive for a while.

I thought this was telling:


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I watched this video, so he adds up to 50 contracts when the market goes against him the entry price, is it a professional trading? yes but just a simulator.live certainly not

50 contracts, huh? If he's live he won't need subscribers if he's trading that size. But I think this sums it up well.

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there is a new cool looking indicator package with a can not miss education package rolled out.... from 3 to 10 grand every month. they even will sweeten the deal with a life time trade room. order flow was hot for a while with majic foot print charts an holy grail domes. be for that auto fib software was the grail of the month. trend following systems with moving average crosses and a momentum indicator used for a bias line has also been repackaged and sold over and over. this B.S. WILL come and go too.

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Don't pay someone on the internet to show you how to trade. If someone knows how to trade, they don't need your money. If they want your money, they don't know how to trade....

You're not going to find an exception to this.

Bob.

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UPDATE: I should point out that, for instance, there are authors who write books that can be useful, especially to newcomers to trading. Or who even put out good information on the internet and want some (modest) payment for it.

But the basic equation still holds. It's a matter of what they promise and what they charge for it. If someone promises a huge result, they won't provide it. If they want a large payment, their advice won't be worth it. It's just supply and demand: why would they need you?

I would pay any amount of money I could get together for direct, personal lessons in investing from Warren Buffet, but I'm not going to get them. There's a simple reason for that.

Let me just add a few thoughts to Bob's comment; Warren Buffet is very transparent about how he trades so I would never recommend you spend a dime on him teaching you, he shares it willingly for free, he buys what he knows, with very competent management and holds for a very long time that's about as far as you will get with a Buffet strategy. Now as far as trading rooms and educators Bob is both right and wrong. For example let's take a well known guy like John Carter he sells more stuff than a clearance makeup counter, and he's not shy about bragging about it. Yet the guy also trades large and makes decent money year to year on top of whatever he rakes in from selling courses and webinars. So is he a scammer well no, but.....I don't know ow any traders that are consistently using his squeeze setups to make m one in the markets, it's maybe 50% + win/loss so some guys might be profitable but most will lose yet he still keeps selling year after year his insights which people will pay for. This Vinny guy I dont k ow enough about him but I used to trade with a guy on Pal talk that went by Secretariat, well known years ago had a house in the Hamptons and would trade with a small group of guys he charged a pretty penny to. He was the meanest bastard I ever met if you got on his bad side but he could trade. He didn't advertise or anything and he would show 30- 50 lot trades on CL and ES so you will run I to guys like that in this world. SMB is another example the used to have an excellent trading education program for people who wanted to work there. They realized they were giving away valuable information and started charging for it $2k-$3k for a course. Is it worth it, are they scammers??? No! They run a firm and saw an opportunity to monetize their information which you would learn for free if you were hired at any trading desk on wall street. So again Bob is both right and wrong you just have to research and research and if you decide to pay someone to teach you the should be able to show you something concrete like trading accounts, trades and other students as references that have paid them for training.

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...I used to trade with a guy on Pal talk that went by Secretariat, well known years ago had a house in the Hamptons and would trade with a small group of guys he charged a pretty penny to. He was the meanest bastard I ever met if you got on his bad side but he could trade. He didn't advertise or anything and he would show 30- 50 lot trades on CL and ES...

Yeah I remember him...he would take tons of trades in the ES (like more than 30-50 per day) and would call winners if ES simply touched his profit target and would somehow get entries if prices just tickled his entry level. It was quite obvious that he was full of shit and not trading live...but I do agree that he was a mean old bastard.

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I just know the name John Carter, nothing more about him, is he sharing his broker statements year to year?


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Let me just add a few thoughts to Bob's comment; Warren Buffet is very transparent about how he trades so I would never recommend you spend a dime on him teaching you, he shares it willingly for free, he buys what he knows, with very competent management and holds for a very long time that's about as far as you will get with a Buffet strategy. Now as far as trading rooms and educators Bob is both right and wrong. For example let's take a well known guy like John Carter he sells more stuff than a clearance makeup counter, and he's not shy about bragging about it. Yet the guy also trades large and makes decent money year to year on top of whatever he rakes in from selling courses and webinars. So is he a scammer well no, but.....I don't know ow any traders that are consistently using his squeeze setups to make m one in the markets, it's maybe 50% + win/loss so some guys might be profitable but most will lose yet he still keeps selling year after year his insights which people will pay for. This Vinny guy I dont k ow enough about him but I used to trade with a guy on Pal talk that went by Secretariat, well known years ago had a house in the Hamptons and would trade with a small group of guys he charged a pretty penny to. He was the meanest bastard I ever met if you got on his bad side but he could trade. He didn't advertise or anything and he would show 30- 50 lot trades on CL and ES so you will run I to guys like that in this world. SMB is another example the used to have an excellent trading education program for people who wanted to work there. They realized they were giving away valuable information and started charging for it $2k-$3k for a course. Is it worth it, are they scammers??? No! They run a firm and saw an opportunity to monetize their information which you would learn for free if you were hired at any trading desk on wall street. So again Bob is both right and wrong you just have to research and research and if you decide to pay someone to teach you the should be able to show you something concrete like trading accounts, trades and other students as references that have paid them for training.

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It's funny how much good stuff will come out sometimes in a thread like this.

