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Hi,

Has anyone had experience with this course? https://price-ladder.com/

It seems like a legitimate training course conducted by an established Prop firm for their own trainees as well.

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I haven't done it but I would say it's legit. I watch their Youtube videos all the time. They have a similar style of trading as that of John Grady (NoBSdaytrading) if anything it will probably be a bit overpriced at a guess. Trading Courses is also a good course by Guy Bower, he use to run the training program for an Aussie Prop shop.

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I haven't done it but I would say it's legit. I watch their Youtube videos all the time. They have a similar style of trading as that of John Grady (NoBSdaytrading) if anything it will probably be a bit overpriced at a guess. Trading Courses is also a good course by Guy Bower, he use to run the training program for an Aussie Prop shop.

I've done John Grady's Webinar, twice. In general, the principals are similar, but there are some differences as well. I won't repeat the pros and cons as you can go read that up in his own thread. Safe to say, I find what the trainers at Futex are teaching to be more 'current' with market conditions. Although both are very much focused on reading order flow, I think the guys are Futex seem to have gone above and beyond the standard fade and breakout trades. I cannot confirm this as I have not done the course yet, but this is what I'm seeing based on their YouTube videos and also having done a trial of their FutexLive room.

Also, John only focuses on US treasury markets (he does have the ES up, but that's only for correlation purposes), this course should be more focused on Bund, Stoxx50 and Euro. Which I think is good even if you don't trade these markets because the liquidity of these markets are similar to that of crude and the ES/NQ etc... So I feel learning how they interpret the order flow in these markets will be more applicable. The US treasuries are really in a class of their own, and make no illusions about it, learning that market is learning that market, no other market has volume so thick that you can afford to wait and see if a level has participation or not.

Also, one important thing which I think is worth mentioning is, these guys are Futex are still very much active trading in a Prop firm. While John, has been out of the prop firm environment for several years now (probably more than 5). It's like taking the lion out of the jungle and putting him in the zoo..... what do you think will happen over time?

LoL. I make it sound like I already attended the course. But these are all just my thoughts that I'm considering. If anyone has other input, please share. Thanks!

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Also, one important thing which I think is worth mentioning is, these guys are Futex are still very much active trading in a Prop firm. While John, has been out of it for several years now (probably more than 5)

Hi KelvinKing. Just curious, when you say John Grady has not been active for several years, do you mean "inactive as part of a prop firm" or "no longer trading"?

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Hi KelvinKing. Just curious, when you say John Grady has not been active for several years, do you mean "inactive as part of a prop firm" or "no longer trading"?

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Oops. I guess I wasn't very clear. I meant he's not been in a prop firm for several years now. As far as I know, he still trades on his own. Edited my original post for the benefit of other readers. But really, if you want to know more, I suggest you post in his NoBS thread.

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Oops. I guess I wasn't very clear. I meant he's not been in a prop firm for several years now. As far as I know, he still trades on his own. Edited my original post for the benefit of other readers. But really, if you want to know more, I suggest you post in his NoBS thread.

No problem, thanks for the clarification.

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Hey guys. I was in the very first intake for the Priceladder trading course.
I will answer questions if anyone is interested.

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Hey guys. I was in the very first intake for the Priceladder trading course.
I will answer questions if anyone is interested.

give us a review

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Ive never done a review before so bear with me.
The Price ladder training course for me personally was a game changer. The course itself is structured very well. You are given specific modules to complete from the very basic at the beginning to more advanced towards the end. Each of the modules show you different price ladder patterns which you must learn and are extremely in depth.
After a number of modules you are assigned drills to complete, one each day. At first you think to yourself why the hell am I doing this? But towards the end of the course everything comes together.
As well as the drills you are given a chance to practice what you have learned each day in a recorded simulated environment.
I have done many courses in my time, namely two of John Gradys Webinars, Joel Parkers price action course and I have trawled through the information on the Jigsaw site. But although these courses are great, the light bulb turned on after the Price Ladder Training course. Why?? STRUCTURED LEARNING and PERFECT PRACTICE.
Initially it was hard for me to let go of the Jigsaw DOM but in my personal opinion after this course I just don't need it any more. The ladder Futex uses is on a par with Xtrader if not better.
I cannot speak more highly of the PLT course. It has been the icing on the cake for me.
The mentors are on hand to answer any questions and students can talk to each other live via a chat window which I highly recommend doing, people see order flow differently and its good to see a second opinion.
Any one wanting to take the PLT course you will not be disappointed.

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Ive never done a review before so bear with me.
The Price ladder training course for me personally was a game changer. The course itself is structured very well. You are given specific modules to complete from the very basic at the beginning to more advanced towards the end. Each of the modules show you different price ladder patterns which you must learn and are extremely in depth.
After a number of modules you are assigned drills to complete, one each day. At first you think to yourself why the hell am I doing this? But towards the end of the course everything comes together.
As well as the drills you are given a chance to practice what you have learned each day in a recorded simulated environment.
I have done many courses in my time, namely two of John Gradys Webinars, Joel Parkers price action course and I have trawled through the information on the Jigsaw site. But although these courses are great, the light bulb turned on after the Price Ladder Training course. Why?? STRUCTURED LEARNING and PERFECT PRACTICE.
Initially it was hard for me to let go of the Jigsaw DOM but in my personal opinion after this course I just don't need it any more. The ladder Futex uses is on a par with Xtrader if not better.
I cannot speak more highly of the PLT course. It has been the icing on the cake for me.
The mentors are on hand to answer any questions and students can talk to each other live via a chat window which I highly recommend doing, people see order flow differently and its good to see a second opinion.
Any one wanting to take the PLT course you will not be disappointed.

Are you consistently profitable because of the Futex course?

