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GOMI all NT7/8 & SC; MP & Orderflow @ Gomicators.com from original GOMI

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GOMI, original creator of GOM MP, has created a fully recoded enhanced multi-platform professional MP (volume based) and Order Flow for delta insights.

The new GomMPPro builds upon the open source GomMP hosted on futures.io, and includes multiple new features, like:
• Much faster Drawing
• New color modes : DeltaOnly and VolumeAndDelta
• Hotkeyed horizontal positioning
• Customizable HotKeys
• Availability of last daily profiles on the left side of the chart giving instant contextual view
• Automatic missing data file detection
• Runs now on NinjaTrader 7, NinjaTrader 8 and Sierra Chart, including the custom profile drawing feature

The new GomOrderFlowPro (Footprint) is a completely new design, it features
• Very fast drawing
• Automatic bar width sizing
• Automatic price level aggregation that always a display of always readable numbers
• Automatic font sizing
• Multiple and customizable hotkeys to change bar coloring and text
• Displays delta imbalances, which can be horizontal or diagonal, and based an a ratio or a difference
• Displays unfinished auctions and bar maximum volume
• Runs now on NinjaTrader 7, NinjaTrader 8 and Sierra Chart

Please go to GomiCators.com to review the products and download free 20 day trials for all three (3) platforms.

GOMI is currently requesting feedback for additional improvements.

Please use this Vendor forum for these posts specific to the new platforms and not about the previous open source versions.

BEST OF LUCK TO @gomi.






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GOMI, original creator of GOM MP, has created a fully recoded enhanced multi-platform professional MP (volume based) and Order Flow for delta insights.

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@gomi, NT7's Strategy Wizard only accesses DataSeries and not IntSeries or Bool variables.

Any chance you make the GOMI Pro system expose standard information such as MP and OrderFlow's POC, VWAP, Value Area, and HVN, LVN information so it can be used in Strategy Wizard for non-coders? This could be through direct access to these indicators or through other indicators that can be used as you set up for the open source copies using Profiling Toolkit.

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Thanks for the thread !

These indicators are very much optimized for drawing, they don't do dataseries because you can change settings using Hotkeys. In the case of a setting change, instead of having an instant redraw like it is now, you would have to go through a full indicator update, making it (in my opinion) very less user friendly for it's intended purpose.

It leaves us with a NT8 version of the profiling toolkit, I could publish one if someone's interested, but I'm not sure a lot of people used it , it was quite crude gory stuff if I recall..

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It leaves us with a NT8 version of the profiling toolkit, I could publish one if someone's interested, but I'm not sure a lot of people used it , it was quite crude gory stuff if I recall..

Can you clarify what profiling toolkit you are talking about?

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This one :

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Thanks for the thread !

These indicators are very much optimized for drawing, they don't do dataseries because you can change settings using Hotkeys. In the case of a setting change, instead of having an instant redraw like it is now, you would have to go through a full indicator update, making it (in my opinion) very less user friendly for it's intended purpose.

It leaves us with a NT8 version of the profiling toolkit, I could publish one if someone's interested, but I'm not sure a lot of people used it , it was quite crude gory stuff if I recall..

@gomi, understandable response and smart decision. Do not spend any time on that profiling kit for NT8. Not sure I would be able to understand it or create a workable strategy from it.

Best of luck!

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What will the pricing be? Is it officially for sale or is it still in project?

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I'll add the pricing tab this week end.

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Just a quick note to mention I published the Gomicators pricing.

Here's the core info :
It's subscription based, one indicator 29 USD monthly, 249 USD yearly ; both indicators 49 USD monthly, 399 USD yearly.

You can use the indicators on the 3 platforms.

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@gomi, I had expected (hoped) that the new release would have MOST of the capabilities included in the Metro Edition(s.) The primary items would be the bottom section of statistics and the multiple varieties of side bars.

Statistics is VERY good. It is much more informative that just visual cues.

On the Unfinished Auction (business) can you offer the option to have a line instead of just the cell color? Once the primary cells move off the screen the UA info is gone with it. This can happen very quickly in a fast market. And of course you wold not want it on a renko chart so it needs to be an option.

Large imbalance highlighting would also be good. As well as COT and reversals. I can send you a nice Metro edition if interested.

Additionally, I modified a version of Metro Edition to expand neutral from a binary <> 50% to have a few percent still considered Neutral - like 47 to 53 percent. This helps to highlight movement stalls. If just 1 tick puts the color to a buy or sell color it skews your thinking that the trend is still in tact. Just a recommendation that there be a percent variable available for neutral.

Since this is now DLL coding no one can modify it from the vendor supplied version so it is important to get it all in the vendor release. Please let us know if you will be doing the Metro Edition capabilities.

Thanks for all you do.

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@gomi, I had expected (hoped) that the new release would have MOST of the capabilities included in the Metro Edition(s.) The primary items would be the bottom section of statistics and the multiple varieties of side bars.

Statistics is VERY good. It is much more informative that just visual cues.

On the Unfinished Auction (business) can you offer the option to have a line instead of just the cell color? Once the primary cells move off the screen the UA info is gone with it. This can happen very quickly in a fast market. And of course you wold not want it on a renko chart so it needs to be an option.

Large imbalance highlighting would also be good. As well as COT and reversals. I can send you a nice Metro edition if interested.

