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 JonnyBoy 
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Just go to NT control panel, you will find a tab called executions, make a screen shot and you can paint your account detail in black so nobody can see your account number. Post it here and the hole scam false apart.

If @sharmas was a vendor I would say yes go ahead and show us your end of month/end of day trading statements for proof of this strategy working. But he isn't a vendor and he is only informing people of his findings with this particular vendor in question so he doesn't have to do a damn thing. I don't think the "whole" scam has a true or "false" "hole"...

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I dont owe you anything or you to me.

If you asked me nicely, i would have more than happy done it for you.

With some one so uneducated and lacking of simple ABC of timeline, i do not have any time for you


You made reference to the method to another method which is not even close to it. Seems like you have an issue with VK or again another serious issues.

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Just go to NT control panel, you will find a tab called executions, make a screen shot and you can paint your account detail in black so nobody can see your account number. Post it here and the hole scam false apart.


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 sharmas 
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Thank you @JonnyBoy and appreciate your input.

I use VK's strategies

Proof that i pay for the services

Dear Saten Sharma,

You sent an automatic payment to VBK Kazana LLC. Here are the details:

From Amount: $462.48 NZD
To Amount: $299.00 USD
Exchange Rate: 1 NZD = 0.646515 USD
To: VBK Kazana LLC
For: KongZanaTrading Strategy Lease

And what a business i have that i pay myself for the lease of strategy . Make me laugh... Sorry had enough of this


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If @sharmas was a vendor I would say yes go ahead and show us your end of month/end of day trading statements for proof of this strategy working. But he isn't a vendor and he is only informing people of his findings with this particular vendor in question so he doesn't have to do a damn thing. I don't think the "whole" scam has a true or "false" "hole"...


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Then to waste on someone so uneducated.

I have and the forum is the evidence that i have called a spade a spade and have exposed or helped expose Scams. I have joined VK for his education and honesty and trading knowledge

VK has instilled in me the discipline and trade like a machine mentality and also how to trade with Algos.

My last reply to @Serif and i wish you nothing but blessed day and wish you the best and that you learn to trade rather than looking for holes in every thread.

Come out clean if you have any issue as people on this forum are very good and will assist you

Sharmas



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The problem is that a lot of people are falling into this scam.

The reason that you will not and cannot post the execution table is that those trade will appear as hand added and not real executions.


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The problem is that a lot of people are falling into this scam.

The reason that you will not and cannot post the execution table is that those trade will appear as hand added and not real executions.

I wouldn't normally butt into a conversation like this but you're wrong. Sharmas is not a vendor. He happens to be a nice guy.

I take trials of just about everything that is offered - I can tell you that VK is a damn good trader. Doesn't matter what indicator he uses, etc. The guy has a setup, discipline, knows how to get in and out of a trade and keep his money. Sounds easy doesn't it? Well it's not. He's also a good teacher. Anyone who thinks they can just sit in a trading room and copycat trades is in the wrong business. The guy is teaching something very useful especially for new traders. Old traders like myself need a refresher once in a while too! It's easy to lose your discipline and focus.

Anyway, just thought I would put my 2 cents in as I hate to see people demonized with no substantiating evidence.

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Thank you so much phantomtrader and for me to become a vendor i need to have success and success that is consistent as i dont think i will ever become one as i want to make few dollars a day and have enough to replace my income and do this full time

Its a dream and i always say there are few people who make the world go around with their hot air and we do need those people.....lol


And you are so right and yes i do go from room to room and for time being i have found the right room and teacher in VK and KangZana Trading room.
and VK is damn good trader and also a very humble guy.

This is his 10 day cycle.. I would love to make half of what his makes and i will be happy

Sharmas


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I wouldn't normally butt into a conversation like this but you're wrong. Sharmas is not a vendor. He happens to be a nice guy.

I take trials of just about everything that is offered - I can tell you that VK is a damn good trader. Doesn't matter what indicator he uses, etc. The guy has a setup, discipline, knows how to get in and out of a trade and keep his money. Sounds easy doesn't it? Well it's not. He's also a good teacher. Anyone who thinks they can just sit in a trading room and copycat trades is in the wrong business. The guy is teaching something very useful especially for new traders. Old traders like myself need a refresher once in a while too! It's easy to lose your discipline and focus.

Anyway, just thought I would put my 2 cents in as I hate to see people demonized with no substantiating evidence.


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VK has to give Emmett Moore from Trading Schools.Org - Live Trading Rooms, Trading Software, Trading Mentors, Brokers a call and apply for the ´´The Robot´´ to track his trades.
I bet he or you will give an excuse, you can´t fool ´´The Robot´´.

VK doesn't have to do anything. If you don't like his trading style, then don't join his group.
But don't accuse people of being dishonest or running a scam without evidence.

