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Dalton will have his last intensive course and I'm debating whether I should buy it or not. Did anyone here bought the previous intensive courses that could give any opinion if it's worth it? I have already spent some money on education but haven't had much use of them and don't wanna be feel the same way about this course if I decide to buy it. However, I'm now in to market/volume profile and I'm watching FT71's premarket analysis everyday on youtube, I have read Mind over markets and cme's handbook onmarket profile. Will the course give any more insight than what has been written in those books? And what about the mentoring from james dalton, is all the money spent worth it?

I've said to myself that I'm not gonna spend any more money on education(new trader syndrom) but now that he is retiring I don't wanna miss a good chance to get a good grasp of the theory and see someone else applying it to live market. At the same time I feel that the expectations are set too high, that I will know so much more after the course and that the path to succesfully trade with market profile will be significantly shorter, which of course aren't within reason - or is it?

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Dalton will have his last intensive course and I'm debating whether I should buy it or not. Did anyone here bought the previous intensive courses that could give any opinion if it's worth it? I have already spent some money on education but haven't had much use of them and don't wanna be feel the same way about this course if I decide to buy it. However, I'm now in to market/volume profile and I'm watching FT71's premarket analysis everyday on youtube, I have read Mind over markets and cme's handbook onmarket profile. Will the course give any more insight than what has been written in those books? And what about the mentoring from james dalton, is all the money spent worth it?

I've said to myself that I'm not gonna spend any more money on education(new trader syndrom) but now that he is retiring I don't wanna miss a good chance to get a good grasp of the theory and see someone else applying it to live market. At the same time I feel that the expectations are set too high, that I will know so much more after the course and that the path to succesfully trade with market profile will be significantly shorter, which of course aren't within reason - or is it?

I have not experienced his courses - I'm personally skeptical of online training programs, especially the ones having what I consider eye-watering price tags attached, but maybe it's just me.

Perhaps with this forum's guidance and some time spent in front of the screen, that kind of money is better spent on opening an account.

Just my two cents.

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Dalton will have his last intensive course and I'm debating whether I should buy it or not. Did anyone here bought the previous intensive courses that could give any opinion if it's worth it? I have already spent some money on education but haven't had much use of them and don't wanna be feel the same way about this course if I decide to buy it. However, I'm now in to market/volume profile and I'm watching FT71's premarket analysis everyday on youtube, I have read Mind over markets and cme's handbook onmarket profile. Will the course give any more insight than what has been written in those books? And what about the mentoring from james dalton, is all the money spent worth it?

I've said to myself that I'm not gonna spend any more money on education(new trader syndrom) but now that he is retiring I don't wanna miss a good chance to get a good grasp of the theory and see someone else applying it to live market. At the same time I feel that the expectations are set too high, that I will know so much more after the course and that the path to succesfully trade with market profile will be significantly shorter, which of course aren't within reason - or is it?

I say go for it. First the guy is a legend. Second, all respectable professions have some education system or type of training behind them. Trading greatly lends itself to this idea that one can "figure it out" themselves. Yet its one of the, if not the most, difficult profession, or I think vocation is a better word, known to mankind. With it being mostly psychological. So an educator to some degree is needed IMHO.

Go with your intuition. Your gut man. That's a HUGE part of trading learning to trust oneself. Be decisive and do it. Decide. I can hear you want to.

True at some point, after enough training, one can and will educate themselves. But the need of an educator is valid in every aspect of life. For example, have you seen an apple orchard? The trees are mature and have been around for many years. But they are small. Why? Apple trees only produce the best fruit or fruit at all when keeped trimmed by the skilled orchard care taker, the skilled gardener. The gardener is the educator of the apple trees. If the goal is to produce the best fruit, which of course it is, the best fruit possible makes for a better business. They keep the apple trees "educated" ie trimmed.

Obtain this Education so YOU can produce the best fruit possible! In this business of trading!

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Trading greatly lends itself to this idea that one can "figure it out" themselves. Yet its one of the, if not the most, difficult profession, or I think vocation is a better word, known to mankind. With it being mostly psychological. So an educator to some degree is needed IMHO.

Go with your intuition. Your gut man. That's a HUGE part of trading learning to trust oneself. Be decisive and do it. Decide. I can hear you want to.

True at some point, after enough training, one can and will educate themselves. But the need of an educator is valid in every aspect of life.

I agree that education is needed. Especially for people who have never traded before. I'm skeptical of online training courses that are costly. I spent a similar amount of money for a real classroom-based training that lasted three months.

But I see that my earlier words may be construed as me saying "forget the training" in general, which wasn't my intention.

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I have not experienced his courses - I'm personally skeptical of online training programs, especially the ones having what I consider eye-watering price tags attached, but maybe it's just me.



Perhaps with this forum's guidance and some time spent in front of the screen, that kind of money is better spent on opening an account.



Just my two cents.



