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Hello all,

Can someone help me out please regarding Vinny E-Mini Algobox please? I am not trying to start a fight, just looking for experienced help.

I watched his Trading Challenge a few months ago with him and Cameron Ross, and honestly, Vinny beat him and made alot of money trading real time and showed his NT8 equity curve every single day of the challenge. I was impressed as I have never ever in my 6 years of trading seen a trading education teacher show their real live trading results with real money. I even thought about buying algobox seriously and honestly.

Question please:

1. If Vinny is making money with his AlgoBox and showed it live, why is he causing so much disturbance with futures.io and some other guy? Why not just sell this system to customers and move on with life.

What am I missing here? Am I not seeing a trading scam of some sort being sold because I am blind or lack the experience.

Or is AlgoBox legit and safe for buying and using.

Thank you,

1) The 'trading contest' with Ross Cameron was fake. Cameron had no idea he was even in a contest

2) The 'trading contest' results are NOT verified by a regulated 3rd party. They may be fake even though he shows what looks like a real CQG trading account in the NT8 Trade Performance tool. I spoke with
Ninjatrader support and they said it's possible to hack the NT8 local SQL compact database and replace account names. Vinny has done private youtube livestreams which can be edited.
Also he could be using a delayed data feed in sim and then hacking the local DB to replace the account name with one that looks like a real CGQ account.
We have seen that his public youtube livestream trading performance is far worse than his performance in his recent private streams.

3) There is no regulated 3rd party verification that Vinny has made any money trading ever over a 2 year or longer period.

4) He blew up his collective2 trading account and then made excuses about the C2 server being down which there is no proof of (we have not seen the server logs/C2 won't show them).
There is only some proof that he couldn't connect to the C2 server from his browser at certain points in time but his -51K trade was open for 4-5 days according to C2.
Vinny never showed his broker statements or actual NT8 trade executions for that trading period to prove that he really didn't lose money and that it was just a C2 reporting issue.

5) Vinny admitted on video to running the 'trading contest' against Ross for marketing purposes.

6) Over the years numerous people have asked him to show his NT8 trade execution window it has been reported that he simply banned them from his discord room.

7) Vinny will usually not show the last few digits of his trading account in his 'broker statements' making it impossible to verify that he is trading the same account

8) Spoke with AMP support about Vinny's broker statements. They refused to verify them and told me to assume that they are fake.

9) Vinny has had many trading disasters where algobox traps him in bad trades and then he takes massive losses. Of course we don't really know how big the losses were in percentage terms because until recently
he did not show the 'total money' in his account. See his trading for 9/26-29/2016, 2/11/2019, 10/24-30/2019 for a few examples.

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Hello all,

Can someone help me out please regarding Vinny E-Mini Algobox please? I am not trying to start a fight, just looking for experienced help.

I watched his Trading Challenge a few months ago with him and Cameron Ross, and honestly, Vinny beat him and made alot of money trading real time and showed his NT8 equity curve every single day of the challenge. I was impressed as I have never ever in my 6 years of trading seen a trading education teacher show their real live trading results with real money. I even thought about buying algobox seriously and honestly.

Question please:

1. If Vinny is making money with his AlgoBox and showed it live, why is he causing so much disturbance with futures.io and some other guy? Why not just sell this system to customers and move on with life.

What am I missing here? Am I not seeing a trading scam of some sort being sold because I am blind or lack the experience.

Or is AlgoBox legit and safe for buying and using.

Thank you,

vinny emini is a well known scammer. he spends most of his time marketing and trying to cause drama to get noticed in hopes of people trying out his 'system' when he's really trying to lure you into his cult of personality. once you go to his room, you can never say anything which questions his credibility which in itself is a red flag. everyone there must sing the praises of vinny and must be committed to marketing his system. since he doesn't actually make any money off of trading, he has to spend all of his time marketing and trying to get people to buy his 'system' which he can revoke your license at any time. everything he does is for entertainment value only and designed to deceive people who don't have a solid system of their own.

if you want to make money, your best bet is not to spend any money with that scammer. he'll have no problems spending hours on the phone or whatever to talk to you because he will try to emotionally manipulate you and con you out of your money, but vinny nor any of his students have actually posted any real track record, and when asked to do something like a public trading contest like robbins, he'll spend more time just dodging the issue or trying to attack and discredit the contest... for a guy who likes to say he'll do any trading 'challenge', he sure loves to avoid actual real ones.

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Although I hate to add anything more to this wretched thread, I can't help but point out the obvious economics: if someone is selling a trading system instead of just keeping it to himself and trading it, there's a reason, and that's because he can make more money that way.