Additionally, I modified a version of Metro Edition to expand neutral from a binary <> 50% to have a few percent still considered Neutral - like 47 to 53 percent. This helps to highlight movement stalls. If just 1 tick puts the color to a buy or sell color it skews your thinking that the trend is still in tact. Just a recommendation that there be a percent variable available for neutral.

Since this is now DLL coding no one can modify it from the vendor supplied version so it is important to get it all in the vendor release. Please let us know if you will be doing the Metro Edition capabilities.

Thanks for all you do.

I was always curious why people would use exotic bar types in a volume ladder. in the example below I took unirenko (not as bad as default renko because of the wick) and you can clearly see the volume ladder shows a different picture than just the bars (high and low of the bar). that's due to the artificial open.

just hope people are aware of that


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I was always curious why people would use exotic bar types in a volume ladder. in the example below I took unirenko (not as bad as default renko because of the wick) and you can clearly see the volume ladder shows a different picture than just the bars (high and low of the bar). that's due to the artificial open.

just hope people are aware of that


@Silvester17 you missed this post from Gomi


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I was always curious why people would use exotic bar types in a volume ladder. in the example below I took unirenko (not as bad as default renko because of the wick) and you can clearly see the volume ladder shows a different picture than just the bars (high and low of the bar). that's due to the artificial open.

just hope people are aware of that

@Silvester17, so am I reading this that you are now an advocate of exotic bars like UniRenko?

I do think they have their place with other standard or ChartStickVolume bars on minute volume or tick charts.

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@Silvester17, so am I reading this that you are now an advocate of exotic bars like UniRenko?

I do think they have their place with other standard or ChartStickVolume bars on minute volume or tick charts.

no, not at all an advocate of exotic bars or any other bars for that matter

my post was only intended to show that renko bars used in a volume ladder may have a different look. I chose unirenko only because they're widely used around here.

for myself, I favor simple old range bars. but there's absolutely nothing wrong with minute, volume, tick etc. this is a personal choice.

even some exotic bars can be useful, but maybe not in a volume ladder

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no, not at all an advocate of exotic bars or any other bars for that matter

my post was only intended to show that renko bars used in a volume ladder may have a different look. I chose unirenko only because they're widely used around here.

for myself, I favor simple old range bars. but there's absolutely nothing wrong with minute, volume, tick etc. this is a personal choice.

even some exotic bars can be useful, but maybe not in a volume ladder

Could you explain the issue. The charts you showed both have the unirenko- and to me the volume ladder still looks readable: is there some distortion?

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Could you explain the issue. The charts you showed both have the unirenko- and to me the volume ladder still looks readable: is there some distortion?

Normal chart uses artificial open ( even though there is no actual tick at that open ) , but in volume ladder open ( or any other price ) is decided by actual tick. You can see the difference by comparing open price location in above chart posted by
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@gomi, I had expected (hoped) that the new release would have MOST of the capabilities included in the Metro Edition(s.) The primary items would be the bottom section of statistics and the multiple varieties of side bars.

Statistics is VERY good. It is much more informative that just visual cues.

On the Unfinished Auction (business) can you offer the option to have a line instead of just the cell color? Once the primary cells move off the screen the UA info is gone with it. This can happen very quickly in a fast market. And of course you wold not want it on a renko chart so it needs to be an option.

Large imbalance highlighting would also be good. As well as COT and reversals. I can send you a nice Metro edition if interested.

Additionally, I modified a version of Metro Edition to expand neutral from a binary <> 50% to have a few percent still considered Neutral - like 47 to 53 percent. This helps to highlight movement stalls. If just 1 tick puts the color to a buy or sell color it skews your thinking that the trend is still in tact. Just a recommendation that there be a percent variable available for neutral.

Since this is now DLL coding no one can modify it from the vendor supplied version so it is important to get it all in the vendor release. Please let us know if you will be doing the Metro Edition capabilities.

Thanks for all you do.

@gomi, any chance there is another release with the Metro edition type statistics and other notes above?

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Yes I'll be posting shortly a new version containing naked POC/naked UA, and S/R Zones based on consecutive levels of imbalances. You'll get a dialog box when it's available for download.



For massive stats matrix, I'm not a big fan of those, I find them to eat up your screen real estate, and overwhelm you with numbers..

Of course if there's some demand for stats I'll add them :-)

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OK new version up , if evertything goes as planned, you guys should get a dialog box next time you restart Ninja and use either indicator.

Changelog :

GomMPPro 5.1 :
Corrected a bug of developing POC not showing up
Added a RightToLeft/LeftToRight HotKey
Added a HVN/LVN Toggle HotKey
Added a HVN/LVN minimum size change HotKey
Corrected a bug on ToggleList working only once every 2 times
Corrected property naming on NT8
Corrected misdrawings when BarSpacing was used
GomOrderFlowPro 1.1
Added naked POC/naked UA
Changed delta calculations on NT8 to conform Sierra specs
Added S/R zones based on consecutive levels of imbalance
Added possibility to change font color
Now let's tackle some well needed documentation :-)

HINT :
*if you want to be able to shrink the candles, you need to disable the "auto bar width" autosizer



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Yes I'll be posting shortly a new version containing naked POC/naked UA, and S/R Zones based on consecutive levels of imbalances. You'll get a dialog box when it's available for download.



