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As far as audited true brokerage results go, I checked--C2 shows the account and its results are now private. I don't know how long that's been, but lots of C2 system sellers start off well and then crash and burn and hide their results--but continue to crow about the brief period they were successful. This is one reason to be skeptical about posted results, even real results. You can have a great day where your system works perfectly and use that day to promote it. It's not a way to get the truth about how it really works. I have no experience with AlgoTrader good or bad. I do know the charts and videos posted are incomprehensible to me. I'd need more information to justify spending the time to get into the manuals and training videos, even though they are free. Posting Monday's trading results with a video and maybe an explanation of the trades taken would certainly help me!
I remember Bernie Madoff provided years of audited trading performance for his firm and his customers--and they were all fake. I'm saying nothing about WTG by mentioning that.
Look, these days it's really easy to demonstrate your abilities as a trader. Announce today that you'll open an account at a reputable futures broker and start trading October 1st and end trading October 31st. Make it real, not simulated, not replay. Do a screen recording of each day's trading session. Post that and your daily account statements each day. Lay it all out, warts and all. If you're a good trader, you'll have a good record for the month. Use it to publicize your trainings or trade room or books or whatever.
Has anyone EVER done that? If not, why not?
Note how so many trading journals here start out with big plans for consistency and daily posts, then get spotty and disappear.
This is a tough game. We know that ALMOST ALL will lose money trading futures in the long run, but we're egomaniacs who think we're the exception--the brilliant person who can beat all the odds and succeed. Most of us are wrong about that. (Including me.)
Realistically 5 contracts × 40 points = 4k , if a trader cant trade 40 points in a session I would be very reluctant to share my trades or teach anyone anything!
At this point, there has been more than enough from the pro-Vinny and anti-Vinny sides, with plenty of heat but no light.
@vstolyarov, you continue to post unreadable charts followed by plugs for his discord group and repeating "100% free to try," which is nothing but promotional, offering no new information and misusing the forum. Your latest post has been deleted. If you post more of your promotional campaign, you will be banned.
@Analytic, it is clear that you do not approve of this vendor's products. It is not necessary to repeat the point.
This forum exists to benefit traders who are looking for useable information. This forum is not for the usual internet promotions, commercialism and flame wars.
This will be enforced.
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
@Analytic, I think it's obvious who you are referring to in your post. What we mean to stop is both sides of the back-and-forth, and to restore some normality to this thread.
Your criticisms were not the worst part of it, but it all has to stop. This is not a battleground, and it can't become one.
I have deleted your latest post also, for that reason. If you had stopped with "Will respect your wish on this," it would have been much better.
Now, let's have peace.
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
You'll have to excuse Analytic. You'd be upset too if Vinny was literally sending people to your house to harass you.
I myself had personal information posted on his Discord as well, and that's just a small part of the harassment he's thrown at me over the years. So it's a little hard to sit here and see people say this is a simple matter of some people having "issues with this particular vendor". It's not just that he makes fraudulent performance claims. He's a complete sociopath that tries to hide his bad behavior by bullying and harassing anyone that dares to speak up.
Such behavior is important to point out here, and I don't think it's been adequately covered by the most recent discussion. So while I'm sure speaking up will result in more harassment, I feel obligated to stress the point to any unwitting soul that is actually considering this vendor. What we're seeing in the thread is clearly an effort by Vinny to try and overwhelm people with conflicting information. Hence why you're getting so many comments by posters with almost no post history. So I hope the admins are keeping good records, and recording IP's. It could be useful to prove social media manipulation if the FTC ever gets involved.