If someone puts an enormous amount of time and energy into selling his system, he is simply demonstrating that the system is something he can sell more profitably than he can trade it. Look where someone puts his own effort and you will see where the value lies for them.

This is really the point, aside from all the considerable drama this whole thing has generated. If someone wants to sell you his wonderful system that will make you rich, then you know how he plans to get rich himself: selling it to people like you.

All the other stuff, the drama and marketing claims and special trading rooms and all the rest is just how he's getting it sold. Nothing can change the economic fact that selling it is better for him than making money by trading it. Someone will always be willing to buy the promise of big money from a fast-talking stranger, if it's packaged up the right way.

If isn't important to try to verify the claims being made. That rabbit hole will be deep and twisty and hard to figure out. If the promise is made, that's enough to know what is going on.

It's amazing that there are people who don't get this, but some don't. Don't be one of them.

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vinny emini is a well known scammer. he spends most of his time marketing and trying to cause drama to get noticed in hopes of people trying out his 'system' when he's really trying to lure you into his cult of personality. once you go to his room, you can never say anything which questions his credibility which in itself is a red flag. everyone there must sing the praises of vinny and must be committed to marketing his system. since he doesn't actually make any money off of trading, he has to spend all of his time marketing and trying to get people to buy his 'system' which he can revoke your license at any time. everything he does is for entertainment value only and designed to deceive people who don't have a solid system of their own.

if you want to make money, your best bet is not to spend any money with that scammer. he'll have no problems spending hours on the phone or whatever to talk to you because he will try to emotionally manipulate you and con you out of your money, but vinny nor any of his students have actually posted any real track record, and when asked to do something like a public trading contest like robbins, he'll spend more time just dodging the issue or trying to attack and discredit the contest... for a guy who likes to say he'll do any trading 'challenge', he sure loves to avoid actual real ones.

Thanks for the response,

Yes, he seems pretty difficult to work with and have a somewhat unkind personality.

However, I do not care about someone personality, I care about following and learning and studying from real results driven people, and there is no denying it, from June 2021 to about September, 2021 Vinny made about $150K, starting from $2.5K. And he recorded it and showed it on video everyday.

How do you justify that Vinny way of trading does not give a trader an edge and high probability of making money vs these other teachers who show absolutely nothing of making money. Just all theory.

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Although I hate to add anything more to this wretched thread, I can't help but point out the obvious economics: if someone is selling a trading system instead of just keeping it to himself and trading it, there's a reason, and that's because he can make more money that way.

If someone puts an enormous amount of time and energy into selling his system, he is simply demonstrating that the system is something he can sell more profitably than he can trade it. Look where someone puts his own effort and you will see where the value lies for them.

This is really the point, aside from all the considerable drama this whole thing has generated. If someone wants to sell you his wonderful system that will make you rich, then you know how he plans to get rich himself: selling it to people like you.

All the other stuff, the drama and marketing claims and special trading rooms and all the rest is just how he's getting it sold. Nothing can change the economic fact that selling it is better for him than making money by trading it. Someone will always be willing to buy the promise of big money from a fast-talking stranger, if it's packaged up the right way.

If isn't important to try to verify the claims being made. That rabbit hole will be deep and twisty and hard to figure out. If the promise is made, that's enough to know what is going on.

It's amazing that there are people who don't get this, but some don't. Don't be one of them.

Bob.


Hello Bob,

Yes, I understand all the selling stuff and marketing Bob. But there is no getting around it, Vinny made $150k in about 3 months and all clearly video for public to see.

I do not mind buying if good quality and making money.

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1) The 'trading contest' with Ross Cameron was fake. Cameron had no idea he was even in a contest

2) The 'trading contest' results are NOT verified by a regulated 3rd party. They may be fake even though he shows what looks like a real CQG trading account in the NT8 Trade Performance tool. I spoke with
Ninjatrader support and they said it's possible to hack the NT8 local SQL compact database and replace account names. Vinny has done private youtube livestreams which can be edited.
Also he could be using a delayed data feed in sim and then hacking the local DB to replace the account name with one that looks like a real CGQ account.
We have seen that his public youtube livestream trading performance is far worse than his performance in his recent private streams.

3) There is no regulated 3rd party verification that Vinny has made any money trading ever over a 2 year or longer period.

4) He blew up his collective2 trading account and then made excuses about the C2 server being down which there is no proof of (we have not seen the server logs/C2 won't show them).
There is only some proof that he couldn't connect to the C2 server from his browser at certain points in time but his -51K trade was open for 4-5 days according to C2.
Vinny never showed his broker statements or actual NT8 trade executions for that trading period to prove that he really didn't lose money and that it was just a C2 reporting issue.

5) Vinny admitted on video to running the 'trading contest' against Ross for marketing purposes.