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To answer your question explorer. I am yet to trade live with the knowledge I have gained from the PLT course, the reason being I am still building my confidence and plus I am undertaking the VTFT course from Futex in June. But I will say that since the course I have only had three down days out of twenty five on the Futex simulator. I know that does not count so much but after blowing out three accounts thinking I could trade, the Sim results matter a great deal to me.
The beauty of the PLT course is that it forces you through drills and simulator exercises to find your own trading style. We all know that 95% of traders lose, so why is that? I believe it is because newer traders are constantly trying to mirror what successful traders do. Unfortunately these newer trader fail because 1. They try to be a copy cat 2. They refuse to put the hard work in and lastly they constantly look for the holy grail. Ive found the holy grail and its not a trading method or pretty coloured lines on a chart its actually ones self.
I will be the first to admit when doing the structured drills on the PLT course I was totally lost, but after training your mind to see certain patterns over and over things become second nature. You learn that its not just the big orders entering the market or that a big trader keeps reloading the bids or offers that moves the market, its also how the ladder behaves at certain levels. Its very hard to explain but you get a feel for it.
When I first started the course I was advised by Miltos (one of the main metors) that it would be best to just not look at charts. When I finished the course I turned my market delta and market profile back on and my god I saw things with such clarity.
I still have a long way to go, in the morning I trade and in the afternoon I do drills, each day I learn more.
I will say this for sure, once I have completed the VTFT course I will trade live again, the difference this time will be the confidence that I have gained from the guys Futex.
Sorry for the rant.

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To answer your question explorer. I am yet to trade live with the knowledge I have gained from the PLT course, the reason being I am still building my confidence and plus I am undertaking the VTFT course from Futex in June. But I will say that since the course I have only had three down days out of twenty five on the Futex simulator. I know that does not count so much but after blowing out three accounts thinking I could trade, the Sim results matter a great deal to me.
The beauty of the PLT course is that it forces you through drills and simulator exercises to find your own trading style. We all know that 95% of traders lose, so why is that? I believe it is because newer traders are constantly trying to mirror what successful traders do. Unfortunately these newer trader fail because 1. They try to be a copy cat 2. They refuse to put the hard work in and lastly they constantly look for the holy grail. Ive found the holy grail and its not a trading method or pretty coloured lines on a chart its actually ones self.
I will be the first to admit when doing the structured drills on the PLT course I was totally lost, but after training your mind to see certain patterns over and over things become second nature. You learn that its not just the big orders entering the market or that a big trader keeps reloading the bids or offers that moves the market, its also how the ladder behaves at certain levels. Its very hard to explain but you get a feel for it.
When I first started the course I was advised by Miltos (one of the main metors) that it would be best to just not look at charts. When I finished the course I turned my market delta and market profile back on and my god I saw things with such clarity.
I still have a long way to go, in the morning I trade and in the afternoon I do drills, each day I learn more.
I will say this for sure, once I have completed the VTFT course I will trade live again, the difference this time will be the confidence that I have gained from the guys Futex.
Sorry for the rant.

Thanks for the review! It was very helpful. You mentioned that you've done the NoBSDayTrading course, could you elaborate more on the difference between the course? Was it specifically the drills you mentioned that helped you to break through, or was it something in the course material that was not taught by John. Thanks!

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To answer your question explorer. I am yet to trade live with the knowledge I have gained from the PLT course, the reason being I am still building my confidence and plus I am undertaking the VTFT course from Futex in June. But I will say that since the course I have only had three down days out of twenty five on the Futex simulator. I know that does not count so much but after blowing out three accounts thinking I could trade, the Sim results matter a great deal to me.
The beauty of the PLT course is that it forces you through drills and simulator exercises to find your own trading style. We all know that 95% of traders lose, so why is that? I believe it is because newer traders are constantly trying to mirror what successful traders do. Unfortunately these newer trader fail because 1. They try to be a copy cat 2. They refuse to put the hard work in and lastly they constantly look for the holy grail. Ive found the holy grail and its not a trading method or pretty coloured lines on a chart its actually ones self.
I will be the first to admit when doing the structured drills on the PLT course I was totally lost, but after training your mind to see certain patterns over and over things become second nature. You learn that its not just the big orders entering the market or that a big trader keeps reloading the bids or offers that moves the market, its also how the ladder behaves at certain levels. Its very hard to explain but you get a feel for it.
When I first started the course I was advised by Miltos (one of the main metors) that it would be best to just not look at charts. When I finished the course I turned my market delta and market profile back on and my god I saw things with such clarity.
I still have a long way to go, in the morning I trade and in the afternoon I do drills, each day I learn more.
I will say this for sure, once I have completed the VTFT course I will trade live again, the difference this time will be the confidence that I have gained from the guys Futex.
Sorry for the rant.

Np, thanks ricks3xs.