For massive stats matrix, I'm not a big fan of those, I find them to eat up your screen real estate, and overwhelm you with numbers..

Of course if there's some demand for stats I'll add them :-)

this chart looks similar to one of the ones I was looking at on orderflownalytics. Does it have similar parameters? If it does that would rather good as your product is a fair way less expensive..

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Dunno what orderflowanalytics settings are, but on GomOrderFlowPro basically it's
*Diagonal imbalance
*Imbalance ratio= 3 ( bids > 3*asks or asks>3*bids)
*Number of imbalance levels to define a S/R zone : 3

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Dunno what orderflowanalytics settings are, but on GomOrderFlowPro basically it's
*Diagonal imbalance
*Imbalance ratio= 3 ( bids > 3*asks or asks>3*bids)
*Number of imbalance levels to define a S/R zone : 3

could you discuss it in relation to the bars. In each bar there is a grey shaded area: what does that signify in relation to its proximity to the top or bottom of each bar? and some have gold at one end or the other, why do some bars not have the gold tip??

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Gray shaded area is the POC of the Bar.
Golden zones mean unfinished auctions , or unfinished business (mean the same)
Check here :
Unfinished Business ? New Feature ? Footprintchart.com

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OK new version up , if evertything goes as planned, you guys should get a dialog box next time you restart Ninja and use either indicator.

Changelog :

GomMPPro 5.1 :
Corrected a bug of developing POC not showing up
Added a RightToLeft/LeftToRight HotKey
Added a HVN/LVN Toggle HotKey
Added a HVN/LVN minimum size change HotKey
Corrected a bug on ToggleList working only once every 2 times
Corrected property naming on NT8
Corrected misdrawings when BarSpacing was used
GomOrderFlowPro 1.1
Added naked POC/naked UA
Changed delta calculations on NT8 to conform Sierra specs
Added S/R zones based on consecutive levels of imbalance
Added possibility to change font color
Now let's tackle some well needed documentation :-)

HINT :
*if you want to be able to shrink the candles, you need to disable the "auto bar width" autosizer



How are S/R zones triggered?

I notice sometimes there are 3x consecutive imbalances and you see a S/R zone, while other times you see 3 x consecutive imbalances with no S/R zone.

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with the default settings is should trigger on each 3x consecutive, unless you set up a size filter requiring you want a minimum of X contracts in your S/R zone

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but yes your are right I see a problem.

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OK new version up , if evertything goes as planned, you guys should get a dialog box next time you restart Ninja and use either indicator.

@gomi,

just to let you know, that dialog box showed up after restarting ninja. excellent idea

also have to say, that order flow pro is an amazing piece of work. congratulations, well done!!

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@jmont1 I'd also like to take the opportunity to address the sidebar issue you mention

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@gomi, I had expected (hoped) that the new release would have MOST of the capabilities included in the Metro Edition(s.) The primary items would be the bottom section of statistics and the multiple varieties of side bars.

On the gom volume ladder, you could have 4 side bars, with a data type of volume, deltadiff, and total delta per level.

Concerning the total volume,you can show the total volume using the MP indicator.

Concerning the deltadiff I really doubt anyone used it except for the funky colors.

Concerning the total delta per level, I think GomVolumeLadder sidebar did not give a very useful information with all these numbers and colors.
I think you will get a better view using the MP in the "DeltaOnly" mode , and apply a little smoothing.

Here's an example with a comparison between (from right to left) GomVolumeLadder, GomMPPro in VolumeAndDelta mode, GomMPProin Delta mode and GomMMPro in Delta mode with 5 smoothing.



Another example using daily profiles

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@jmont1 I'd also like to take the opportunity to address the sidebar issue you mention


On the gom volume ladder, you could have 4 side bars, with a data type of volume, deltadiff, and total delta per level.

Concerning the total volume,you can show the total volume using the MP indicator.

Concerning the deltadiff I really doubt anyone used it except for the funky colors.

Concerning the total delta per level, I think GomVolumeLadder sidebar did not give a very useful information with all these numbers and colors.
I think you will get a better view using the MP in the "DeltaOnly" mode , and apply a little smoothing.

Here's an example with a comparison between (from right to left) GomVolumeLadder, GomMPPro in VolumeAndDelta mode, GomMPProin Delta mode and GomMMPro in Delta mode with 5 smoothing...

@gomi, thank you for this very good response. I will work with the indicator further to set it up.

REALLY LOVE that it runs on the three (3) platforms so that when I collaborate with others on SC or NT7/8 we are all looking at the same thing.

Plus it works really fast. Glad there will be a vendor supporting it rather than just hoping someone will pay attention to a support request in the forums.

I hope you do really well with this. You deserve it. THANK YOU!

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Plus it works really fast. Glad there will be a vendor supporting it rather than just hoping someone will pay attention to a support request in the forums.
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Just an off-topic comment, and my personal opinion.

If a single tool available for free from FIO deserve to be updated and supported by a vendor this is Gomi's stuff. The complexity and the possibilities of this kind of tools needed it, @gomi should have done this years ago!

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OK published new version,
* Corrected the "S/R zones not showing up sometimes" bug mentioned in the thread
* removed the surrounding rectangles so the the bars look less bulky and more candle-y
* added a bar spacing setting in case you want more room between bars.
* disable automatic price level aggregation as a default setting.