So:


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Let me just add a few thoughts to Bob's comment; Warren Buffet is very transparent about how he trades so I would never recommend you spend a dime on him teaching you, he shares it willingly for free, he buys what he knows, with very competent management and holds for a very long time that's about as far as you will get with a Buffet strategy.

Right. Buffet is an example of someone who shares freely, knowing that he will keep on making money anyway. Of course, you aren't going to get his latest buys and sells before he has to put out a quarterly report for Berkshire Hathaway, his investment vehicle. I was reaching for an example of someone who is very successful and he came to mind. Also, unlike some, he has to publish his actual results, and does.

But put in the name of any other really near-legendary trader/investor, because my only point was that they usually aren't selling their advice -- possibly with exceptions, not to get into a discussions of this or that particular guy.


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Now as far as trading rooms and educators Bob is both right and wrong.

Of course. I do generalize too much sometimes.


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For example let's take a well known guy like John Carter.... I don't know ow any traders that are consistently using his squeeze setups to make m one in the markets

This would be my take. Also, I think the "Squeeze" can be a useful tool (I don't use it, but it can help you see what is going on sometimes), but it is not a ticket to richness. Also, any two people are going to use any tool at least two different ways, and have different results, which consumers of these sites do not usually understand. Basically, at best you can learn from someone, but you can't just apply his/her method and be automatically successful. This applies to every single thing you'll see being sold on the internet or anywhere else, by anyone. At best, it can be useful if you make it your own. Sometimes, it's just another gimmick. Either way, it will not make anyone rich just by following its "signals."

I have lingered on his site a few times, some while ago. All of his stuff seems way overpriced (and some is available elsewhere for free.) He did write a book, which was reasonably priced, and in fact it discussed the Squeeze so you don't really have to buy it from him (or, you can get a good implementation from the Download section in this forum.) But suppose you did, and suppose you made money with it. That would be great, but it would be because of what you put into it as you used it. As is always the case, I believe. (Not an endorsement or recommendation of the Squeeze or any other indicator, technique or trick.)


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I just know the name John Carter, nothing more about him, is he sharing his broker statements year to year?

On the general question of "Is X sharing his broker statements" or any other proof of results, all I can say is, you're kidding, right? Buffet does, because he has to, but you can't hire him.

This doesn't mean they're crooked, but "Buyer Beware" is the best advice. If you find what they say about the market plausible, that's about as much as you'll get, usually. Also, anything can and sometimes will be faked. How could you know that the image of his statement he puts up is real? Do you get a signed auditor's statement sent to you directly from a known audit firm? Not usually. You have to already trust him to believe it, which is going around in a circle.

Again, nothing against Carter or anyone else. Just be careful, with anybody. Don't spend much money. It probably will not be worth it.

And then (not about Carter):


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I used to trade with a guy on Pal talk that went by Secretariat, well known years ago had a house in the Hamptons and would trade with a small group of guys he charged a pretty penny to. He was the meanest bastard I ever met if you got on his bad side but he could trade.


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Yeah I remember him...he would take tons of trades in the ES (like more than 30-50 per day) and would call winners if ES simply touched his profit target and would somehow get entries if prices just tickled his entry level. It was quite obvious that he was full of shit and not trading live...but I do agree that he was a mean old bastard.

Shows how there's always more than one opinion about anything and anyone. Glad there is some agreement, anyway.



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Previous poster mentioned Carter is profitable year after year and trading big, hence my question if there any evidence of that. Fake statements would be already something.


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It's funny how much good stuff will come out sometimes in a thread like this.



On the general question of "Is X sharing his broker statements" or any other proof of results, all I can say is, you're kidding, right? Buffet does, because he has to, but you can't hire him.

This doesn't mean they're crooked, but "Buyer Beware" is the best advice. If you find what they say about the market plausible, that's about as much as you'll get, usually. Also, anything can and sometimes will be faked. How could you know that the image of his statement he puts up is real? Do you get a signed auditor's statement sent to you directly from a known audit firm? Not usually. You have to already trust him to believe it, which is going around in a circle.


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It's funny how these old threads will sometimes suddenly revive for a while.

I thought this was telling:



50 contracts, huh? If he's live he won't need subscribers if he's trading that size. But I think this sums it up well.

Bob.

the site and the room are full of flashes of monitors, the alarms are constantly overwhelming. I do not see any specific 1 contract or 50 inexpensive strategy. just click add contract without plan and program. and just wait for the plus or close with a lot of negative positions. It is not for me a professional access to the market.
neither to clients.

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Thankyou Paypal...you are awesome.

After putting a complaint in, Paypal assisted me in recovering a full-refund from Vinny Emini trading room.

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@VinnyEmini Just wondering, did you sign up as a vendor? Might need to read the forum regulation here to get the approval first from admin.