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Hey Kelvin. John Gradys webinars are great they taught me allot. I never could make his teachings work for me. For one I find it soul destroying trading the US Treasuries, Way too slow for me, and secondly I found it difficult to make his methods my own. That's when I decided to stop trying to emulate what other traders were doing and find my own way.
The main two differences between Nobsdaytrading and the PLT course are the way that the two are structured With Johns material you are given a set of very good starter videos to trawl through before the live webinar these for me were a little overwhelming. IE allot to take in. The PLT course however is run over four weeks with modules and tasks each day slowly building your knowledge as well as your pattern recognition skills. It is the perfect practice day in day out that imprints certain reoccurring patterns to memory.
An example would be, before the course I could see absorption at a level easily, but now I can see the absorption plus the heavy buyer or seller having to aggressively go to market to fill his order because price is moving. That sort of information is gold dust.
I started the PLT course trying my hardest to become a swing trader, I finished the course consistently scalping 3,4,5 ticks out of the market, and feeling very comfortable doing that.
Another fantastic aspect to the PLT is the communal chat, I learned so much from taking to other students about what they were seeing and cross referencing what I thought.
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To answer your question explorer. I am yet to trade live with the knowledge I have gained from the PLT course, the reason being I am still building my confidence and plus I am undertaking the VTFT course from Futex in June. But I will say that since the course I have only had three down days out of twenty five on the Futex simulator. I know that does not count so much but after blowing out three accounts thinking I could trade, the Sim results matter a great deal to me.
The beauty of the PLT course is that it forces you through drills and simulator exercises to find your own trading style. We all know that 95% of traders lose, so why is that? I believe it is because newer traders are constantly trying to mirror what successful traders do. Unfortunately these newer trader fail because 1. They try to be a copy cat 2. They refuse to put the hard work in and lastly they constantly look for the holy grail. Ive found the holy grail and its not a trading method or pretty coloured lines on a chart its actually ones self.
I will be the first to admit when doing the structured drills on the PLT course I was totally lost, but after training your mind to see certain patterns over and over things become second nature. You learn that its not just the big orders entering the market or that a big trader keeps reloading the bids or offers that moves the market, its also how the ladder behaves at certain levels. Its very hard to explain but you get a feel for it.
When I first started the course I was advised by Miltos (one of the main metors) that it would be best to just not look at charts. When I finished the course I turned my market delta and market profile back on and my god I saw things with such clarity.
I still have a long way to go, in the morning I trade and in the afternoon I do drills, each day I learn more.
I will say this for sure, once I have completed the VTFT course I will trade live again, the difference this time will be the confidence that I have gained from the guys Futex.
Sorry for the rant.

Hey there,
I did the VTFT course last year.
My advice would be to ask the instructors to provide real time examples of how they use the various tools (especially marketdelta).
You get a lot of theory, but a lot of the course is "figure it out for yourself" which I felt was pretty poor.
Make sure you ask a lot of questions on what to look for when using volume/market profile. It all seemed fairly long winded, and there was never an actual sit down lesson on "how to interpret volume profile" to summarise the important points in order to build some sort of strategy.
Of course, they will say that you have to figure it out for yourself (could have sworn I had paid for a course) but don't accept that. Ask for a structured class on volume profile that explains the core precepts (you just read a book then go straight in to analysing a profile every day).
Don't think I'm explaining it too well. You read a book, and then dive in without hearing how professional traders use profile, or look at different structures etc, in an organised classroom/teaching setting. It might be mentioned, or someone might ask the question, but it is not done formally which I think was a major oversight.
Let alone the "here's is what happened yesterday" sort of analysis. Screw that, let's see a trader interpret the market in real time-how hard is it to get someone to record their screen?

Well, apparently it's impossible. Considering that trading has just been halted at futex I think I might have the answer.

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Thanks for the quote. Not sure I asked for it though.
As far as volume profile is concerned I know what Im looking at already.
The reason for me doing the VTFT course is for structure. You obviously didnt get much out of the course Im sorry for that. But I will make my own judgement thank you, and Im big and old enough to ask my own questions. Regards.

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Make sure you ask a lot of questions on what to look for when using volume/market profile. It all seemed fairly long winded, and there was never an actual sit down lesson on "how to interpret volume profile" to summarise the important points in order to build some sort of strategy.
Of course, they will say that you have to figure it out for yourself (could have sworn I had paid for a course) but don't accept that. Ask for a structured class on volume profile that explains the core precepts (you just read a book then go straight in to analysing a profile every day).
Don't think I'm explaining it too well. You read a book, and then dive in without hearing how professional traders use profile, or look at different structures etc, in an organised classroom/teaching setting. It might be mentioned, or someone might ask the question, but it is not done formally which I think was a major oversight.
Let alone the "here's is what happened yesterday" sort of analysis. Screw that, let's see a trader interpret the market in real time-how hard is it to get someone to record their screen?

Well, apparently it's impossible. Considering that trading has just been halted at futex I think I might have the answer.

Peter Davies from Jigsaw trading gives a good free lesson on volume profile here:



I studied profile long before coming into the price ladder course last week, just getting used to reading and trading off the DOM. The Futex training complements the free Jigsaw course that I'm currently reviewing. The Jigsaw course is actually pretty good too.

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Hey there,
I did the VTFT course last year.
My advice would be to ask the instructors to provide real time examples of how they use the various tools (especially marketdelta).
You get a lot of theory, but a lot of the course is "figure it out for yourself" which I felt was pretty poor.
Make sure you ask a lot of questions on what to look for when using volume/market profile. It all seemed fairly long winded, and there was never an actual sit down lesson on "how to interpret volume profile" to summarise the important points in order to build some sort of strategy.
Of course, they will say that you have to figure it out for yourself (could have sworn I had paid for a course) but don't accept that. Ask for a structured class on volume profile that explains the core precepts (you just read a book then go straight in to analysing a profile every day).
Don't think I'm explaining it too well. You read a book, and then dive in without hearing how professional traders use profile, or look at different structures etc, in an organised classroom/teaching setting. It might be mentioned, or someone might ask the question, but it is not done formally which I think was a major oversight.
Let alone the "here's is what happened yesterday" sort of analysis. Screw that, let's see a trader interpret the market in real time-how hard is it to get someone to record their screen?

Well, apparently it's impossible. Considering that trading has just been halted at futex I think I might have the answer.

can you put it directly please. are you saying that the futex traders have no verifiable record of profitable trading?

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In a word, it doesnít. While FutexLive began life as a spin off from Futexís successful trader training programme, it has been independent from its inception two years ago.
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It doesn't affect those in the course. Their drills are still ongoing.

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How news about Futex affects FutexLive

In a word, it doesnít. While FutexLive began life as a spin off from Futexís successful trader training programme, it has been independent from its inception two years ago.
FutexLive is committed to delivering high quality trader training to help you achieve your trading goals any time, any where - thereís no change there either.
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It doesn't affect those in the course. Their drills are still ongoing.