You guys should get a dialog box on a ninja restart :-)

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OK published new version,
* Corrected the "S/R zones not showing up sometimes" bug mentioned in the thread
* removed the surrounding rectangles so the the bars look less bulky and more candle-y
* added a bar spacing setting in case you want more room between bars.
* disable automatic price level aggregation as a default setting.

You guys should get a dialog box on a ninja restart :-)

@gomi, Thanks for the updated version. AND really appreciate your extending everyone's trial to give more time to test.

Was wondering if there was a possibility of adding another "Main Setting" "Plot Mode" for minutes. It would be great to be able to put a 60 minute plot onto an intraday chart.

Thanks again!

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On the profile you mean ? a 60 min profile on the chart ?
The problem is that sierra has no easy multitimeframe capabilities..
But I've been getting this request already, so I think I'll implement something using a publish/subscribe method, ie, you can publish profiles from one chart on other charts.
Or maybe have sierra guys add access to other charts volume at price info.

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On the profile you mean ? a 60 min profile on the chart ?
The problem is that sierra has no easy multitimeframe capabilities..
But I've been getting this request already, so I think I'll implement something using a publish/subscribe method, ie, you can publish profiles from one chart on other charts.
Or maybe have sierra guys add access to other charts volume at price info.

@gomi, that would be great. Yes a 60 minute profile on a Tick, Volume or even minute chart.

Also, I assume that the extra bars we can select at the left are always daily MPs and do not have an option.


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GOM Order Flow Pro highlights the POC on each bar. May I request you allow color selection for that POC? Currently it seems to be a grey color and it would be great if it could be a full color selection or colored by high side, i.e... blue or green for bigger ask, OR red/orange for bid POC level.

Thanks.

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OK published new version,
* Corrected the "S/R zones not showing up sometimes" bug mentioned in the thread
* removed the surrounding rectangles so the the bars look less bulky and more candle-y
* added a bar spacing setting in case you want more room between bars.
* disable automatic price level aggregation as a default setting.

You guys should get a dialog box on a ninja restart :-)

@gomi

Just a quick note of thanks for the excellent implementation of so many of the concepts that came out of years of studying your original versions of the Volume Ladder.

Well done.
Thank you.


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Thanks!

Just wanted to mention that with the current free implementation of GomMP you can use a toggle list to toggle between your preferred settings, ie OnScreen;Daily;Last5Days .
It will allow you to see different profiles without using screen real estate.
You can also instantiate 2 GomMPs and use an horizontal offset to see them side by side.

Just in case you prefer it as compared to the VolumeLadder volume side bars...


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Thanks!

Just wanted to mention that with the current free implementation of GomMP you can use a toggle list to toggle between your preferred settings, ie OnScreen;Daily;Last5Days .
It will allow you to see different profiles without using screen real estate.
You can also instantiate 2 GomMPs and use an horizontal offset to see them side by side.

Just in case you prefer it as compared to the VolumeLadder volume side bars...


that's how I do it and I like it a lot

instead of the side bars, I have the gom mp pro. now on that chart are all the information I consider important.


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that's how I do it and I like it a lot

instead of the side bars, I have the gom mp pro. now on that chart are all the information I consider important.



Nice Chart

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Last night on the Eurostoxx, there was an unfinished business print based on a 4 range chart.
But with a 1 range chart you can see that the level was hit 6 times (during 5-6 minutes) and removing the unfinished business ? what was established on 21.26 PM

My question is:
Is the "unfinished business" still there, to your opinion, so we have to look at it "timeframe" dependant. Or maybe the unfinished business is cleared ?
Would it be possible to filter this.?


Pic makes it more clear i hope.
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What does it means the colors inside the histogram?


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Last night on the Eurostoxx, there was an unfinished business print based on a 4 range chart.
But with a 1 range chart you can see that the level was hit 6 times (during 5-6 minutes) and removing the unfinished business ? what was established on 21.26 PM

My question is:
Is the "unfinished business" still there, to your opinion, so we have to look at it "timeframe" dependant. Or maybe the unfinished business is cleared ?
Would it be possible to filter this.?


Pic makes it more clear i hope.
Thanks

Most everything we do in trading is subjective. One trader's entry is another trader's exit.

The U/A indicator is based on a bar showing trades at both the Bid and at the Ask at the extreme of a bar, your example illustrates that condidtion on your larger range chart but only one instance on the smaller range chart.

You ask is the "unfinished business still there?", in my opinion the demand [buying] that came in there to lift the offers is likely still there [to be tested the next time price returns to that level]. That's why price moved away from that area.

I do not believe it would not make sense to "filter" this, it would make sense to look for these Unfinished Auctions on different timeframes to give yourself "confirmation" that it wasn't an anomaly based solely on the timeframe you were looking at that caused it in the first place.

The screenshot below shows a 3 tick Reversal chart beside a 5 minute chart, on the ZB
I have circled the U/A's that occurred at the same price levels, suggesting the levels exist across multiple timeframes.
For me that is confirmation, for another trader that information might be considered meaningless.

The interpretation is yours to decide.