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lol ... Couldn't help myself... been silent for years - Big Mike, I'm a big fan and well aware and respectful of your no ad policies - I'm a Coder and a Trader - Not here to advertise, but felt the desire to drop a quick note to go ahead and lay out some facts and straighten out this hate thread at least a bit. All are entitled to their opinions, but you might wanna seek out facts. Feel free to drop in the public room any time and "Ask me anything". And yeah... I'm an A-hole. Not perfect, but forgiven. And for the record Mr. usdivers, I gave you your refund without dispute (as we always will). I don't need your money, I say that in the room all the time, but we don't have time for trolls and hand holding while we are in the middle of trading. And there's only room for one A-hole on our team, and I already claimed that roll. And yes folks, I didn't have time to baby sit this troll who couldn't read email instructions, use YT, or listen to our moderators in the live room and refused to try what they walked him thru, then throws a temper tantrum in the room and got under my skin while I as in the dead middle of 2 open trades. SO. WHAT. Also, for the record, I'm nearly 40 years old for those calling me a youngster, I say thank you <3. Anyhow, these trolls aren't telling the whole story, as they never do, and there are plenty on our small but lively team who know better. Back to the markets ladies and gents. BTW - jerks are great traders - it's science <3 Drop by the public lobby sometime and I'll buy you all a round o coffee on the house to simmer yer' britches. I'll even throw in 90 days of premium for you to simply see and judge for yourself, and yes, sometimes we even have a little fun. However, still a #TrollFreeZone so leave your tears and whining before you arrive or Curtis will likely ban you again lol. Seeeee yaaaaa!
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BAN.

Now.

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BTW - jerks are great traders - it's science

If CNBC is your guide for human interaction and decency, you need to get your head checked. Your aggressiveness to tear people down and resort to name calling do nothing but confirm your lack of confidence in your own ability. If you are so "great", who cares what other people think, just keep trading your 80 cars or whatever you trade because you don't need the subscriptions right? If you think great traders are assholes and treat people like dirt, you've been watching too many wall street movies.

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I see Vinny got banned.

If anyone doesn't know, the way to deal with this kind of thing is to click on the little exclamation point ("!") inside a triangle that you will see at the top right corner of any post. You'll go to a page that asks you for a message, you put in whatever the problem was with the post (vendor promotion, rudeness, whatever) and send it off. Either @sam028 or @Big Mike will get it, assuming they haven't already seen the problem post, and they will decide what, if anything, to do. If the moderators don't do anything, they didn't think there was enough reason to.

Often they will see it and act first, but this is how to report a problem.

Simple, no muss, no fuss, no getting into arguments. Problem handled.

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@VinnyEmini Just wondering, did you sign up as a vendor? Might need to read the forum regulation here to get the approval first from admin.

No, he did not.

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Vinny was banned for self promotion. He was permitted, as any vendor is, to defend themselves or answer questions in a vendor thread.

But he is not permitted to blatantly violate our rules for self promotion, with complete disregard for our community.

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Good God.

BAN.

Now.

I rest my case. As you can see this guy clearly has issues.

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I rest my case. As you can see this guy clearly has issues.

Not trying to attack you, but wondering why did you pay him out of the gate? Didn't he has some sort of tryout first for a day or something so you can set up whatever needed to be in his room before paying his fee?

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Not trying to attack you, but wondering why did you pay him out of the gate? Didn't he has some sort of tryout first for a day or something so you can set up whatever needed to be in his room before paying his fee?

The main reason I did pay for one month out of the gate was...I had watched several of his videos...and found them interesting. Further, I found in my experience you can't judge these trading rooms unless you at least spend a good month in them.

I have been trading for a while now, and think I do "ok", but like everyone else, I am always looking for a little more edge to try to lift my daily profit and loss.

However, I got more than I bargained for as you have seen. I am just a normal guy. All this troll stuff really does my head in, I guess I am showing my age by expecting everyone just to be civil and talk things out nicely.... oh well.

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If CNBC is your guide for human interaction and decency, you need to get your head checked. Your aggressiveness to tear people down and resort to name calling do nothing but confirm your lack of confidence in your own ability. If you are so "great", who cares what other people think, just keep trading your 80 cars or whatever you trade because you don't need the subscriptions right? If you think great traders are assholes and treat people like dirt, you've been watching too many wall street movies.

I was curious about that article so I checked it out. The article's final quote?


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Or, at least, that's what the study says. The data appears to have been collected from a very small sample of volunteers, who weren't necessarily professional traders.


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VinnyEmini @ you have to give the opportunity at least 1-2 weeks free live trading room
, so that merchants can bring the court to pay or not. What the show on the tube does not apply to your results. I see you do not have a plan with how much the contract is priced and to hold it. one or two weeks free live trade viewing and proof to make profit but not start 2 contracts so when you go against just adding up to 50 contracts ... this is not a profitable access to the market or to the users.

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He visited our discord room today. Removed him after he got rude, and I started to do research.


Quoting 
Tucker - Today at 12:45 PM
The longer I trade the more I think that the holy grail is found in waiting

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:06 PM
Only job in the world that pays you to wait and do nothing :heart:

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:12 PM
and do marketing for people to buy bulshit oop:

Tucker - Today at 1:15 PM
And so it begins

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:15 PM
hate all you wish, I am simply there to give those who wish to trade with a REAL trader the opportunity to do so, troll and hate all you wish, I offered all my services to those in this room for free

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:38 PM
but only the best please. gold or platinum. we are jealous. and please in writing with signature(edited)

Seth - Today at 1:39 PM
Well he's contributing and only spammed his links once or twice so he's ok for now, but I get how you guys feel. Everyone that comes in here selling something is selling shit.

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:40 PM
Spammed?
do you know of any other trader sharing broker statements and has a free room open 24/7?
And offered you his services free?
Are you asking me to leave? I will, I'm not here to cause issues

Seth - Today at 1:43 PM
Nah you haven't done anything wrong yet from what I can see.