In 2007 Bush was saying how he was confident about the economy even as markets were crumbling. He was saying that in an attempt to calm investors at all levels.

FutexLive would say that too, wouldn't they.

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In 2007 Bush was saying how he was confident about the economy even as markets were crumbling. He was saying that in an attempt to calm investors at all levels.

FutexLive would say that too, wouldn't they.

Xplorer, the way I see it the issue they have with one of their contractors over payment is a separate issue from the educational side.

If you work at Futex under contract as a junior trader, it's a mixed bag as you can see on the glassdoor review site:

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/Futex-Reviews-E415348.htm

Even the Hound of Hounslow was not happy with how Futex paid him so he left for greener pastures.

So no I don't think a lawsuit over pay is going to collapse the company.

One gripe I have with them though is regarding payment of the course. They had a 20% coupon that they offered in email. I called them up 2 weeks later to ask about the Price Ladder course and actually spoke to Miltos. He told me the 20% coupon was done but he can give me a 15% discount. Just yesterday was talking to a fellow trader who wanted to purchase the course. I gave him the 20% coupon from the old email and it actually worked. As you can imagine I am annoyed that I was deceived so they could get an extra 47.50 Gbp out of me.

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Xplorer, the way I see it the issue they have with one of their contractors over payment is a separate issue from the educational side.

If you work at Futex under contract as a junior trader, it's a mixed bag as you can see on the glassdoor review site:

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/Futex-Reviews-E415348.htm

Even the Hound of Hounslow was not happy with how Futex paid him so he left for greener pastures.

So no I don't think a lawsuit over pay is going to collapse the company.

One gripe I have with them though is regarding payment of the course. They had a 20% coupon that they offered in email. I called them up 2 weeks later to ask about the Price Ladder course and actually spoke to Miltos. He told me the 20% coupon was done but he can give me a 15% discount. Just yesterday was talking to a fellow trader who wanted to purchase the course. I gave him the 20% coupon from the old email and it actually worked. As you can imagine I am annoyed that I was deceived so they could get an extra 47.50 Gbp out of me.

Hi. My point was more geared towards the fact that one should not rely on what the vendors say about themselves (or about connected business) as there will be (or there should be) always a degree of waryness about content. So it was more a general point and not specific to their business model.

Regarding your specific gripe I would contact them if I were you. The way I expect a reputable company to respond after you present the facts is to refund you the extra amount.

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Article from The Times, picked up from this post




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The firm that taught Navinder Sarao, the alleged Flash Crash trader, how to play the markets has gone bust after one of its largest traders took out an injunction against it, having been told that he was unable to withdraw millions of pounds of his own money from it.




So, after all, a lawsuit over pay can collapse a company

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Article from The Times, picked up from this post








So, after all, a lawsuit over pay can collapse a company


Wishful thinking, business as usual here. I can still sign in (see screenshot) and get live data and they have a drill scheduled for later today too.

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Wishful thinking, business as usual here. I can still sign in (see screenshot) and get live data and they have a drill scheduled for later today too.

I am referring to Futex. Are you referring to Futex or Futex Live?

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I am referring to Futex. Are you referring to Futex or Futex Live?

I am referring to Futex. Futex Live is their platform.

Even if they went into administration last month they can make arrangements to keep operations going.

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I am referring to Futex. Futex Live is their platform.

Even if they went into administration last month they can make arrangements to keep operations going.

Thanks for the clarification about Futex Live being their platform.

Still, if they are into administration, I hope you don't have any of your own funds deposited.

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Thanks for the clarification about Futex Live being their platform.

Still, if they are into administration, I hope you don't have any of your own funds deposited.

No I don't, I think the spat they are having now with this trader is someone that was on contract with them. I'm only taking their course.

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No I don't, I think the spat they are having now with this trader is someone that was on contract with them. I'm only taking their course.

Ok I'm glad.

Do they provide daily live commentaries, and if so, have they talked about what's going on??

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Ok I'm glad.

Do they provide daily live commentaries, and if so, have they talked about what's going on??

I don't know because I haven't watched their commentaries yet. They do provide live commentaries but they are at a time when I am asleep since I'm in the Pacific timezone.

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How news about Futex affects FutexLive - FUTEXLIVE

How news about Futex affects FutexLive

In a word, it doesnít. While FutexLive began life as a spin off from Futexís successful trader training programme, it has been independent from its inception two years ago.
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I am referring to Futex. Futex Live is their platform.

Even if they went into administration last month they can make arrangements to keep operations going.

On reflection, one thing doesn't make sense to me: in the first quoted post FutexLive is represented as a 'spin off' from Futex, and as independent from it.

Yet in the second quoted post you say FutexLive is their platform - which would then infer that the platform FutexLive is an integral part of Futex, in which case they would not be independent.



What gives?

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On reflection, one thing doesn't make sense to me: in the first quoted post FutexLive is represented as a 'spin off' from Futex, and as independent from it.

Yet in the second quoted post you say FutexLive is their platform - which would then infer that the platform FutexLive is an integral part of Futex, in which case they would not be independent.



What gives?


I'm not sure, maybe once things took off with the educational part of it, they could have incorporated FutexLive separately to create a separate legal entity. This way it would shield FutexLive from lawsuits involving Futex. Well, that's how the law is on this side of the pond anyways.

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I'm not sure, maybe once things took off with the educational part of it, they could have incorporated FutexLive separately to create a separate legal entity. This way it would shield FutexLive from lawsuits involving Futex. Well, that's how the law is on this side of the pond anyways.

Another scenario could be that their platform is called FutexLive and they decided to call their trading arm FutexLive too.


Anyway, enough speculation from me. No doubt we'll hear more news soon about what's going on...