I'm totally also skeptical of online trading courses and trading courses in general. Some of these guys think because the markets have such an amazing unlimited potential that it justifies their courses be a ridiculous amount of money.

Reminds me of Karen the Super Trade that Tom Sosnoff interviewed. In that video she said her and a friend took a course that was $15k each. I was like HUH? Wow they said them coming. Now you can argue with her make $50mil from her trades it was money well spent but I think one can learn exactly what she learned much less expensively.

I got taken from Tom Busby. I never took his course I did the Afterhours course with Bill. Some good info but all of it available freely else where. They spoon feed it to you. I did have Tom trade just over $100k of my money and he did so EXTREMELY poorly. It was a complete fiasco. Absolutely stupid. At one point we had a 103 point ES 3 contract losing trade and I called him to talk about it and all he could say was some garbage about what the almanac said.

Dalton is in a completely different realm, dimension, world, reality, universe from Busby...IMHO.

Since then at least 3 of his guys left Busby 2 for sure Silas Peters to place trades for a private equity, and Ross Givens who left to work for John Carter and I believe still works for him.

I am in total agreement with @xplorer.

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What did you gain from Dalton's courses? what can I expect to gain after the course?

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What did you gain from Dalton's courses? what can I expect to gain after the course?



I have his book which I have read parts of a short audio course and a video course all very helpful for me. I don't use market profile but volume profile but in a different way than most, I learned from John Richardson but I still changed it to fit me, but his way of thinking and understand of business, the market, which is the same thing, was very insightful for me. The advertising mechanism the poor high etc.

I'm sure you can learn all this from https://jpjtrading.com/#3004 who thinks very highly of Dalton. But I say if you are passionate about learning it straight from the horses mouth it will have a greater affect on you.

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What did you gain from Dalton's courses? what can I expect to gain after the course?

I did an Intensive last year and found it very interesting and helpful. You have probably been watching his recent set of six webinars to promote the Intensive (recordings here Recorded Webinars Archives - J Dalton Trading ). The webinars titled 'Pre-opening Comments and Early Trade' are very similar to what you will experience during the webinars. Julia's additional more introductory webinars for the Intensive sign-ups are useful too. You will get the Dalton Signature Trades Worksheet which is good but basic. But then the Profile is a basic tool. What you won't get is a green light red light entry exit system which sometimes you can feel is what some people who sign up for the webinars are after. You also never see a trading DOM and him buying and selling which is what people tend to want to see in live trading rooms for example.
What he does do is talk a lot about context and deciding whether the market is telling you you want to be long or short or that nothing is actually happening and to step aside and avoid the chop which is really the only thing that matters. He will also talk about setups from the Signature Trades Worksheet if they occur, such as 'if price fails on this breakout lower and comes back in to range, depending on the type of timeframe trader you are, you could get long here with. If price goes back down with volume to make a new low that will invalidate the trade but if it doesn't then the ultimate target should be this weak/poor high, prominent POC etc. He tends to aim for two or three trades a day where as Julia talks about say half a dozen. But you will never hear either of them say 'okay everybody I am buying 2010 now...' You will hear Julia saying things like 'One of our attendees, a prop trader from New York just bought the failed breakout of the overnight low' and then Jim Dalton might talk about that being a very good trade for those that are nimble but not good for slightly longer timeframe traders. Also apparently when Brett Steenbarger was teaching institutional traders he only had one book that was required reading and that was one of Dalton's.
Anyway so the long and the short of it is it king of depends what you expect or want. In all honesty you could probably get the same knowledge from reading his books and watching the dozens of free recorded webinars but the value comes from being able to ask questions about specific things you don't understand. especially if you adopt their methodology for analysing the markets and do it each morning then compare it to their written reports and can then ask about any differences. Also you can trade each day with the live one way chat comments, after the webinars, and compare your thoughts about the market (the ES), during the day with his and learn what he is seeing differently to you.
I thought it was worthwhile but as with all things, it sounds easy in the room but when you try it yourself it suddenly feels alot more ambiguous. But then a lot of trading is about accepting the ambiguity and thinking in terms of probability, echoed by Steenbarger. It is good information but still requires a lot of work afterwards in carrying on learning and applying the knowledge. There was somebody on this forum who's name I forget who clearly did the same intensive I did because he started a journal staright after the Intensive finished and posted all his premarket analysis which was excellent, but he wasn't around for long as the results didn't fall his way. You still have to be able to do the analysis live of what the market is telling you and whether it is confirming on cancelling your early hypotheses and be able to adjust accordingly. It also isn't going to stop you getting nervous and missing trades after a couple of losses or revenge trading or cutting your winners short etc etc. So good information and I am glad I did it but it is still only the first rung, but mixing my metaphors, a good solid trading foundation that could be used to trade successfully, but there will still be an awful lot of independent work required to carry on up the ladder.
I think I have repeated myself a few times as I have just mind-dumped on to the page, but I hope you get the gist of my thoughts.


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