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:43 PM
I appreciate what you are doing here Seth, let me know if you need anything from me or my team
and my offer still stands

Seth - Today at 1:45 PM
Thanks. I'm just trying to help you understand the context. We ban people all the time trying to scam or sell things. If you link a website people are automatically like "eh ok what scam is this one?"

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:46 PM
I know - this industry is garbage

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:46 PM
i want you to stay here !!! we all want the platinum service. then i can afford the platinum american express:bs:

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:47 PM
Platinum members have access to bots and needs 100k account sizes, I doubt you qualify troll

delta - Today at 1:47 PM
I dont mind if he stays here :smiley:

Seth - Today at 1:48 PM
The philosophy here has been more about collaborative effort. So just keep posting your trades and observations. People get an idea of how you trade, and can decide if what you are saying is helpful to them on that trade or not.

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:48 PM
for us you make an exception!

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:48 PM
I offered Gold
Platinum is only 15 members / year or it borks entries for everyone
you understand volume I'm sure
unless you are bonds or ES trader, then fine

Seth - Today at 1:49 PM
Meh not a fan of paid trading rooms. I do not recommend them to anyone.(edited)

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:50 PM
clearly haven't been to a real one

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:51 PM
then you show us how we earn 100k in short time?

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:51 PM
depends on your account size
my targets are 15-25 ticks at a time

Seth - Today at 1:52 PM
Well he says he shows account statements so that is nice at least. Can people see your current positions in your room?

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:52 PM
with 25 tick hard stops
yes
the forex room is open 24/7

Tucker - Today at 1:53 PM
25 tick hard stops???? It takes you that long to tell if you're wrong?! Good lord

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:53 PM
futures room opens in the morning
no foolish troll @Tucker
you know what a hard stop is?
and the difference in a mental stop call?
don't talk about what you dont know

Seth - Today at 1:54 PM
When I swing traded emini I was using 16 tick stops.

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:54 PM
I also have a dot system
never trade against a dot
if a dot shows up you bail as well
yes, ES is exception with tighter stops and targets

Seth - Today at 1:55 PM
do you actually get 15 people in a year to buy an 8k trading room subscription?

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 1:55 PM
vinny short question what moves the markets? and what is market velocity?

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:55 PM
my current trade in futures nq:

if you can beat me, great, if you can't how bout you shut up and listen

Seth - Today at 1:58 PM
pen_mouth: there's a futures.io thread about you

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:58 PM
here's my forex trade:

Seth - Today at 1:58 PM
Wait, how come I'm not getting any trading groupie chicks?
futures.io

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 1:59 PM
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/VinnyEMiniFOREXLIVEStream/live[/yt]

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:00 PM
closing trades - close of market

done for day

delta - Today at 2:00 PM
@VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader at least you take up for yourself, lol asking me to do it was lame :smiley:

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:01 PM
as i stated before - go fuck yourself(edited)
I'm not the nicest guy on the planet
and i don't pretend to be
but i do hate this industry
and most of the people in it
fucking scammers
I shut one scammer site down per year

Tucker - Today at 2:02 PM
Seth, can you kick him? It's just ridiculous at this point

Seth - Today at 2:02 PM
hmm yeah they say that in the fio thread:

"It also doesn't help that Vinnie seems to constantly be in some kind of "beef" with someone, which is damaging to the integrity of the room and no doubt emotionally taxing on himself (at the moment he’s in some war with another YouTube "live” trade room", before that he was battling with an ex-moderator of his own room). This kind of drama creates a toxic environment for any newbie trader."
VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:02 PM
last year I shut down michael oates room
yup
you notive oates2amillion is no longer around?
my legal team shut him down
we shut one scammer down per year
what is your point?

Seth - Today at 2:03 PM
No point we're just sharing info.

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:03 PM
notice all you wanna do is post the negative

Seth - Today at 2:03 PM
So to run a for pay room like that do you have to register with the FTC?

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:03 PM
you should try something positive might change your bank account
yes, I have plenty of trolls obviously

Seth - Today at 2:04 PM
Well so far it's just yeah it was a fun room but now he charges too much for it.

VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:04 PM
I'm done for the day - off to the gym.... toodles, ban me if you wish or take me up on my offer
I'm out

Seth - Today at 2:05 PM
oh wait wait, big mike doesn't like what he sees that's a bad sign.

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 2:05 PM
vinny leads me to money!!!!!:moneybag:

Seth - Today at 2:05 PM

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VinnyEmini-OnYouTube-DayTrader - Today at 2:05 PM
big Mike has never been to the room
ask him
he went off of the lie before that thread from the troll that wrote(edited)
the facts are facts, if you want the truth - ask - or listen to the trolls
you should ask some of my members
ask them how their bank accounts are doing
later

Seth - Today at 2:11 PM
Yeah it's not looking good for him the further into this thread I go...