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On reflection, one thing doesn't make sense to me: in the first quoted post FutexLive is represented as a 'spin off' from Futex, and as independent from it.

Yet in the second quoted post you say FutexLive is their platform - which would then infer that the platform FutexLive is an integral part of Futex, in which case they would not be independent.



What gives?

I have just come across this video from last year where one of the 'directors' clearly states "Via Futex and we've got a subsidiary arm called Futex Live" - this is relevant video portion


Full video


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BTW Brannigan from Futex will be doing a Jigsaw webinar on Futures.io next Tuesday:



I think it's worth attending.

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Brannigan is now with a new prop firm.

We were supposed to have a live drill this morning but no message even though signed into the live terminal.

I tried to email them last week to ask about July schedule, nothing and email bounced.

I think Futex is done. I also have to find a way to get at least a partial refund, I did not get all the training I needed, was supposed to get another month of drills since I signed up in mid-May.

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Second morning there was no drill when there was one scheduled. My calls are not being returned and when I call it always goes to voicemail. They are also no longer answering questions in live chat.

Very poor customer service.

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Brannigan is now with a new prop firm.

We were supposed to have a live drill this morning but no message even though signed into the live terminal.

I tried to email them last week to ask about July schedule, nothing and email bounced.

I think Futex is done. I also have to find a way to get at least a partial refund, I did not get all the training I needed, was supposed to get another month of drills since I signed up in mid-May.

where is he now?

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where is he now?

I don't know yet, when I find out I will post it. He will also be offering a mentorship course.

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I saw on the other tread and here about it. Im actually never had any dom training and interested take the class in the future. Tag this post. Looking forward hearing back your finding.

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I saw on the other tread and here about it. Im actually never had any dom training and interested take the class in the future. Tag this post. Looking forward hearing back your finding.

Brannigan said this:

"We have 2 courses to be launched in late Aug/Early Sep. One is on market profiling as a tool to develop context. And the other will be price action course. Both will be very practical /application based so we can teach you the principle and then you practice practice practice and perfect!

The Fee is not yet decided. But follow me on twittter and I will update everyone at some point in future."

You can follow Brannigan on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/bjb_FutexLive

Before getting this email from Brannigan I signed up for Guy Bower's (former trainer for Propex) course which includes PL training. PM me for the link.

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I had some questions-
what platforms are used?
are other platforms an option?
what is the sim run on? is that proprietary?
are there other fees? if I decide I want to go further with there dom platform is there monthly or regular fees?

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I had some questions-
what platforms are used?
are other platforms an option?
what is the sim run on? is that proprietary?
are there other fees? if I decide I want to go further with there dom platform is there monthly or regular fees?

Not sure which course you are referring to. Futex is done and drills were run on their proprietary Futex platform.

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I believe he was refering to the online course you're taking now. Because i actually wanted to answer him to search it under futex and he'll find out himself that the company is in bankruptcy.

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Okay well I haven't done the ladder training yet but any platform that has a DOM can be used (what he told me). I don't know how he will be running them, like do I have to record the drill and then he writes up a report on how I do? I know he's currently doing that for trainees at the prop firm.

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Not sure why you have to go and do a course on the DOM. Just go out and get a decent DOM for a few months and watch it for 3 hours a day around the open. There's no secrets....its primarily an execution tool anyway. I doubt you'll learn anything quickly but a Jigsaw DOM will at least help train you to see absorption or spoofing. I would Jigsaw cut my learning curve down by months...i still find i have to focus too much to see absorption on a TT DOM. Footprints/impressions/ladders help with that too.

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I had some questions-
what platforms are used?
are other platforms an option?
what is the sim run on? is that proprietary?
are there other fees? if I decide I want to go further with there dom platform is there monthly or regular fees?

It doesn't look like the course is happening any more considering what people on here are saying.

I did the first course-was v good but not my style of trading.
The platform/DOM that is used is called Easyscreen (although they called it Neon?). I believe Marex have bought them up, not sure who uses this platform as the futex trading arm has gone under and that's what they used. Everyone else seems to still use TT or cqg

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It doesn't look like the course is happening any more considering what people on here are saying.

I did the first course-was v good but not my style of trading.
The platform/DOM that is used is called Easyscreen (although they called it Neon?). I believe Marex have bought them up, not sure who uses this platform as the futex trading arm has gone under and that's what they used. Everyone else seems to still use TT or cqg

Lucky at least you did the full course, I only got half, still waiting to hear back from credit card company for partial refund. I loved it because of the structured training, covering various topics and different situations and contexts.

What is your source for the belief that Marex bought them out? Last I heard the administrator could not find a buyer.

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they sent me a e-mail with there courses and price list today,,,they said they have there prop shop up and running..offering a 8 week in house training ,,,3000e 1500..online....ladder is 659e

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Hi guys, I haven't been back to this thread for some time. Only saw it because there was a new post. Since the time I posted, I did complete the course and I have found it quite useful. So, I feel that I should give a quick review.

Like what some of the posters say, you don't really need a specific course on price ladder in order to see iceberg orders and absorption. However, this course is much more than that. I felt that it gave me a more holistic view of the markets. Especially if you trade Eurex products, part of the course syllabus also covers how to prepare and trade ECB days and specific Eurex products setups like month end flows.

The thing about reading order flow, is that nuances do matter, and maybe after staring at the DOM for 6 months you'll pick up these nuances, but maybe not. So, this course really helped to identify some very specific price action that you'll notice around key levels or areas to trade.

I think the course may be starting again, but i'm not too sure who the instructor will be this time. Maybe Dan Goldberg, as he seems to be the only trader left at FutexLive.

As for those who have taken the course, and for some reason were not able to complete it due to that whole mess at Futex. Send me a PM, I'll be glad to help you sort out the course material.