6) Over the years numerous people have asked him to show his NT8 trade execution window it has been reported that he simply banned them from his discord room.

7) Vinny will usually not show the last few digits of his trading account in his 'broker statements' making it impossible to verify that he is trading the same account

8) Spoke with AMP support about Vinny's broker statements. They refused to verify them and told me to assume that they are fake.

9) Vinny has had many trading disasters where algobox traps him in bad trades and then he takes massive losses. Of course we don't really know how big the losses were in percentage terms because until recently
he did not show the 'total money' in his account. See his trading for 9/26-29/2016, 2/11/2019, 10/24-30/2019 for a few examples.

Hello Analytic,

Thanks for the replay.

Are you saying that the NT8 equity curve that Vinny showed on his youtube during the contest each day was fake or real?

Thanks

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Hello Analytic,

Thanks for the replay.

Are you saying that the NT8 equity curve that Vinny showed on his youtube during the contest each day was fake or real?

Thanks

I'm saying there is no 3rd party verified proof that it's real.
The guy has a history of constant outright lying. Everything he puts out should be fully verified.
I listed many red flags, there are many more you will find if you do the research.

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Thanks for the response,

Yes, he seems pretty difficult to work with and have a somewhat unkind personality.

However, I do not care about someone personality, I care about following and learning and studying from real results driven people, and there is no denying it, from June 2021 to about September, 2021 Vinny made about $150K, starting from $2.5K. And he recorded it and showed it on video everyday.

How do you justify that Vinny way of trading does not give a trader an edge and high probability of making money vs these other teachers who show absolutely nothing of making money. Just all theory.

"real results driven people, and there is no denying it, from June 2021 to about September, 2021" ?

you serious about that? lol there's no proof of him making any money. all of his videos are done after the fact and done in replay. nothing he has every done in real time has made any money. and $150k is nothing. i know so many people who make way way more than that on a weekly and sometimes daily basis. he's just another con artist. he has no students that have ever performed. most of the people who i know who have been in his room who paid for his course and software lost basically all of their money trading using it and eventually went back to using a different system, and all vinny does is try to shame people and say they are low IQ and they failed to use the system correctly. again he has never given any actual real results and neither has any of his students.

you would have been much better and just went long TSLA last year and made 12x and competed in an actual competition like oliver kell who netted about 961% returns in a 3rd party verified competition.
the US investment championships. https://financial-competitions.com/

heck you would have done far better just going long NVDA leaps and made 20x so far in less time than vinny talks about. if you want to throw your money away at vinny, then go ahead and feel free since clearly you don't have a pathway to make money, you might as well throw your money at another loser/scammer anyhow.

and you aren't being actually objective about what you are processing vinny... all you keep on doing is harping the same non-sense as if he made money which leads me to suspect you are just another vinny account or one of his marketers. tell vinny he should go back to actually trying to trade instead of marketing... maybe he could have made some money by now instead of depending on conning people for money, but the proof is in his actions and all his actions suggest is that all he does is spend his time marketing... causing drama/beef with other educators and trying to scam those students as well. he's not out to try to 'protect' you from scammers... he's actual just another scammer.

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all you keep on doing is harping the same non-sense as if he made money which leads me to suspect you are just another vinny account or one of his marketers.

Hi @gammarisktrader, while I agree that there is reason to suspect that Vinny is just another scammer, it is not OK to post a statement such as this about another futures.io member, that he is perhaps Vinny or a marketer for him. @goodoboy has been on this forum for some time, and while I think he is mistaken in looking for anything of value from Vinny, at most he is simply too trusting.

Please keep any comments about other members professional and stay within the forum's standards of civility.

Thanks.

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Someone will always be willing to buy the promise of big money from a fast-talking stranger, if it's packaged up the right way.


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Hello Bob,

Yes, I understand all the selling stuff and marketing Bob. But there is no getting around it, Vinny made $150k in about 3 months and all clearly video for public to see.

I do not mind buying if good quality and making money.

Well, I hope you do understand my point, but I am not sure you do.

I do not know whether he made 150k in three months or not. Granted, he may have, and I do not have any way to truly know one way or another. Except that it is basically and deeply unbelievable that anyone who could make that kind of money in that kind of time would be out there hustling for customer subscriptions. Even when he is looking for the very high amounts that he is charging people.

Now, it's your money and if you have several thousand you are willing to send to him, you can do it. I think that would be nuts, and I don't care what supposed evidence anyone has to support it. Nuts is nuts. Believing some supposed evidence in an online world where anything can be easily faked is not a sensible move.

This thread contains a lot of information about Vinny. I hope you have read it, or that you do, and that you pause a little before you turn over your money.

If you decide to in spite of this, come back later and tell us how it worked out.

Bob.

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