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Hi @Silvester17

What does it means the colors inside the histogram?

hi @ignacio90,

it shows the volume and the delta. there're 5 different settings you can choose from:


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Hi,

Uploaded a new version
* corrected a few problems on profile (outline was off when using a tick mode on a delta plot, no historical on sierra)
* added COT to OrderFlow
* added an option to replace all the delta info on the orderflow with a candelstick, seems easier to read than all the numbers..
* corrected a few problems on the orderflow(naked UA sometimes not showing up)


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Hi,

Uploaded a new version
* corrected a few problems on profile (outline was off when using a tick mode on a delta plot, no historical on sierra)
* added COT to OrderFlow
* added an option to replace all the delta info on the orderflow with a candelstick, seems easier to read than all the numbers..
* corrected a few problems on the orderflow(naked UA sometimes not showing up)


Hi Gomi,

thanks for your great indicators. Just two things.
The Delta Candle is missing at the top or the bottom of the chart, as you can see in the rectangule (auto scale this icon??)


Will it be possible to obtain a separate indicator for Volume Delta and VPOC per bar as you can see in this image? Or anyone knows if they are already available in futures-io?


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Hi Gomi,

thanks for your great indicators. Just two things.
The Delta Candle is missing at the top or the bottom of the chart, as you can see in the rectangule (auto scale this icon??)


Will it be possible to obtain a separate indicator for Volume Delta and VPOC per bar as you can see in this image? Or anyone knows if they are already available in futures-io?


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Hi JC,

I dont know if this indicator is available here in futures.io, but here you have two payment sources...

1.- RanchoDinero suite: Rancho Dinero | Acme Volume Profile Pack see: Acme Volume Profile VPOC
2.- http://ninjacators.com/systematic-order-flow-success-bundle/ See: Volume Cluster Distribution.

Hope this help.

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Hi Gomi,

thanks for your great indicators. Just two things.
The Delta Candle is missing at the top or the bottom of the chart, as you can see in the rectangule (auto scale this icon??)



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here's one way to fix that in nt7:

- the "delta and volume candles or text" are not visible




- right click in the price scale and select properties
- increase margin lower and upper


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Do you think will be nice to have an alarm/sound when a SR/RS is generated??

Is it possible to know with Gomicators when an exahustion bar is generated, similar to OFA??

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Hi,

Uploaded a new version
* corrected a few problems on profile (outline was off when using a tick mode on a delta plot, no historical on sierra)
* added COT to OrderFlow
* added an option to replace all the delta info on the orderflow with a candelstick, seems easier to read than all the numbers..
* corrected a few problems on the orderflow(naked UA sometimes not showing up)


Gomi
Isn't there a lifetime license purchase option ? not a monthly or annual lease

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Hi,

@jcherra : could you be more specific about what you call an "exhaustion bar" ?
@omrangassan : sorry lifetime licenses are not available.

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Hi,

@jcherra : could you be more specific about what you call an "exhaustion bar" ?
@omrangassan : sorry lifetime licenses are not available.

Gomi

Hi Gomi,
I don't know how OFA define an exhaustion bar (I think they call it, OFA EXA indicator). OFA paints it with a yellow square in the graph, and they looks very well. They could be exhaustion buys or exhaustion sells.

I attach some examples in graphics from tweets published.









I am trying to match this with GomOrderFlowPro without any succes so far.

Also as I said in my previous message it will be nice to have an alarm/sound when a SR/RS is generated.





Thank you so much for your incredible indicators.

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Could you share the tweet ID from you got this images, please ?

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How does the pro version compare to the free version?

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Hi,

On the MP
* Works on NT8 & Sierra
* Customizable Hotkeys
* Missing data detection (useful on minute charts, since Ninja use a tick feed and a minute feed, so when using a minute chart you need to be sure all the ticks are present or the profile is false)
* Added VolumeAndDelta , and Delta paint modes
* Added the possibility to plot last daily profiles on right side of the screen
* Hotkeyed horizontal offset to move the profile
* UpDownTick uses Ninja tick files, BidAsk mode automatically records a GomFile

On the Order Flow
* Works on NT8 & Sierra
* More cell plotting options (numbers and histograms and delta based color hue)
* Autosizing to always show readable values, automatic font sizing
* Unfinished auctions and POCs
* Plots naked unfinished auctions and POCs with history
* Diagonal/Horizontal imbalances with specific coloring/sizing
* Plots of S/R zones based on consecutive imbalances and history
* Customizable hotkeys


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for new users of footprint (volume ladder) charts, some of the features may be a little overwhelming or difficult to understand. so hopefully a brief explanation will help. in most cases I used the original description from market delta:





- delta
displays the cumulative (net) delta for the entire bar. It is cumulative for the entire bar

- total volume
displays the total volume that occurred for each bar. It is cumulative for the entire bar

- unfinished auction
An “unfinished auction”, sometimes called “unfinished business”, is the term used to describe when the extreme price for a bar (either high, low, or both) has both buy AND sell volume

- poc
displays the highest volume at a specific price for this specific column

- min delta
displays the lowest overall delta value achieved for the entire bar. It is cumulative for the entire bar

- max delta
displays the highest overall delta value achieved for the entire bar. It is cumulative for the entire bar

- delta finish
This is the pullback of delta from it's last high or low. If Delta last bounced off it's high before completing bar, the finish will be negative (or zero). If Delta last bounced off it's low before completing bar, the finish will be positive (or zero)

- cot high
cumulates the delta (ask volume minus bid volume) in the bar tick after tick (trade after trade). But it is reset to 0 on the tick which is either a higher high (within the bar) or a repeat of the former high of the bar

- cot low
cumulates the delta (ask volume minus bid volume) in the bar tick after tick (trade after trade). But it is reset to 0 on the tick which is either a lower low (within the bar) or a repeat of the former low of the bar

the cot calculations are a little different from the original gom volume ladder. now we have a standardized definition, showing the same data on all platforms.