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Hi guys, I haven't been back to this thread for some time. Only saw it because there was a new post. Since the time I posted, I did complete the course and I have found it quite useful. So, I feel that I should give a quick review.

Like what some of the posters say, you don't really need a specific course on price ladder in order to see iceberg orders and absorption. However, this course is much more than that. I felt that it gave me a more holistic view of the markets. Especially if you trade Eurex products, part of the course syllabus also covers how to prepare and trade ECB days and specific Eurex products setups like month end flows.

The thing about reading order flow, is that nuances do matter, and maybe after staring at the DOM for 6 months you'll pick up these nuances, but maybe not. So, this course really helped to identify some very specific price action that you'll notice around key levels or areas to trade.

I think the course may be starting again, but i'm not too sure who the instructor will be this time. Maybe Dan Goldberg, as he seems to be the only trader left at FutexLive.

As for those who have taken the course, and for some reason were not able to complete it due to that whole mess at Futex. Send me a PM, I'll be glad to help you sort out the course material.

Cheers!

I sent them a couple of emails and no reply. From what I can see only Dan is there. Miltos who was the original instructor is gone. Brannigan is gone too. In the latest course they only give you one month of access but trading drills every day, according to the email they sent out. I decided to pass on it.

I got back a 50% refund through the credit card company finally.

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My personal view on this: the fact they may have re-opened does not mean one should rush to go and spend money on them.

Nobody knows whether the management team that led them to go bust is the same they have now.


I would urge caution.

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My personal view on this: the fact they may have re-opened does not mean one should rush to go and spend money on them.

Nobody knows whether the management team that led them to go bust is the same they have now.


I would urge caution.

Yep plus the fact they refused to give me even a partial refund forcing me to go through my credit card company should give anyone pause. Their customer service still seems to be bad, another red flag.

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I've received 9 e-mails from Futex Live offering training courses in December alone ....sounds like they are trying to raise cash, and quickly!

The latest offer for Price Ladder Training is 25% off ending tomorrow...so £475 instead of £649, and previously the course was £999!

Just curious..... can previous participants please tell me if the course description below sounds like the same as before or has a chunk of it been cut out (hence the ongoing price reductions) ??

Here is the blurb from the e-mail:

"We made changes to the old course and have had excellent feedback from people who have already taken the new updated version. We are now ready to offer you the chance to take it as well at new lower price of £649 (was £999). The PLT is a 20 day course which can be taken over a 6 week period at your convenience. There are 10 Modules to complete and each of the 20 days has a training drill for you to practice. Drills will be completed using a Simulator using live prices rather than pre-recorded to enhance the experience and make the training as near to live trading as possible."

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I recently emailed them, asking if they updated any of the material from the first time I took it. Basically, they are going to reuse all of that. I think the only difference is going to be the drills. To me, I would rather have a recorded day where you know a certain price action pattern is going to turn up. Else, you could be staring at the simulator for days and see nothing on the ladder.

I just simply wouldn't do the course any more, knowing that the 2 main price action guys (Miltos and Braniggan) are no longer there. The main trader left, Dan Goldberg is a market profile guy. He's trading style will be quite different (relies much less on order flow confirmation).

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... Drills will be completed using a Simulator using live prices rather than pre-recorded to enhance the experience and make the training as near to live trading as possible."

the real value of the PLT is in the drills... where the drill is really focusing on one specific techniq at a time.

You can get many of the topics.. like absorption from other sources ex. Jigsaw but for me it was invaluable to learn and trade these patterns in a slowed down focused simulation environment especially that the same drill was running 3x consequitively every week according to a preannounced schedule.

I think the PLT is a very well structured training all the topics are relevant and usable immediately.

Of course it can be improved ( like the month end trading drill... which maybe the only black sheep among the topics) but to improve a dedicated trainer and some kinda futex community wud be needed... instead I rather follow da brannigan guy whose periscopes' are still of high value and full of good and free information.

like this is his today's live price ladder and order flow trading on 6E and bundz: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mnGeWkyVdqxX

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So if they have changed the drills, it's not the same product as before and the main trainers have left- despite the price reduction, I can't get comfortable with exactly with what we would receive- I would purchase it for the drills as the theory you can get pretty much elsewhere, I am going to pass on this offer.

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Hi,

Has anyone had experience with this course? https://price-ladder.com/

It seems like a legitimate training course conducted by an established Prop firm for their own trainees as well.

Thanks!

if you took this course ...would you do again or ask for a refund...lola

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if you took this course ...would you do again or ask for a refund...lola

Hi,

I did take it, in Feb this year. No, I would not ask for a refund. The conditions back when I took it were way different from now. Back then, we had a live chat room, where we had access to all the order flow and market profile experts (Miltos, Brannigan and Dan Goldberg) for 2 months.

Material wise, it was as comprehensive as you could get. It didn't just cover all aspects of reading the DOM itself, but also how to build a trading framework around it using various tools like market profile and technical analysis. It also covered how to trade around fundamental news events like ECB and FOMC, and some specific Eurex related plays like month end money flows.

The drills were also very instructive in terms of making sure you could recognize certain price patterns and also trading under various conditions like news driven events etc... I was particularly impressed with the fact that they actually conducted drills using their own ladder software. That aspect alone was above and beyond what other courses can offer (other than those in-house courses in a Prop firm).

As for taking the course now, I don't think I can recommend it as much as I did. Firstly, they are reusing all the old slides, the main instructor, Miltos as you know is no longer with Futex. As for the drills, I don't have any knowledge if they are going to reuse or have new ones. Hard to believe that they will come up with a new set of drills......

It was a very promising course that was unfortunately cut short due to the Parent company.

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As for taking the course now, I don't think I can recommend it as much as I did. Firstly, they are reusing all the old slides, the main instructor, Miltos as you know is no longer with Futex. As for the drills, I don't have any knowledge if they are going to reuse or have new ones. Hard to believe that they will come up with a new set of drills......