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 2:11 PM
how do you make a small fortune on the futures exchange? if you start with vinny with a big account! :grin:

delta - Today at 2:12 PM
yeh, pretty rude with big ego...
he clearly has some issue, like it was written on futres.io, ahaha

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 2:13 PM
vinny stay here. we love you :heart_eyes:

Tucker - Today at 2:14 PM
Lol I wonder how many fortunes he's lost in the market
Fuckin blue dot shit lol

Seth - Today at 2:15 PM
lol now we have to write an indicator that draws blue dots.
We can just make it do it randomly like 4 times a day or something

TRADE|THE|TRADERS - Today at 2:17 PM
@Tucker start with big account and at the end a small fortune! understand (edited)

delta - Today at 2:19 PM
no big deal, lil bit of comedy at the end of day, lol

Keith - Today at 2:22 PM
OMG I missed all the fun! :frowning2:

Seth - Today at 2:23 PM
I did ban him btw

My advice is and always will be: never pay for a trading room. Collaborating with other traders is great. I've made good friends through my own livestreaming on Youtube and our Discord chatroom. It has significantly improved my trading. Now, I do have the Patreon thing where I thank people for their support by posting my cryptocurrency valuation charts, but I would never charge people for access to the trading room. People that charge for such things are not interested in being your friend or helping you develop, and they have nothing special that you can't develop on your own. They just want your money.

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I am not sure that I have ever found/been in a really valuable trading room. However, Vinny is sharing his ideas: some of which I find interesting. Although, I haven't evaluated his work to any real degree, yet. I agree he came off bad and out of line with some of the stuff posted. Perhaps, he will learn from his mistakes and come back better one day. I do not have any relationship with this vendor at this time nor in the past. And, I have never been in his live room.

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From my brief interaction with him, I found him exceedingly defensive and cruel in his mannerisms. I don't know if his strategy works. I would guess that it wins between 25 and 35 % of the time, and that its drawdowns are enormous. He spoke of "blue dots", which seemed like nonsense; I don't trade off of indicators though, so perhaps he's found an edge in programming something with which I have no experience.

I was incredulous that he used 25 tick stops in the ES. Sure, there are some methodologies which call for wider stops, but this vendor's style seemed to be based in shorter time frames. Think of the YouTube trading addict; click-click-click all day long and make thousands of dollars in seconds. This is the type of trader to which this vendor advertises.

To those who might point to recent ES volatility--I agree, using even a 20 tick stop in ES might get you whipped out of a position. Yet the vendor became aggressive when I expressed my incredulity, and told me "don't talk about what you don't know". We had never previously discussed any experience which I may or may not have in trading ES, so this claim is baseless.

Like other vendors I've seen in the past, this individual points to his incredible successes without acknowledging his blowout days. He'll acknowledge his losing trades, sure. But you can bet your ass that this vendor advertises -$200 losing days alongside $8000 winning days. Because "Nobody is perfect, even we lose!", but nobody will pay thousands of dollars for the vendor's courses if he advertises more realistic numbers.

Buyer beware. This man is almost certainly a fraud. His casual interactions with complete strangers decayed into name-calling, profanity-filled tirades. If you ever considered buying his material, put the money into your brokerage instead. It'll be better for you in the long run!

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@lax99 Thank you for your perspective. I agree buyer should be very wary in this business and ask for evidence for any claims. I do not disagree that he came off poorly. But, I will note a few bits of information: he has posted some large losing videos on YouTube. And he was reviewed/verified by Dr. Dean Handley but yes they had some issues back/forth and Dr. Dean eventually posted a review that stated he seen brokerage statements that he really trades.

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@lax99 Thank you for your perspective. I agree buyer should be very wary in this business and ask for evidence for any claims. I do not disagree that he came off poorly. But, I will note a few bits of information: he has posted some large losing videos on YouTube. And he was reviewed/verified by Dr. Dean Handley but yes they had some issues back/forth and Dr. Dean eventually posted a review that stated he seen brokerage statements that he really trades.

I have no experience with the vendor other than the posted conversation. Based on my brief experience, I would not give this person a penny. To any beginning traders--do not follow this vendor!

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lol, this scammer is still out there selling his shit...
This guy trades on demo and do brokerage statements in photoshop. No real trader on institutional level waste time with youtube channel, nor some indicators based on price, ahaha

Dont buy, sue him if you bought. His sort of strategies are copies of what you can find on internet free, just renamed.

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i found Vinny because he ran a Battlefield 3 server. I was like whoa, TRADERS playing VIDEO GAMES? I figured it would be great fun to play with him and chat about trading. When I mentioned that I also traded stocks, he said I was a peasant and that stocks were for spoiled millennials like me and that futures were what REAL MEN traded. I can’t help but feel his whole operation is a big troll.


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Hey All,

I am one of Vinny's students. He does an amazing job. You can watch him trade every day and he posts his winning and losing days. Who else does that? It's been years since anyone has posted about Vinny E-mini's systems. He is still online doing it and posting his accounts. I feel fortunate to be one of his crew...