I tried to show/explain the cot from the original gom volume ladder here:



and here's how it looks like with the GomOrderFlowPro version:


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Awesome Silvester, thanks!

I finished first version of the doc of the settings, hope it helps

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Whenever i see your crisp charts of volume ladders and explanations you give, it lure me to use volume ladders.


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Whenever i see your crisp charts of volume ladders and explanations you give, it lure me to use volume ladders.


I hope that's not a bad thing


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now that we know what those features are, maybe a good thing would also be to give some examples how to use them. please keep in mind there're many different ways to do that and I don't consider myself as an expert.

one of the more common setups is a delta divergence. if the market goes down and you have a price bar with aggressive selling, but the bar closes higher, that would be a bullish divergence:




now to make it even more interesting, we can look for a bar with a max delta of 0 (zero). that means the entire bar never had a positive delta. and also the higher the delta finish, the more I like it. in our example delta finish = delta (-1230) - min. delta (-1804) = 574. I also prefer not to have an unfinished auction in that price bar (price tends to revisit those levels)




another interesting constellation is volume imbalance. you could use an operator threshold of 1, which means every level is highlighted and will give you a visual help to see the dominant order flow. you could also use a higher threshold which will show you strong bid/ask volume and could also be used as support and resistance levels. helpful in case of a pullback.




also interesting are negative imbalance with price bar closing higher and positive imbalance with price bar closing lower. another kind of divergence:




next we have the cot. especially this part is very interesting imo. quote from @gomi:


Quoting 
High positive HighCOT and high negative LowCOT can be used to spot potential reversals, because in both cases, a
lot of traders tried to aggressively take the price beyond the bar’s high and low, and failed.



since I use range bars (closing price is always high or low), I will only get one cot. in up bars a low cot and in down bars a high cot. the other end (close) will be zero.

those were only a few examples and there're many more. hopefully we'll have some more contributors. maybe real experts like @ignacio90.

and finally a few things to remember. all the above mentioned setups should NEVER be taken blindly. there're days you'll get countless delta divergences. and many of them will result in a loss. without considering other factors, those divergences become unreliable. not any better than a nyse tick divergence

in my trading, I rely heavily on the daily vwap, but I'm also using quite a bit of discretion.

btw a good source is always market delta:

https://www.xtick.com/

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Gomi,

Many thanks for the release of your products for Sierra.

One question (I have emailed you this as well but will post the same question here for others) - which Sierra package do you need to use your indicators ?

Since they effectively replace the built in numbers bars/footprints I am hoping we only need package 3 but I'll wait on the answer.

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now to make it even more interesting, we can look for a bar with a max delta of 0 (zero). that means the entire bar never had a positive delta. and also the higher the delta finish, the more I like it. in our example delta finish = delta (-1230) - min. delta (-1804) = 574. I also prefer not to have an unfinished auction in that price bar (price tends to revisit those levels)


Another reversal scenario = min delta > max delta, bar close with positive delta, close higher than previous bar close. So price aggressively sold down, however, managed to fight back and close strong.

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One question (I have emailed you this as well but will post the same question here for others) - which Sierra package do you need to use your indicators ?

Since they effectively replace the built in numbers bars/footprints I am hoping we only need package 3 but I'll wait on the answer.

Hi,

Yes package 3 is enough.

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Another reversal scenario = min delta > max delta, bar close with positive delta, close higher than previous bar close. So price aggressively sold down, however, managed to fight back and close strong.

Not trying to be facetious at all here, just trying to understand. How can min delta ever be greater then max delta? By definition, does it not always have to be lower?

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don't forget, min and max delta are for the entire period of the bar. in the example below, the bar started with a sell of 10, giving a min delta of -10 (max delta = 0) and of course a delta of -10. then followed by a buy of 18. now that gives a max delta of 8 (-10 +18), min delta remains at -10 and a delta of 8. then followed by a sell of 1. that didn't change the min or max delta, but changed the overall delta from 8 to 7.


Exactly. Throughout this example, min delta is ALWAYS less then max delta. It has to be. It's like asking for the low of a bar to be higher then its high.

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ok, I see now what you mean

of course -10 is less than 8. but we're talking about something else. the min delta value of -10 is a bigger value than the max delta of 8. you compare the number 10 with the number 8.

Exactly, we are talking about Min delta being greater than the Max delta in relative terms. So the Min ask vol-Bid Vol is a greater negative number than the Max Ask Vol-bid vol is a positive number.

For example, sellers come in and hit the bid so delta for that bar goes to -10, those sellers are then down liquidating and buyers step up and start hitting the ask, price then moves back up and breaks the range of that bar, closing higher than the previous bars close, while Delta finished up +7.

