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Very few people even think that "how the strategy was developed" is even important. Yet, it is critical.

Ktrader and Kevindog,

I totally agreed with the both of you. Can you provide me with some feedback on this trading system that I posted a while back?

https://futures.io/traders-hideout/37773-emini-s-p-500-strategy-performance-report-benchmark.html

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Ktrader and Kevindog,

I totally agreed with the both of you. Can you provide me with some feedback on this trading system that I posted a while back?

https://futures.io/traders-hideout/37773-emini-s-p-500-strategy-performance-report-benchmark.html

I doubt my advice would be much help to you. Back in October, you equated my trading to gambling, so I fear anything I'd say would be taken as gambling advice: https://futures.io/traders-hideout/37360-most-robust-profitable-trading-strategies-2.html#post529981

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Ktrader and Kevindog,

I totally agreed with the both of you. Can you provide me with some feedback on this trading system that I posted a while back?

https://futures.io/traders-hideout/37773-emini-s-p-500-strategy-performance-report-benchmark.html

I looked at the thread, and I can't say anything meaningful with the information provided.

You do ask about its performance compared to other strategies:

How does it compare to the goals you set up before starting development?

Do you have any form of reliable statistics telling you 5$ pr RT is a reasonable amount for market slippage and mishaps?

If it were my strategy and my testing, the performance report would have shown a loss of approx $130.000, since I use 25$ RT for slippage and mishaps on ES . (I got this number based on experience shared by @kevinkdog - I do not currently have enough statistics of my own)

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Last edited by ktrader; December 26th, 2015 at 10:46 AM. Reason: fixed loss calculation
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I looked at the thread, and I can't say anything meaningful with the information provided.

You do ask about its performance compared to other strategies:

How does it compare to the goals you set up before starting development?

Do you have any form of reliable statistics telling you 5$ pr RT is a reasonable amount for market slippage and mishaps?

If it were my strategy and my testing, the performance report would have shown a loss of approx $130.000, since I use 25$ RT for slippage and mishaps on ES . (I got this number based on experience shared by @kevinkdog - I do not currently have enough statistics of my own)

--ktrader


My number for slippage assumes market or stop orders for entry and exit. If you employ limit orders correctly, you won't have slippage for those. If all your entries were limit orders done correctly, and all stop/market orders for exit, you could reduce the slippage by 1/2.

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I looked at the thread, and I can't say anything meaningful with the information provided.

You do ask about its performance compared to other strategies:

How does it compare to the goals you set up before starting development?

Do you have any form of reliable statistics telling you 5$ pr RT is a reasonable amount for market slippage and mishaps?

If it were my strategy and my testing, the performance report would have shown a loss of approx $130.000, since I use 25$ RT for slippage and mishaps on ES . (I got this number based on experience shared by @kevinkdog - I do not currently have enough statistics of my own)

--ktrader

Ktrader, I agree that traders should use $25 RT for slippage and mishaps on ES if they are using market orders. With this strategy, I am using limit orders to enter and exit my trades; hence, I don't think that $25 RT should apply.

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I doubt my advice would be much help to you. Back in October, you equated my trading to gambling, so I fear anything I'd say would be taken as gambling advice: https://futures.io/traders-hideout/37360-most-robust-profitable-trading-strategies-2.html#post529981

Kevin,

Sorry, I must have a flare up on my foot-in-mouth disease.

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Ktrader, I agree that traders should use $25 RT for slippage and mishaps on ES if they are using market orders. With this strategy, I am using limit orders to enter and exit my trades; hence, I don't think that $25 RT should apply.

Are you using limit orders to exit your losers? What happens if the price runs away from you? Does your algo chase price down with limit orders? Also, are you assuming limit order fills on touch, or only if your limit price is exceeded?

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Are you using limit orders to exit your losers? What happens if the price runs away from you? Does your algo chase price down with limit orders? Also, are you assuming limit order fills on touch, or only if your limit price is exceeded?

Kevinkdog,

Each trade is entered with a fixed stoploss and a fixed takeprofit. You are correct, I will need to re-run the test again using when limit price is exceeded.

Lots to learn.

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Kevinkdog,

Each trade is entered with a fixed stoploss and a fixed takeprofit. You are correct, I will need to re-run the test again using when limit price is exceeded.

Lots to learn.

If you are using a fixed stoploss, that is not a limit order, that is a stop order, which is subject to slippage.

So, you need to account for stop loss slippage, too. How you do it depends on the platform.


Finally, the "limit order fill if price exceeded" switch will likely ruin your strategy. But it is real life.

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