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Summary:
My opinion after two years: Vinny Emini Trade room is where you want to go if you need to learn, want to be a team member with a team leader and continue down this path with him. If **YOU** want the truth, spend some time there and form your own opinion.
This will be an HONEST review about Vinny Emini trade room and **MY** experience.. relate to it however you want.
A little about me: I've been trading now for a measly two years. I must say with some satisfaction that it's been a successful two years. I exited the USMC after 10 years of service due to a medical disability and I needed to find a way to provide for my family. I needed an income that depended on ME and not my hours.
As many of you know that are current or more experienced traders, trading requires MANY characteristic traits from you as a PERSON that real life simply just won't teach you. As a trader you must have discipline, tenacity, determination, quick wit, intelligence, your own flare, your own stomach for your own pain for your own risk tolerance. Simply put, the list goes on and on and on for what you need as a trader. EVERY trader is different and I was no different.
About Vinny's trade room:
The good When I 'stepped' into Vinnny's room I knew jack-squat about trading. I barely even knew it existed.. I saw the picture and was hooked. This is because it's what I needed at that precise time; me versus the world with a mentor behind me. That's what I got. A mentor. I learned about patterns, price exhaustion, ranges, congestion, patterns, programming and more. For someone that knew jack-squat about trading this was a lot to chew on. The cold hard truth is sure, I could've spent a year on my own learning everything Vinny taught in a compressed three months, but for those willing to walk around with a bluetooth in their ear at work (I worked for three months after the Corps) and nod to their bosses when they spoke like I did this is a blessing in disguise.

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birds that can not fly. has any one every seen one with there dome up swing size that can trade day in day out. they know a lot about trading . they just can not do it. venny included .

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"Gaming Theory" lol

That is awesome. Must be a spoof.

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i found Vinny... When I mentioned that I also traded stocks, he said I was a peasant and that stocks were for spoiled millennials like me and that futures were what REAL MEN traded. I can’t help but feel his whole operation is a big troll.

This is classic Vinny. He operates under the ideology that insulting and belittling others is necessary to give himself a self-imposed sense of credibility.

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I wrote the attached thread in good spirits out of a "new years resolution" at one point for Vinny Emini.
I now redact everything ever good I've ever said about this individual. I hope his karma catches him and quickly.
The purpose of me replying to a post I've made here is the simple fact that we as users are not allowed to delete our previous posts if older than 24 hours. While I am sure this is in good spirit of keeping a thorough log I can't figure out for the life of my why even a Mod shouldn't be able to delete a redacted opinion about such scum.
Anyway, my opinion on the matter: Don't get caught up in his lies and bulls--t like I did. Save your money and learn to trade elsewhere.
Vinny Emini will prey on you for who "you" are as person. His marketing skills are that of a legend, I give him that. He's "social" skills are that of a fiend. He will latch on to you, attempt to bleed you of your money, attempt to make you think "24 ticks" or whatever the F--- he's going for now is the golden ticket.
There is not one indicator he uses (when I was in his room) that you can not find for free on the internet in the forums, or pay a MUCH less cost than what he is charging you. He is a thief, a liar, a fiend, a scum bag and much much more. Do not get caught up in this spider web of shi-.
If you want his "Gold coins, knife or 'awesome dots' look no further.
++ NEVER, FUCKING NEVER, PAY FOR ANYTHING IN TRADING UNLESS ITS ABSOLUTELY CUSTOM++
Vinny Emini starter package.
He charges you 10k for items that are not real gold (perhaps my own foolishness to think they were, more lights and dazzle). He then charges you for a "mentor" library that is complete garbage. Just go browse Youtube and figure out for yourself how to trade a wedge, a penant, a triangle, whatever you want to call it. It's not hard.
Next, figure out how to trade his "golden rivers" by simple using a 50 and 200 SMA or EMA, not hard.
Next, figure out how to contact Ninjacators and purchase their ABCD Wave indicator. It's precisely the same thing.
Next, become a member of futures.io. The community here is much better and you don't have to listen to someone degrade people all day for "$5 coffee tips"

Well, my rant is done. Good luck to all and may your higher power save you if you give this fiend your money.




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My opinion after two years: Vinny Emini Trade room is where you want to go if you need to learn, want to be a team member with a team leader and continue down this path with him. If **YOU** want the truth, spend some time there and form your own opinion.
This will be an HONEST review about Vinny Emini trade room and **MY** experience.. relate to it however you want.
A little about me: I've been trading now for a measly two years. I must say with some satisfaction that it's been a successful two years. I exited the USMC after 10 years of service due to a medical disability and I needed to find a way to provide for my family. I needed an income that depended on ME and not my hours.
As many of you know that are current or more experienced traders, trading requires MANY characteristic traits from you as a PERSON that real life simply just won't teach you. As a trader you must have discipline, tenacity, determination, quick wit, intelligence, your own flare, your own stomach for your own pain for your own risk tolerance. Simply put, the list goes on and on and on for what you need as a trader. EVERY trader is different and I was no different.
About Vinny's trade room:
The good When I 'stepped' into Vinnny's room I knew jack-squat about trading. I barely even knew it existed.. I saw the picture and was hooked. This is because it's what I needed at that precise time; me versus the world with a mentor behind me. That's what I got. A mentor. I learned about patterns, price exhaustion, ranges, congestion, patterns, programming and more. For someone that knew jack-squat about trading this was a lot to chew on. The cold hard truth is sure, I could've spent a year on my own learning everything Vinny taught in a compressed three months, but for those willing to walk around with a bluetooth in their ear at work (I worked for three months after the Corps) and nod to their bosses when they spoke like I did this is a blessing in disguise.


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The purpose of me replying to a post I've made here is the simple fact that we as users are not allowed to delete our previous posts if older than 24 hours. While I am sure this is in good spirit of keeping a thorough log I can't figure out for the life of my why even a Mod shouldn't be able to delete a redacted opinion about such scum.

Because, generally speaking, moderation is not about being the caretakers of users who changed their mind about something or someone.