Cheers!


I am talking to someone (cannot mention his name) who is taking the course currently and there are NO LIVE DRILLS. They only give you a slide with instructions on what to do so you run the drill on your own platform. Very different from the course we both took. Definitely glad I did not sign up a second time.

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Oh wow, then definitely not worth it then. The one aspect that really set this course apart from the rest out there was really the market replay drills. It really gave me the feeling like I was in a prop environment, where drills are also a huge part of any in-house training program.

Trading drills are to a trader, are what free-throw or dribbling drills are to a basketball player. To be at the peak of your game, you need consistent practice. Just looking at the screens ("screen time") is the same as having court side tickets to all the regular season NBA games. No matter how many times you sit court side, you will never become a good basketball player. Think that's a huge misconception a lot of traders have (staring at the markets will make you good). But anyway, I digress.

I cannot recommend this course any more, unless you happen to trade Eurex products (DAX, Stoxx, Bunds), and want to pick up some nuances, and/or interested to learn the trading setups used by the former Futex traders.

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Brannigan Barrett is still providing live training and gave a YouTube presentation the other day. He's now with Axia Futures.



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@TradingTech do have link to the videos ???

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Yes. The presentation was done on Periscope and you may use the following link to view it.

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I just finished watching all of the videos without drills and I believe every trader should know at least first 7 modules (total 10), no matter how long you've been trading. Miltos did a great job going over many interesting topics.
He traded Euro-Bund Futures (FGBL) on proprietary software that they use for drills. He tries really hard to get a point across and show you on DOM. No matter what markets you trade this course is well worth it even without drills.

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Where and what is Miltos doing now?

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I'm not sure how he is doing, I was watching recorded videos but I would like to attend his advanced training if he ever offers.

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Where and what is Miltos doing now?

I have seen in Linkedin that he trades for another firm (VCMT). But I don't not know if he still uses these techniques. Maybe someone can ask him on twitter (@MiltosSavvidis)...

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hi guys, for anyone asking himself what is the difference between nobsdaytrading and futex Price ladder Course:

first of all i can tell you about futex Price ladder:
module 1&2: very Basics, whats the Price ladder, whats the lingo
module 3-5: icebergs large orders -> what are they, what do they do
module 6-7: day types, fade trades, breakout trades
module 8-10: preperation: News (economic realeses), month end trading, central Banks

nobsdytrading:
lots of Starters, great ebook, live Webinar, us Treasury market aka second Chance market, dont trade thin markets

John grady: -> watch the DOM for 6-12 months and try to recognize the Patterns like me, you will get there
but it will take time, discipline and Money
my experience: at first i thought wtf is he telling about, 6-12 months are too much, i want to get there in 2 weeks, i want to trade my 1000USD to 1 mio in one year and this guy says watch the DOM for one year and start with one lots,
but i can tell you guys: grady says the truth, the reality is somewhat different than what we expected as newbies,
i highly recommend gradys Approach to the markets

futex: -> watch the Videos, make the drills, prepare for economic News, central bank activities, technical Analysis, technical Levels etc. -> make your homework and prepare for Scenarios: e.g. if that happens than i will join the iceberg on pullbacks etc. , you want to trade crude?->great, prepare yourself, wanna trade the bund?->prepare yourself

why i trade like grady and dont trade like futex?
for gradys Approach you Need pattern recognition, you trade what you saw 20 times before.
for futex you Need to do homework and analyze what draghi said, why he said that, what does it mean etc. and i dont like that Kind of stuff. just pick up a Chart on a fomc Meeting and youll see what the market makes during this time. you get paid when youre right and blow your account when your wrong.

so this is just my 2 Cents guys, hope i could help you Little bit

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I once asked for a Futexlive free trial and saw that there were many valuable videos (interviews, learning modules, analysis,...)

I have asked the videos to Dan Goldberg and he told me they are no longer available

Did anyone downloaded those files?

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Sure it's still on YouTube:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfsVzLcGU-y85TIf__avRsg[/yt]

Dan Goldberg left Futex and started on his own

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Lucky at least you did the full course, I only got half, still waiting to hear back from credit card company for partial refund. I loved it because of the structured training, covering various topics and different situations and contexts.

What is your source for the belief that Marex bought them out? Last I heard the administrator could not find a buyer.

Apologies, I wasn't clear. Marex bought out Easyscreen/Neon trading platform/DOM and took it in house.

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Hey is there any update on this thread? I'm new to DOM trading. What would the best trading course to get these days?

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Hey is there any update on this thread? I'm new to DOM trading. What would the best trading course to get these days?

Futex are no longer about. See this thread:


Personally if you are new to DOM trading I would just start with the John Gray, No BS Day trading Basic course:
Basic Course
He also has a vendor thread here:


The course is only $85 and as well as a good selection of videos there is an .pdf ebook detailing all the setups and information he talks about. Much easier than making your own notes from videos. He trades US Interest Rates products and sometimes the ES, but the basic orderflow knowledge he provides are good foundations for any product IMO. He also has some good webinar recordings that he did for this site and can be found on his website too.

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Futex are no longer about. See this thread:


Personally if you are new to DOM trading I would just start with the John Gray, No BS Day trading Basic course:
Basic Course
He also has a vendor thread here:


The course is only $85 and as well as a good selection of videos there is an .pdf ebook detailing all the setups and information he talks about. Much easier than making your own notes from videos. He trades US Interest Rates products and sometimes the ES, but the basic orderflow knowledge he provides are good foundations for any product IMO. He also has some good webinar recordings that he did for this site and can be found on his website too.

Is the basic course enough or do I have to buy his Intermediate course too?

Also, what about Guy Bowerís trading courses and Jingsaw? Are they better course?