I think your response is typical of people who think "If I can't do it, neither can anyone else".
I've been in this business a long time. The guy is a good trader. He likes to teach.
There are many ways to skin a cat - his is one way. I use MP, Jigsaw and John Grady.

The point here is it's wrong to accuse someone of a scam without hard evidence. Please refrain from doing that.

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There may be no point in jumping into this controversy, but I'll just add a thought or two and then bow out.

First, I have no idea whether vk is legit or not, and it isn't anything I'm going to spend time on. There are many, many vendors out there. Some are fair to good, some are lousy, some are fakes. Maybe some are even very good. I am not looking for help there, and don't care one way or another.

Second, this is a vendor review thread. So, anyone with an opinion would contribute more if they had actually tried the vendor's product, and had good or bad things to say based on real experience. No experience = no value. I apologize if any of the critics do have real experience that I missed, but I wouldn't want to use someone's opinion that didn't have something in their own experience to back it up.

Third, I do agree with the general idea that most vendors are worthless, so I do think it is right to have a very high level of skepticism about all claims. It is also perfectly good to challenge any claims, in the sense of asking for actual validation. "Validation" could, for me, include that someone who is known on the forum has used it successfully. This comes back to the experience question. I would also say that the perfectly reasonable attitude of skepticism needs to be governed by the limit of someone's actual experience. So just saying that something is definitely a "scam," just on the general principle that all vendors are unreliable, is going further than the person's actual knowledge.

(Also, "scam" is about being deliberately crooked. That is not the same as not having something that is not really valuable. One is similar to an accusation of a crime; the other is simply the -- usually correct -- observation that they don't know anything. There is a big difference.)

Fourth -- and I'm finally getting to my point -- personal stuff about known forum members is not useful, period. Unless you really know something about them, and then you should PM @Big Mike and let him handle it. If someone is a shill for a vendor, then, according to the rules, they should be banned. Mike does that when necessary. So if anyone thinks this is the case, Mike should be informed. He will want some evidence, however.

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Now, as to cases, @sharmas has been around here for a while and has not been credibly shown to be a shill for this vendor, or any other I am aware of. He does post in a journal, and explains the trades, and lately they seem to be based on this guy's "system." I would take his charts and explanations as showing that he is using it. I am not going to trouble myself about whether I should use it, but who cares about that? And who cares about whether anyone else should?

It is not helpful to be slamming people whose only fault may be that they believe in a vendor's product that you may not, for good reasons or bad. This is a vendor review thread, so it has people's opinions of vendors in it. If there is no reason to think that someone with a positive comment or review is lying, it is wrong to assert that they are. And any such assertion, like the assertion of "scamming," is an assertion of wrongdoing that needs to have evidence.

We should be civil here. There are bad people and bad vendors. So what? Attacks without evidence are not justified.

I'll bow out now. Whether this vendor is any good is not my fight. But civility in the forum is.

Bob.

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Second, this is a vendor review thread. So, anyone with an opinion would contribute more if they had actually tried the vendor's product, and had good or bad things to say based on real experience. No experience = no value. I apologize if any of the critics do have real experience that I missed, but I wouldn't want to use someone's opinion that didn't have something in their own experience to back it up.

Third, I do agree with the general idea that most vendors are worthless, so I do think it is right to have a very high level of skepticism about all claims. It is also perfectly good to challenge any claims, in the sense of asking for actual validation. "Validation" could, for me, include that someone who is known on the forum has used it successfully. This comes back to the experience question. I would also say that the perfectly reasonable attitude of skepticism needs to be governed by the limit of someone's actual experience. So just saying that something is definitely a "scam," just on the general principle that all vendors are unreliable, is going further than the person's actual knowledge.

(Also, "scam" is about being deliberately crooked. That is not the same as not having something that is not really valuable. One is similar to an accusation of a crime; the other is simply the -- usually correct -- observation that they don't know anything. There is a big difference.)

I don't have any comments or experience about this specific vendors either. I agree with all Bob said, I just wanted to qualify the part of his comments I quoted above.

It is absolutely true that Vendor review threads should be based on actual, personal experience of those vendors, with one notable exception: when you come across a website and you uncover blatant or veiled attempts to either 1) mislead people 2) scam them by being deliberately crooked or 3) simply making claims that are not substantiated by facts in order to sell something (one could say this is a subset or a finer qualification of point 1).

If I come across those cases I tend to make it my duty to point out the incongruencies and I believe it should be everyone's duty to do so too.

Once, when I was very young and inexperienced I was scammed. The scam worth was the equivalent of a couple of hundred dollars so nothing huge, but it instilled in me a sense that the more inexperienced people, until they build a sensitivity for it, can easily fall prey to these scams. Pointing those out can make a real difference in people's lives.

One such example of websites intentionally misleading people is recorded in this thread.

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