I too wrote pretty glowing reviews about certain vendors or products for which today I have a different opinion.
Does that make me entitled to delete my old posts? No. That was a view expressed at a point in time and, like all points of view, can be subject to reassessment.

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Not long ago I got an email from Vinny. I unsubscribed. I continued to receive them. I Replied to them asking to be removed. The result was a barrage of insults that ranged from "How ugly I am" to "How stupid I am." He informed me I was "retarded" in his Room. Does this sound like a legitimate Professional?

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Can someone please explain what this feature means/does? I see it on all of the threads but still don't understand what it is for or how to use it. Sorry.

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Can someone please explain what this feature means/does? I see it on all of the threads but still don't understand what it is for or how to use it. Sorry.

It's just an editable dummy post that any Elite member can fill in with any summary information they think will make it more understandable to a new reader of the thread, or that allows easy access by linking to parts of the thread. You can put anything in there that you want. You don't see it used much, but sometimes a summary of a thread is useful to the membership.

There's some boiler-plate text that is automatically inserted and that explains it well: "Quick Summary is created and edited by users like you... Add FAQ's, Links and other Relevant Information by clicking the edit button in the lower right hand corner of this message."

Notice that there is a high level of responsibility here. Anything put there should be factual and useful, since in a way it will be an introduction to the thread.

Also, any other Elite member can change what any other puts in there, so pissing matches are possible, but a very bad idea.

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Maybe I am missing something here my friend but what does this have to do with trading? Did you use the wrong link?

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Maybe I am missing something here my friend but what does this have to do with trading? Did you use the wrong link?

Apologies for the delayed response. It is simply a link to the "Golden knife" in which that said vendor is happy to attempt to fool any new trader (which I was at the time) into thinking it was actual godl .... I know I know... shame on me. I just simply want people to have a link to it to let them know that there is no real trading edge there no matter the cost.

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I can't freaking believe it! I got another email from this a--hole again today!

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I can't freaking believe it! I got another email from this a--hole again today!

In some area it is illegal to spam mail

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0038-spam

If you try to unsubscribe from an email list and your request is not honored, file a complaint with the FTC.


Anyways, I joined his discord room, and watch his interaction, It seems if you are not kissing his butt you will get kicked/insulted. Lol I prefer not to be in such a snowflake filled bubble. His youtube channel hasn't grown in years averaging only a few hundred views. I wouldn't be surprised if his trading performance is similar.

I wouldn't recommend a system that is depended on anyone, let alone that person.

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Guys -- I have been been in and out of trading for a long time.

I have did try Vinny Eminis room and I can say that his room does make money in the markets.

They mostly trade ES, GC, Dow (YM), and NQ..... and the system makes money.... It does take skill -- but a lot of traders in his room are profitable.

I am mostly new to the room only been there 3 months really.


The ones trading micros are making around 300- 500$ a day.... on the micros

The ones trading the real contracts Eminis -- they are making on the low end 1200 to 3000 -- up to 4000$ on 80 to 90% of the days.

They have loss days and the losses are relatively small --- like -100 to -300 for the day or just basically break even for the day.... on the EMINIs --

I have seen breakeven or small loss days about 10-15% of the time. They happen when the market is VERY VERY VERY HARD CORE... Like if the market has hard core volatility up and down... If the VIX shoots up AND you have that kind of hard core sideways price action.... then yea they will have a loss day >>> or a break even day.

BUT THOSE DAYS are hard core and most traders would have LOST a ton or should have stayed out of the market completely.

In days like that I STAY THE F OUT of that market completely and try to switch to another market that is chill to make some money OR I WILL GET F'ed. But that is just me. It is a million times better to just trade a SLOWER AND UNCORRELATED MARKET >>> WITH MAYBE EVEN another system un related to the first one . Have that other market in the background and trade that slower and uncorrelated market when the ES, NQ, YM, Russell are going crazy.

It is ALWAYS a million times better to make 2 or 3 hundred bucks one day than LOSE 2 or 3000 bucks!

I know myself and that is what happens to me on hard core days like that.

So on Hard core days like that I will try to have the extremely slow and boring FOREX or THE Z Contracts on the side/background and if the day is EXTREME HARD CORE on the EMINIS I will trade those.

This is because Vinny's system is a hardcore "everything-line-up" system He found a lot of things that work and have edge >>> but when they line up they multiply and you get Ultra High Probability - DIRECTIONAL - trades.

So that system does find trades everyday >>> unless it is an ultra hard core -- ultra high volatility and ultra choppy day >>> and Vinny still makes some money on those days >> or breaks even.

So you would need A LOT LOT of experience with his system to make money on the absolute most extreme scenarios of market conditions >>> AGAIN LIKE crazy news hitting the markets... things like that.

Which again >>> most traders SHOULDN'T BE TRADING those times anyway. :O We should IMMEDIATELY change to 6E, 6B, 6A, or the ZB, ZN -- the slowest markets and "MOSTLY" uncorrelated to the Eminis.

I say Mostly uncorrelated because basically all the financial markets are connected now pretty much.

Big moves in the Eminis still affect the Euro, and the other Z contracts -- because the big boys have sooooooooooooo much capital to move that they will move from one market to the other even if they are not 100% correlated.



Anyway -- moral of the story -- is that the system does have edge.