The opposite would apply to a sell side reversal scenario.

* This type of reversal is only useful on a range chart, or a PnF chart( probe & rotation)
* Look for in an extended range eg when price exceeds +/-2STD from VWAP.

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I'm happy now that I did not attend high school! After all Delta007>Delta-10 > Delta8

What a Delta finish??

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Thanks @Silvester17 & @Neo1 for the orderflow patterns. Been trying to find some patterns for weeks, but consistency is hard to find, even with parameters like volume steps and resistance levels at hand.
Did loads of internet searches if certain patterns could be recognized, via screen capture or so. Maybe Googles tensor flow can do it but that is completely out of my league.
Think it would save tremendous amount of time in analyzing data and studies.
So the question is does anyone know if the market analyzer can do this type of thing, or if there is software out ?
Tried both the market analyzer from NT8/NT7 but to no success. But i have no idea the capabilities of Sierra Chart. Did see that Linnsoft has something but it goes not deep enough as far i can see, as you only can read delta not delta min/max, COT and delta finish.
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Thanks @Silvester17 & @Neo1 for the orderflow patterns. Been trying to find some patterns for weeks, but consistency is hard to find, even with parameters like volume steps and resistance levels at hand.
Did loads of internet searches if certain patterns could be recognized, via screen capture or so. Maybe Googles tensor flow can do it but that is completely out of my league.
Think it would save tremendous amount of time in analyzing data and studies.
So the question is does anyone know if the market analyzer can do this type of thing, or if there is software out ?
Tried both the market analyzer from NT8/NT7 but to no success. But i have no idea the capabilities of Sierra Chart. Did see that Linnsoft has something but it goes not deep enough as far i can see, as you only can read delta not delta min/max, COT and delta finish.
Peter

Are you suggesting using Machine learning techniques to identify patterns in order flow? I doubt Machine learning is going to produce a magic result, there's still the need to select certain parameters. This is probably a topic you should start another thread on.

Personally, I would only look at machine learning techniques during optimization, but I'm a noob.

The "delta" examples posted in this thread can easily be identified in SC using simple alert formulas.

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Thanks @Silvester17 & @Neo1 for the orderflow patterns. Been trying to find some patterns for weeks, but consistency is hard to find, even with parameters like volume steps and resistance levels at hand.
Did loads of internet searches if certain patterns could be recognized, via screen capture or so. Maybe Googles tensor flow can do it but that is completely out of my league.
Think it would save tremendous amount of time in analyzing data and studies.
So the question is does anyone know if the market analyzer can do this type of thing, or if there is software out ?
Tried both the market analyzer from NT8/NT7 but to no success. But i have no idea the capabilities of Sierra Chart. Did see that Linnsoft has something but it goes not deep enough as far i can see, as you only can read delta not delta min/max, COT and delta finish.
Peter

Peter @mokum, I'm not really a SC user, although I have tried to leave NT without success.

Patterns can have many variations so you may just be discounting these but there is a SC study called Candlestick Pattern Finder. Have you looked at that and possibly modifying it to your set ups? I have not tried it so cannot help.

If you get a copy of NT7 or 8 even as a trial it does have a candle stick pattern indicator. But it only does one at a time. There are variations that will do all. But these are primarily based on the up/down, open/close of patterns. None look at market delta. But might be a starting point.

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I have a variation of NT7's candle Stick Pattern that has an adjunct indicator used for strategies. But I have messed the code up a bit and trying not to post it till I get it cleaner. Of course that would not be good for SC unless you have it converted OR run it in NT sim and manually enter trades in SC.

BTW, @gomi is a contract programmer. If you really believe in your strategy you could contact him to code it.

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my preferred condition is when the market is ranging. easier to spot good entry and exit levels than in a trending market. and normally there will be more opportunities. however, the same logic can be applied in a trending market. as always, I use the vwap (only daily and eth) for guidance. in a up trending market like today, a good entry level for a pullback is the first upper sd band or the vwap itself. and then we can confirm the entry with our footprint chart.

here're some examples. my favorite one is number 3. a big bullish delta divergence, large min delta value, max delta = 0, negative volume imbalance and trade location also close to imminent support created by a positive volume imbalance:












as already mentioned before, there's no guarantee it will work every single time. I don't know anything that does. but I believe this is a valid approach and you'll know pretty fast if it fails.

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Does Gomi ladder work with PnF chart?

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Does Gomi ladder work with PnF chart?

Thank you,
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Yes

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Hi @gomi

I've been looking at order flow & footprint tools a lot recently. Order Flows has some concepts I have not see elsewhere.

Ratio bounds low
Ratio bounds high
Price rejection
Delta surge/scalper

Not sure if you have seen these before or have comments on the features. I would certainly greatly appreciate any thoughts you have on them. And on whether your nee product has
similar functionality.

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Interesting Dr Rumpy.

I had a look at the website and some similar concepts to Gomi's great tool.

He also has a youtube channel so may be some decent ladder analysis in there somewhere.

We are all forever learning so if there is any good educational material in his youtube stuff I'm sure I will enjoy it

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Interesting Dr Rumpy.

I had a look at the website and some similar concepts to Gomi's great tool.

He also has a youtube channel so may be some decent ladder analysis in there somewhere.