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Is the basic course enough or do I have to buy his Intermediate course too?

Also, what about Guy Bower’s trading courses and Jingsaw? Are they better course?

In my opinion the basic course is pretty comprehensive and certainly provides a very good grounding and more than enough to get started watching the DOMs with a whole selection of things to be watching for and an understanding of what is happening. The intermediate course, when I bought it quite a while ago, was just another handful of videos with more examples of the basic course. The Basic course covers what he does. I bought the intermediate course because I was intending to do a two week live trading webinar so that second course price was knocked off the webinar anyway.

I have never taken or looked at the Guy Bower course.

The Jigsaw or Axia course I haven't taken either. There is a thread here for that too but if I recall it doesn't have much feedback yet. I have though watched some Axia videos from their utube channel, and the last webinar on this site a few days ago was by them too. Very impressive videos but they tend to show their traders using huge size with a lot of scaling in and out to make tens or even a few hundred thousand by the end of the video.
In the recent webinar there was a question form a viewer about how to trade in a similar style as a retail trader with a small account. The presenter Richard Bailey spoke about what to do if you could only trade ten lots. That is still a lot more than most retail traders are going to be able to do. I would want to hear from people who had done that course that the information they give would still be valid for whatever account size I am going to be starting with. (John Grady on the other hand recommends starting with a one lot because he advocates an all in all out style while feeling out the order flow on the slower Treasury markets).

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In my opinion the basic course is pretty comprehensive and certainly provides a very good grounding and more than enough to get started watching the DOMs with a whole selection of things to be watching for and an understanding of what is happening. The intermediate course, when I bought it quite a while ago, was just another handful of videos with more examples of the basic course. The Basic course covers what he does. I bought the intermediate course because I was intending to do a two week live trading webinar so that second course price was knocked off the webinar anyway.

I have never taken or looked at the Guy Bower course.

The Jigsaw or Axia course I haven't taken either. There is a thread here for that too but if I recall it doesn't have much feedback yet. I have though watched some Axia videos from their utube channel, and the last webinar on this site a few days ago was by them too. Very impressive videos but they tend to show their traders using huge size with a lot of scaling in and out to make tens or even a few hundred thousand by the end of the video.
In the recent webinar there was a question form a viewer about how to trade in a similar style as a retail trader with a small account. The presenter Richard Bailey spoke about what to do if you could only trade ten lots. That is still a lot more than most retail traders are going to be able to do. I would want to hear from people who had done that course that the information they give would still be valid for whatever account size I am going to be starting with. (John Grady on the other hand recommends starting with a one lot because he advocates an all in all out style while feeling out the order flow on the slower Treasury markets).

Thank you so much for the details. It looks like everybody recommends NoBSDay Trading. Iím probably going to purchase the basic course and see how it goes. As you said, the intermediate course is just more examples from the basic course. Would you say itís better to get the webinar instead of intermediate course? The webinar is a little pricey, Iím afraid I am not able to afford - so i hope I can master everything by just watching the basic course. Is that doable?

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Brannigan said this:

"We have 2 courses to be launched in late Aug/Early Sep. One is on market profiling as a tool to develop context. And the other will be price action course. Both will be very practical /application based so we can teach you the principle and then you practice practice practice and perfect!

The Fee is not yet decided. But follow me on twittter and I will update everyone at some point in future."

You can follow Brannigan on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/bjb_FutexLive

Before getting this email from Brannigan I signed up for Guy Bower's (former trainer for Propex) course which includes PL training. PM me for the link.

Do you have any review on Guy Bower course and AXIA futures course?

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Do you have any review on Guy Bower course and AXIA futures course?

I never finished Bower's course as I got sidetracked by other things and also came to realize that scalping and short-term daytrading was not for me. I started looking at nothing lower than a 15-minute timeframe chart. Unfortunately that didn't help me avoid the psychology issues that inevitably come up in trading. They just weren't as severe.

AXIA got their act together really late and by the time their course on the DOM came out I was already working on automated trading and no longer had any interest in them.

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Iím probably going to purchase the basic course and see how it goes. As you said, the intermediate course is just more examples from the basic course. Would you say itís better to get the webinar instead of intermediate course? The webinar is a little pricey, Iím afraid I am not able to afford - so i hope I can master everything by just watching the basic course. Is that doable?

The Basic Course is his cheapest and the most useful so just stick with that (you will though need a platform with a decent DOM to be able to see orderflow clearly though, he uses Jigsaw though Sierra charts or similar can now do similar things with split volume prints. Some people prefer footprint charts but he only discusses the DOM as that is what he trained on and uses). I think the course is a bargain if you are interested in learning orderflow and when you go through his descriptions of what you are seeing it just makes logical sense, but would take a huge amount of time for you to work it all out for yourself from scratch. After that start looking at a decent DOM and try implementing what you have learnt and you will continue to learn which aspects make sense, stand out for you visually, and work well for you. (Or you might decide it isn't a style of trading that in practice really suits you after all).

Looking at my videos the intermediate course only contained an extra two, with seven extra trades shown (from his website , which sounds about right). Personally I wouldn't bother with it as it only shows extra examples of what is shown in the first videos or written in the ebook from the starter course. Like I say, I only bought it because I was going for a webinar anyway so the intermediate course was free/refunded back to me.

The webinars are good as you see him doing live what you have read, and each session ends with Q&A. They are expensive but they include another 17 videos of trades and introduction videos before two weeks of live trading during which he sends out every day complete recordings of the session, typed trade notes, and a session highlights video just edited down to the trades. So it does cost a lot more but is also not even be worth considering in my opinion unless you had gone through the basic course and spent a fair amount of time practicing that otherwise it could all be pretty overwhelming (one would also want to sign up for the webinar ideally a month or so before it starts to have time to watch all the videos).

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