It is what I call a "everything-super-super-lines-up" system and those systems produce high probability trades in the direction of all the "line up".... if that makes sense.


So that system >>does work. on 80 to 90% of the market time. Except >>> when you really shouldn't be trading the market anyway >> unless you have a ton of skill and experience.

Again --- keep a slow market in the background.

Learn a slow market also.

I prefer Forex contracts -- they are "slow" but not DEAD SLOW like the Z's.

and they have good tick sizes and good margins and you can pull 500 to 1000 out of them relatively easily. Only thing that a trade on those markets takes forever.


But I always try to keep a slow market -- in the back ground as a back up -- in case volatility and news get too insane for me on the ES, Dow, Russel, and Nasdaq. I don't like just switching to micros on those days >> because that would mean losing money --- because you are placing the same trades as in ES but you would just lose less money.


Every trading system has its limitations -- the good thing is that the market is only insane - insane --- INSANE >> a small percentage of the time. Then it stabilizes and "trades normal" after that short crazy period.

The Banks don't like surprises either. We don't like surprises and neither do they.

You can trade Vinny's rules and systems on the slower and uncorrelated markets also. It is not "tied" to a specific market.
Or
Just have what ever other system you want for that other slower market.

I took Dr. Van Tharp's Courses on Systems development and those courses were freaking great.

And also the Peak Performance classes where also absolutely fantastic.

In Dr. Tharp's System class he talks that you have to find AND OR CREATE a system that FITS YOU and your time frame that you want to trade or can trade.

If you really can't trade in the mornings or do short term trading then you need to create a longer term bases system.

Vinny's system is more tuned to shorter term trading -- and intra-day.

But Vinny has a few classes that you show that you can "tune the system" for longer term trading...

You do that by increasing the size of the charts to do the analysis on --- and change a few other things. That way you would increase the size of your trades. You would get less trades -- but for larger moves and you have to adjust your stop also -- so it would take a much larger account to trade like that also....

but I would say Vinny's system is much much more "tuned" for intra-day more fast daily trades. Be in and out and done for the day.... pretty much....

If that kind of system does not work with you and your psychology and your daily time/schedule -- then Van Tharp would say that you need to trade another system and maybe trade of a HIGHER TIMEFRAME and you would be alot alot more chill, calm and relaxed with your trading.

Like if you traded of some kind of long term market profiles or something like that...

In the Van Tharp courses one of the instructors named RJ had one of the absolutely most fantastic and ultra ultra chill systems in that I had ever heard of. He literally just made ONE SINGLE trade per day >>> haha that's it...! One trade >>. and he made sure it was a 1.5R trade and he only traded of higher timeframes.... and that was it. and he only checked that trade like 3 times a day. :O

It was pretty damn crazy --- That to me had to win the world's most chill trading system in the world. One trade per day of long term charts. <<<< but at that point <<< that is not "day trading" that is more like investing or something like that.

Some people really really need to trade at that level of chill. Just one trade per day >>> while you do a ton of other things >> travel >> teach Courses at Van Tharp >> whatever...


That is something that people don't consider -- is -- Does the system FIT YOU and YOUR PSYCHOLOGY and YOUR TIME that you have available to trade.

That is important to consider. Really really important.

In Van's Courses we spent the first Day and half just going over all OUR Psychology and it is pretty intense.

You have to get clear on that psychology and your timeframes and your goals >> so that then you can find a system that works for you >>> or tune another existing one to work good enough.

You can tune Vinny's system to trade higher contracts but I still think it is more of a sports car type system -- like fast and nimble than a transport, cargo slow airplane/truck/ship type system like RJ's system was/is.

Anyway -- those are my 2 cents on this.

Again
Vinny lines up 3 or 4 timeframes together.... with pullbacks... and harmonics... and other things together.... for short term trades.
He has plenty of vids online that you can see on it.

It does take some skill to learn -- and you have to wait for all the factors to "line up". That is why I call it a Confluence/Line up system.... versus something like Market Profile is more of a always Sideways type system. Market Profile you are kind of selling the VA High and buy the Low .>> hoping those levels will hold or whatever... I suck at market Profile. I don't like it >> but I am not sure Market Profile works all on its own. Alone I don't think market profile works -- honestly. I could be wrong but that is my opinion and experience. If someone is making market profile work -- I don't know -- they would have to show me for me to believe it. :O I have seen about 2 or 3 people that make Market Profile work.... but they also use 2 or 3 other things along with it --- not just MP.

Again that is just my opinion -- I suck at Market Profile -- so take that with a grain of salt. I have only seen like 3 dudes make Market Profile work and really >>> they are just really really good Price Action traders with Market Profile as an "extra" help.

Anyway -- that is my opinion on this. His room and the system do make money -- but it takes practice with the system and "waiting" for all the things to "line up".

I will leave reviews for all the other trading instructors that I have tried right now as well.

I will leave a review for Dr. Van Tharp's Peak Performance course in another thread. Like I said in one of those threads - I HONESTLY think that traders should start with Dr. Van K Tharp psychology courses first -- to learn how to make a system fit you or which system fits you. Peak Performance was great. I think better than Systems classes.
After you do those then you can find systems that work for you.
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That was an amazing review. Very nice! Funny thing is, I just received an invite after talking with Vinny for a while. I was curious on what the room is all about and the AlgoBox.




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