We are all forever learning so if there is any good educational material in his youtube stuff I'm sure I will enjoy it

I could not find any channel. Can you post the links ?

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I could not find any channel. Can you post the links ?

Order Flows | Trading Decisions Based On Order Flow Analysis
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI37HXPO1f4o9j4SA83-Iog[/yt]

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Out of interest I had a look at a couple of the videos on that channel.
Some good basic stuff on profile and order flow but I can't see any useful additions in those tools that aren't already in Gomi's tools.

For example, re the "ratios" that they go on about I think that the Numbers Bars Calculated Values in Sierra gives you better options to display than the ratio. I'll leave you to look at that ratio and form your own views.

Just my two cents worth.

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Hello all,
I have a feature request for @gomi and wondering if others think the same.

The feature is that the last 3 "current bars" can be displayed in detail (if wanted), and the rest of the bars "shortend" this way you can get a better view of the S/R lines.
At this moment i use 2 screens to track it.

Currently if you "shorten" the screen you shorten all. Hope image helps in explanation...

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Hi,
Unfortunately Sierra decides the size of the bars, I'm not sure there is to way to have 3 big last bars.. but I'll have a look :-)

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Hello,

I just downloaded GomOrderFlowPro. Going forward i will record the data, but for the time being can any one please share recorded bid/ask file for ES for the last one week. Thank you.

Sudhir.

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Hi Sudhir,

Maybe you'll get a more audience on this thread :

Also keep in mind that you don't need recording in NT8, historical backfill of bid/ask data is native

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Hi Gomi
Where is the link for download GomOrderFlowPro? I have only found the oldest, not these.
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Where is the link for download GomOrderFlowPro? I have only found the oldest, not these.
Thanks!

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Thanks Sam!
I thought it was on downloads..

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for those using nt8:

after upgrading to nt8 version rc1, some were not able to load GomOrderFlowPro and GomMPPro. the error message stated "Void NinjaTrader.Gui.Stroke.Dispose".

to solve the issue, try to do a full nt8 reinstall (uninstalling the app and removing the ninjatrader 8 folder in program files(x86) and documents (or renaming them just in case ..)).

it worked for me

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hello all,

Is it possible to retrieve the values such as delta etc from the GomOrderFlowPro indicator in NT7 code?

I tried GomOrderFlowPro(). but nothing comes up...

can someone please give me an example of how to retrieve Delta from the indicator in code?

typically you can autocomplete the attributes that you have access too...how can I get the indicator to return something? is that possible? thanks in advance

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Hi,
For now data series are not exported, I'll see what I can add easily.

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trying to get more familiar with nt 8. might even go against my better judgement and use a dark background




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trying to get more familiar with nt 8. might even go against my better judgement and use a dark background




I think the national mood is getting to you

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I don't know, your previous charts seem easier on the eyes and less stressful....

What kind of bars are those?

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I think the national mood is getting to you

that might very well be the reason


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I don't know, your previous charts seem easier on the eyes and less stressful....

What kind of bars are those?

those are "activity bars" by @devdas

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not sure yet about the background color. that might change again. so far I always preferred a lighter background because of the reasons you mentioned.

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Hi Silvester17,

Have not tried NT8 yet but like you i prefer a light background in general more so when i see a chart published on a web site. In the past i have worked a lot with people who design interfaces and most stay away from dark interfaces because many persons find it hard to read. When you publish a chart to a general audience the best choice is a light background with white bars for up movement and black for down movement. I was a bit surprised when i learned that Ninja had worked with specialists in interface design and came up with this choice.

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Hi Silvester17,

Have not tried NT8 yet but like you i prefer a light background in general more so when i see a chart published on a web site. In the past i have worked a lot with people who design interfaces and most stay away from dark interfaces because many persons find it hard to read. When you publish a chart to a general audience the best choice is a light background with white bars for up movement and black for down movement. I was a bit surprised when i learned that Ninja had worked with specialists in interface design and came up with this choice.

NinjaTrader 8 has several dark and light skin options that can be changed by the user under Tools > Options.

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What is that white step line ?

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What is that white step line ?

that's the developing daily vwap from the GomMPPro indicator

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for those using nt8:

after upgrading to nt8 version rc1, some were not able to load GomOrderFlowPro and GomMPPro. the error message stated "Void NinjaTrader.Gui.Stroke.Dispose".

to solve the issue, try to do a full nt8 reinstall (uninstalling the app and removing the ninjatrader 8 folder in program files(x86) and documents (or renaming them just in case ..)).

it worked for me

finally was able to figure out what is triggering this problem. it's the tick replay function. if not enabled, you'll get that "stroke.dispose" error message.

so, don't forget to check the "tick replay" box in the data series window. and to have the option to do that, you'll need to enable that first. go to tools > options > market data > check "show tick replay"



still need to learn a lot about nt 8

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finally was able to figure out what is triggering this problem. it's the tick replay function. if not enabled, you'll get that "stroke.dispose" error message.

so, don't forget to check the "tick replay" box in the data series window. and to have the option to do that, you'll need to enable that first. go to tools > options > market data > check "show tick replay"



still need to learn a lot about nt 8

Without tick replay check box enable it is not possible to populate ladder on historic data, though i guess on live it does not matter. But on historic , Strokes were trying to populate ladder in void without tick replay and hence the error. Just what i could think.

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